Sanjay on Sethalapathi Balasubramanian day, 2014

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sureshvv
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Sanjay on Sethalapathi Balasubramanian day, 2014

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Sanjay gifted a profoundly moving performance for Sethalapathi Balasubramanian day at Raga Sudha hall. The concert was slated to start at 6.15pm and by 6pm was already full with people stuck in the doorway unable to move in or out. Fortunately Smt. Jaya Balakrishnan opened up the stage for seating and I was able to secure a seat close to but behind the artistes. The energy exuding from the stage was palpable - it was a whole lot hotter and you could see the beads of perspiration on the artistes, except for the cool Tanjore Ramdas on mrdangam. The setting was like the living room of a small house and the barrier between the stage and the audience dissolved. By 6.15pm the senior citizens in the hall were sitting like little children waiting to watch the magician draw the rabbit out of the hat. And a lot of young people sitting on the floor on stage were appearing like seasoned connoisseurs, straight back and poised to keep time.

Sanjay started with the Sarasuda varnam. There were some variations in the mukthayi swaras and you could tell that he came with the intention to convey the singing style of Sethlapathy Balu, which to me seems to be about singing in the moment - losing oneself to the music without losing the music itself.

Raga alapana with emphasis on weaving of sangatis was the theme for the first part of the evening. The ragas chosen for the day were Janaranjani, Harikambodhi, Todi & Mohanam. All were presented with torrents of sangatis and incredible variation in succession. Varadarajan on the violin kept up as only he could but occasionally was content to let Sanjay make the forays that only he could by himself. All the alapanas had the abundance of energy that one had come to expect from Sanjay over the years. The harikambodhi had extended sangatis revolving around the tara sthayee ma and pa. Sanjay showed his voice who was boss :-) Todi had a few captivating scalar sangatis which shone like an intricately cut gopaldas diamond :-) The trailing end of Mohanam had Bhoop like flourishes which exposed its whole another dimension. The kritis sung were nadadina mata, enadhu manam, tanigai valar and Narayana enum divya namam. Personally I would have preferred a brighter kamala pada instead of enadhu manam.

The "thembu" thani was special and it sounded fantastic from my close vantage. There were lot of variations in patterns and even the basic sounds were very distinct and different. It was very well received by the audience and the numbers did not thin out as they do usually.

Tanjore Ramdas spoke after the thani about Sethlapathy Balu and his personal association with him. It was a very moving tribute laced with humor bringing a smile to the lips and tears to the eye at the same time and I have borrowed some of his descriptions in this recap. Mannargudi Easwaran sir, who walked into the hall and sat beside the artistes sometime during the middle of the concert, spoke briefly and mentioned that the way to listen to Sethalapthy Balu was live and how on many occasions people forgot to applaud and were busy wiping away their tears at the end of a song. Sanjay spoke about the inspiration Sethalapthy Balu was and how his passion for singing viruttams came about with the Margazhi bhajanais.

The post thani session featured several slokas and viruttams. Shall continue after I gather my thoughts.

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The post thani session included several slokas and viruttams. Lilting ragas such as Maand, Behag, Kapi and Sindu Bhairavi were presented. Among those were Jaanati Rama (Sanjay quipped that "avar samskrutathuliyum paaduvaar") , Ramanai bhajithal. oorilen kani illai, Manathirku ugandadhu, an emphatic Brindavanam Idhuvo and Karpagamey.

For those of us who mourn the passing of the "good old days", this was a bright reminder that the good old days are right here. Goodness begets goodness and it flowed in plenty making it an evening to remember.

PS: Big thanks to Sri Venkatakailasam whose uploaded youtube videos in Sethlapathy Balsubramanian thread provided context for the evening.

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Nice musical tribute by Sanjay for Sethalapathy Balasubramanian. Some of Balu mama's classics that I heard live - Ganapathye Karunanidhiye, Saraswathi Annaye, Paramukam Enayya, Sendhil Andavan (Karaharapriya), Tanigai Valar (thodi), Enadhu Manam (Harikamboji), Andavane (Shanmukapriya), etc. and many other rare krithis and also many sanskrit krithis of Papanasam Sivan and other Suddhananda bharathi krithis. I have heard Sri Vatapi Ganapathiye (Sahana) from Balu mama first, before it was popularized by Maharajapuram Santhanam, same with Nambikettavar Evarayya (Hindolam). Of course, he used to sing viruttams with a lot of verve and emotion.

Balu mama's uncle Mani S. S. Mani Bagavathar (who was also a disciple of Papanasam Sivan) has sung in movies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ7UwXAe2Io

arasi
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Suresh and Annamalai,

Thank you for bringing the spirit and the mood of the concert to us.

One of a kind concert it surely was. Knowing Sanjay's admiration for Sethalapathy mama, and his singing some of what he used to sing in his concerts, no wonder the concert was a spirited one (Sanjay's blog has another piece of writing on him).

Besides you two, I heard from Chennai that the Sangeetha Kalanidhi designate was there too, and with standing room only in the hall (not even that), he was given a seat in the sound room where Sethalapathy's sons were sitting, and yes, you guessed it--the two young men listened to the rest of the concert standing!

Suresh,
Yes, having heard Sanjay sing brundAvanam iduvO? I was happy too to hear Sethalapathy sing it in VKailasam's link. I thank him too.

MAE while sitting on the stage, was asked by Ramadas if he wanted to play for a song or two, it seems.
A unique concert, indeed!

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Thanks to Suresh for that hearty review. What with an automatic email from Sanjaysub describing his association with this Balu mama whom I had never heard of before hearing about this concert, listening to the music of Balu mama and Sanjay singing some of these songs, talking with a member of the audience, I almost actually felt the mood of celebration. I wish I had actually been there.

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What a beautiful review! Thank you so much sureshvv. A classic Sanjay Sir list of songs. In recent years we have identified more with Sanjay sir and these songs than who he himself was inspired by. That shows the greatness of both the artistes. A friend told me that he did some different type of kuraippu in the swarms of Mohanam. Would be great if someone can elaborate what he actually did.

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IIRC, Sanjay sang Neeye Charan Shanmuka (Kamboji) in his first tour of US along with RKS and KAP. I had heard Sethalapathy Balasubramanian sing this Kamboji krithi in Divyanama bhajans in the vicinity of Tiruvarur. I was totally surprised to hear this krithi in the US, from the villages of Tanjore district, in the days before sangeethapriya or youtube. Whereas the Kana Kan Koti Vendum is almost main piece, this kamboji krithi is a lively piece and a nice varna mettu that Sanjay sang very well between two main pieces (Ennamum Sandheha Padalamo) Keeravani and RTP Varali (Ambikai Jagadambikai Saptha swarangalil Varalidho, ... ).

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Annamalai sir... Thank you for reminding me. Ganapathiye Karunanidhiye in Kharaharapriya was sung immediately after the varnam. Shall also take this opportunity to retract my braindead comment on the Harikamboji kriti that was presented, as it was featured for a reason #-o

Some of the other points mentioned in the speeches:

1. Tanjore Ramdas (TR) mentioned that he and Sethlapathy Balu (SB) were from neighboring villages in Tanjore district and knew each well before even before moving to Chennai. They also lived in the same house on Baroda Street in those days.

2. TR also compared Sanjay's singing with the Gopaldas diamond from the Tanjore days.

3. TR mentioned that one needs "thembu" to accompany such artistes. It comes easily when you are in your 40s but can be considerably harder as one gets older. He started to segue into a story but stopped himself short and promised to narrate it on another occasion.

4. TR introduced Mannargudi Easwaran sir as a Lion that was seated on stage next to them.

5. Sanjay mentioned that his first thought when requested to sing for the occasion was to ask for Tanjore Ramdas to accompany. There was no question of not singing, as he felt it was his duty since he saw SB in guru sthanam.

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Re: Sanjay on Sethalapathi Balasubramanian day, 2014

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Suresh,
Reading your account and hearing from a friend who was there amply described the mood that prevailed in Raga Sudha hall that evening. Got a sample of it today.

On his blog, Sanjay has posted the kApi virutham, Varadarajan's melodious reply and the song which followed. Those eight minutes are simply charged with the emotion of the occasion.
'oru pAnai sORRukku oru sORu padam' (a single grain of rice is proof enough for a pot of rice).

Enough to let us know what a memorable concert we missed!
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mahavishnu
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Sanjay's viruttam from that day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOZwfTYLyGw#t=78
It is amazing how he has internalized Sri Balu avl's style, including the hand gestures :) There is such a perfect instance of this in the sangati about 1:02 into the video.

I consider myself very fortunate to have received several benedictions of this kind from Sethalapathy avl, at just about every event in my family going back to early 70s, when his two sons and I (no more than 5 yrs old each) used to accompany him by providing percussion support on the back of old Bournvita tins.

Sethalapathy Balu was a very special person in the history of modern CM and the music of P. Sivan and bhakti viruttams in particular. I am especially moved by Sanjay's devotion to him and this event that was held in his memory to such a respectful and loving audience is testimony to that.

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Internalising the music of the great masters is the biggest challenge for aspiring young musicians like me. That is why Sanjay sir is such a great inspiration and role model for so many of us. That Kapi is so fantastic!!

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The Kafi krithi was also interesting; since most rasikas know about the other Sivan krithis in Kafi raga - Enna Thavam Seidhanai, Sodhanai Sumaikku ( DKJ used to sing), Radha Mukha Kamala ( GNB's masterpiece); this krithi Jagadeesan Anbar is a beautiful krithi and almost forgotten.

Here is a superb rendition by Padma Varadhan of the same krithi voice and veena.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE9lKCEpI1A

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annamalai wrote:The Kafi krithi was also interesting; since most rasikas know about the other Sivan krithis in Kafi raga
kAfi?? or kApi?

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Hindustani काफि (kafi)
Carnatic காபி

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kvchellappa wrote:Hindustani काफि (kafi)
Carnatic காபி
I will let the experts chime in, but as I understand it, kAfi in the hindustAni system and carnatic kApi cannot be used interchangeably.
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The kafi That is equivalent to karaharapriya mela. The couple of kafi raga renditions I heard does not sound similar to CM karaharapriya or kApi.
But then there is this mishra kAfi which does sound like CM kApi in places ( and also in some places like kAnaDa). E.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVeU1EQp1sQ

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Here is a good description of the differences (to follow up on VK's post): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KLfzWjhGXE

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IIRC, a few years back, there was a music academy morning lecdem on this topic - Kafi, karnataka Kapi (venkatachalapathe athi vegame vandhu), kaanada and others. Karnataka Kapi is rarely sung in concerts now. Perhaps, as a nomenclature, we can propose filter "coffee" with mild chicory ( even there are also variations Kumbakonam filter coffee, Kalmane coffee from mysore, ...) as the raga name for the commonly sung tune of Intha Sowkya.
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What is Hindustani kapi then? The popular Kapi or pilu?

I haven't heard it sung, but there is a Papanasam Sivan kruti about dIpAvali, published in an old dIpAvali malar. Has anyone sung it at all? Perhaps the Sivan family has.

Lakshman,
The lyrics were posted (third we know of his dIpAvali special compositions now, besides the madhyamAvathi one). Pasupathy has posted it in the Literature forum (tamizh). Nostalgia thread...

Back then, was today's kApi called that, being a newcomer? I have no idea...

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To my knowledge hindustan kapi is the one which we hear today through the compositions like intha sowkya, meevalla gunadosha, jagadodharana etc. Karnataka kapi or kapi mentioned in old treatises is almost extinct today. It s an upanga rag, janya of mela sri or Karaharapriya, having the shades of Kaanada and Darbar. All the Sri Thyagaraja swamy compositions were said to be composed only in this kapi.

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Sri Dikshithar's Venkatachalapathe is in this ragam (upanga kapi)

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Sumasayaka varnam is also in karnataka kapi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLExu5EYsMQ

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sureshvv, I think Sumasayaka is also in the modern Kafi raga only. Karanataka kapi is a confusing topic. There are two krithis as far as I know - Venkatachalapathe of Dikhitar and Akilandeswari Durusuga of Syama Sastri; and they both have differences. This goes into raga lakshna discussion that was at Music Academy, when all the panelists mentioned my Guru taught me only this patantharam ; and questions on the dubrar krithi Nithyaroopa, so on and finally, I do recall there was no conclusion. However, I would recommend this Kafi to clear the headache. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE9lKCEpI1A

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Annamalai, see if what Sri. Rama Varma says in that youtube link Mahavishnu provided above is consistent with what your understanding is.

If we go with that, then at least we have a clear distinction.

Karnataka kApi is strictly a janya of Karaharapriya.
Hindusthani kApi = Karnataka kApi + elements of pilU

By current usage, by default, kApi refers to Hindusthani kApi.
So to refer to the non pilU mixed kApi, use karnAtaka kApi

That sounds like it is buttoned up well.

Based on what Varma says and sings, Sumasayaka is indeed karnataka kapi and what Amritha Venkatesh sings sounds similar to how Varma defines it initially. So by that account, the rendition of Sumasayaka is Karnataka kApi

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Are there only two Kapi's? Or, are there three?

Karnataka Kapi has Kaanada-ish phrases in it. There is actually a swarajathi in this raga composed by some Mysore composer. That may give us a clue as to its characteristics.

Kapi as it used to be sung by Carnatic musicians is an upanga raga.

Hindusthani Kapi is Piloo renamed in Carnaic tradition. Jagadoddharana used to be identified as Hindusthani Kapi.

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My intent with my post was to clarify that whether it is karnAtaka, or not, the Carnatic rAgas under discussion here should be written with a 'p' - and not 'f'. These letters are not interchangeable in this context, IMO, and kAfi is in no way related to the rAgas under discussion here from what I understand - and using 'f' instead of 'p' I think only adds to the confusion.

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I have just downloaded and listened to this fantastic concert! It can be downloaded from the link below. Special thanks to Sanjay Sir who is doing this great service.

https://gum.co/CXEYA

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rshankar wrote:kAfi is in no way related to the rAgas under discussion here from what I understand
Ravi, while I also agree that we should term the CM raga as kApi and not kAfi but a certain strain of kAfi seems to be very much related to kApi.

For example, listen to these Tappa songs in kAfi by Ms. Aarti Nayak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a13xxt76zeE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39dd-pNExW4

(Quite a bit of fun to listen to, so worth listening on their own merit)

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nam ke bare me kafi charcha ho raha hai.

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