Extraordinary Creativity

[munirao2001]

All artists are creative persons. But few are extraordinary in creativity. These E.C.gifted persons works of excellence are naturally, extraordinary. Shall we discuss, the E.C.Great Maestros and what traits in them make them achieve and contribute? Any commonality ? What are the unique traits and uncommon ?
First, let us study and discuss the very young and becoming great achievers. Very young, in the age below 10 and 10.
Second, let us study and discuss the young and becoming great achievers. Young, in the age group of 11 to 20.
Third, let us study and discuss adults and becoming great achievers. Adults, in the age group of Above 21 to 35.

Let us start with the first. Dr.BMK;Dr.SB;Chitraveena Ravikiran;Sashank;Mandolin Srinivas;Veena E.Gayathri/Ganesh and Kumaresh/Pl add other Great Maestros

Psychology has identified four critical factors. 1.Genes. 2. Environment. 3. Political background. 4. Right place, Right time.

Let us engage in creative insights and discussion.

munirao2001

[kvchellappa]

MS gave pure music that was creative beyond the limits of intellect and she started early. If the criterion is composing etc., I do not know, but not to find her name among the child prodigies that gave such music is really odd. SSI also was a child prodigy as he himself claimed in lighter vein in his interview with Ravikiran. He also did not compose, but his creativity in music has been praised by many.

[vasanthakokilam]

We can take the following route to get a glimpse of how their minds work. Come up with relatable examples ( narratives, anecdotes, stories ) of how creative people go about an issue compared to the more analytical people in the general population. Since no one lives in some one else's mind, it is really hard to know for others what the differences in internal processes are. Only way to approximate that is to narrate stories and anecdotes from different perspectives. We do not need any definitive theories or models but just some examples of the vast differences in how an AP and a CP look at a situation.

We need at least five perspectives.

1) An analytical person's anecdotes of an interaction with a creative person and their perception of the difference. I am hoping to hear some astounding examples
2) How a creative person describes another creative person's approach and thinking
3) How a creative person describe their own approach
4) A creative person's views on the difference of their approach compared to what they see in the general population (as perceived by them)
and finally
5) Someone who is middle of the road who has inclinations on both the creative side and analytical side and what they see how a creative person's mind works

You can guess which part of the spectrum I am in just based on the structure of this post

[arasi]

Well, you are definitely 5 in my 2--
And, is your guess mostly based on 3 ??

Having said that, there is no question at all about your analytic capabilities

[vasanthakokilam]

Arasi, you are catching my drift. In fact, if enough creative and analytic people respond, that will help each of us position ourselves in that spectrum. You are definitely on the creative side of it and so you can write about 2, 3 and 4

[munirao2001]

kvchellappa Sir

I have mentioned only few EC.Great Maestros, in the first age group. It is right to include all the other E.C.Great Maestros in this age group. After we reach of the list of E.C.Great Maestros, with knowledge and experience about each one of the E.C.Great Maestros share for our own benefit and rasikas benefit. The knowledge leading to the best understanding and appreciation. Let the discussion be unconditional to share the knowledge. At the end we can decide and arrive at the common and uncommon aspects making them E.C.Great Maestros.
Let us start listing out E.C.Great Maestros in the first age group of 10 and below 10.

munirao2001

[vgovindan]

Creativity, IMHO, is intuitive. Transcending existing rules is 'creativity' and not 'playing by the rules'. To think within the confines of the existing rules is at best 'excellence' - an analytical and persevering brain.

Ramanujan - the great mathematician who could conceive of mathematical problems beyond the then existing knowledge base, is an example of true creativity.

From atoms to elements is creativity; from elements to compounds is creativity; from compounds to life is creativity; cellular organisation of life is creativity; evolution of self awareness is creativity.

From a monotony to three svaras is creativity; from three svaras to five svaras is creativity; from five svaras to seven svaras is creativity; from seven svaras to 12 svaras is creativity. Visualising 72 mELakarta scheme is creativity. Transcending that is creativity. Truly speaking these are also 'discoveries' and 'inventions' and not 'creativity'.

People who are creative 'look' fools to the to the contemporaneous society.

There is no yardstick by which you measure 'creativity'. A creative mind is its own yardstick. An analytical approach to 'creativity' is a futile exercise, because if creativity could be analytically dissected, then it is no creativity.

The universe is an unsolved puzzle - and it will remain so for ever - that is creativity.

[VK RAMAN]

Well said vgovindan

[munirao2001]

Let us proceed further with the meaning of creativity as 'the use of imagination or original ideas to create something; inventiveness and synonyms:inventiveness, imagination, imaginativeness, innovation, innovativeness, originality, individuality"
At the appropriate stage, I shall go into creativity details. Please notify the names of E.C.Creative Great Maestros/Maestros in the age group of 10 and below 10. We should not miss out to discuss on any E.C.Creative G.M.& M.
I can assure you this discussion and collective information will be highly informative and also enlightening.

munirao2001

[bhanumathisundaram]

I am surprised thatFlute Mali doesn't comes to ones mind when one thinks of a child prodigy with extraordinary creativity.He is one who remainedmost enchanting in addition

[cacm]

ALMOST ALL THE GREAT ARTISTS OF THE "GOLDEN AGE"(AS DEFINED BY LGJ)WERE PRODIGIES & GENIUSES EXCEPT MOST PERSONS DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT! TODAY). I FEEL THESE ADJECTIVES HAVE UNDERGONE THE RAVAGES OF " MAY BE BECAUSE INFLATIONARY UNIVERSE & BIG BANG" A CERTAIN LOOSENESS IN APPLYING THESE ADJECTIVES! VKV :-@

[munirao2001]

To understand the E.C.Children in any age, shall we discuss few characteristics and essentials? Later we can find what characteristics and essentials played their part.

Well established characteristics in creativity in children are 1. Desire; 2.Drive to explore; 3. to find; 4. to try; 5. to experiment; 6. to handle and see, differently; 7. enjoy; 8.sense of freedom.

Essentials for natural creativity in children, being in flow are 1. knowledge what they are excited about; 2. quick mastery of skills in any chosen activity;3. their realization of special intelligence of an activity;4. voluntary collaboration; 5.parental discovery of inherent talent and support.

What are the conditions to suppress, at worse kill the natural creativity in children? They are 1. surveillance; 2.continuous evaluation; 3.competition; 4.excessive control;5. pressure;6.scheduling; 7. close-end time;8.stress;9.unattended, frequent conditions of ill health.

Let us begin the discussion on T.R.Mahalingam; Veena S.Balachandar; Balamurali Krishna

munirao2001

[munirao2001]

Vedanta teaches on action and creative action. Tamas- thought, thinking emanating from 'aham' or particular individuation sense as personal conscious. The actions are in accord with the past conditioning, part genetic local memory. Rajas- thought, thinking arising out of collective unconscious, related to situational creativity. Sattva-thought or thinking resulting in awakening, unconscious state. These are broadly described and known as gunas, vasavanas and sanskara. Bodies are both sthoola, physical and matter and sookshma, gross and subtle.
What is the spectrum of a creative person? Spectrum consists of 1.Environment, easily discernible. 2. Genetics, again discernible to greater extent. 3.Uncommon talent and ability of synchronicity, crystallizing- states of mind making match between a development in process or progress and a special field of endeavor. 4. Unconscious urges, drives with sub conscious images, forms and meanings. 5. Unconscious, I prefer it as supra conscious, striking or revelation, non local memory but already developed propensities triggered or which can be triggered subconscious, being learned propensities of the sukshma sarira or subtle body.

Now, let us exchange of information on E.C.Great Maestro TRM, to start with. Information exchange in relation to the known and yet to be known cause and effect on creativity is desired to keep the focus. Let us keep out the tendencies of idolatry and hagiography and its likes

munirao2001

[venkatakailasam]

2 yr old identifies ragas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2fBjXN66JE

prachotan identifing ragas at the age of 3years

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju_FYQFkFOA

Balamuralikrishna garu testing prachotan talent on identifiying ragas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AreeOyBGMI

prachotan at the age of 3 years identifying carnatic music ragas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAG9obBRb_o


May I know as to what creativity in the above..?

child prodigy is purely gift of God......It is just power to absorb and conceive what is taught..
Tend to agree with Shri Govidan..

Ability to innovate some new thing is creativity...

[Nick H]

May I know as to what creativity in the above..?

I don't think it is. "It is just power to absorb and conceive what is taught.."

I think such abilities, such affinity with music and such ability to remember, at such ages is remarkable and amazing, and a wonderful foundation for a lifetime of music, but it is not creativity. The singer delivers the song, with memory and musical skill, but the composer and the lyricist are the creators.

Of course, those who start young may well go on to be great musicians, and may well go on to be exceptionally creative.

exceptional creativity, in Carnatic music, is a tough one, because every musician must be creative. Could it even be said that the baseline for a top performer, even an accompanist (and sometimes I think especially an accompanist) is exceptional creativity?

[cacm]

Nick, THE LAST WORD ABOUT CREATIVITY HAS BEEN SAID BY ARTHUR Koelster as well a Malcolm Gladwell in "outliers".....VKV

[munirao2001]

venkatakailasam

This act of identity is a cognitive skill, a part of the trained mind with memory establishing the relationship and expression, a natural state of high networking and local memorization superior skill. This skill has been exhibited by many a children, taking the training of the mind.

munirao2001

[munirao2001]

VKVSir
While 'outlier' is no doubt most significant work of knowledge, with humans evolving in higher intelligence and scientific research and studies, there can never be a last word e.g.quantum physics now seriously engaged with aspects with origin in metaphysical speculation and its progress with opening up new frontiers of knowledge, both theoretical and practical.

Sir, I desire that this discussion has to be with extraordinary interest and seriousness, with participation by you, mahavishnu, ramasubramanian.m.k and many others who have the benefit of higher knowledge in the brain-mind-consciousness-intelligence-creativity. I desire that the emerging knowledge taking the benefit of the successful trainers and practitioners, improves the teaching systems and practices, both oral and academic and higher number of students of carnatic music stand to gain and become extraordinarily creative. Discussion starting with the study of E.C. Great Maestros in the past and the present is likely result in theoretical and practical knowledge, scientifically establishing the truth.

munirao2001

[cacm]

Creativity, what it is can be understood without Quantum Mechanics & is a subject that has been studied for a long time & the relationship to the brain has been studied a lot too.....Incidentally my professional field is Theoretical Physics with Quantum Mechanics being at the level of learning "Saralivarisai"......VKV No time or energy to get involved in this Forum n this subject myself

[venkatakailasam]

Recently, I read an Obituary message by Khaanthan Balakrishna Sastri...( mouli

I quote " RECOLLECTION ABOUT YOUNG BOY U.SRINIVAS:
i had an experience with the genius when he was 10 or 12 at the Hyderabad airport in the mid 80s..we checked in and were waiting for the boarding call..
Already famous every one could identify the prodigy kid..
Unmindful of the celebrity status he was running from one corner to another following fights taking off and landing...while exchanging pleasantries with his father..he came, little confused, asked hid dad why Bangalore flight and Delhi flight taking off in the same direction..when they are in different directions..
i answered him in Telugu about the wind pressure that decides the direction of the take off..which i don't think he understood , He with his divinely smile said ' alaga' ( appadiya)..& went back to watch one more take off..."

That curiosity is one that produces creativity....

Both Bill gates and Steve Hopes are school drop outs...They had such curiosity in them and with other ingredients .....attitude, perseverance and hard work they became great...

[msakella]

Yes sir, attitude, perseverance and hard work only take any person to unimaginable heights. amsharma

[arasi]

VKailasam,

That 'AlAgA?' itself is a one word poem!