Established mainstream artists don't sing popular kruthis

[harimau]

Please, please, please, by all means let them sing krithis in Bindumalini, Vedaghoshini, Thatillathika, etc.

Do we want to listen to anybody else's rendering of Thaye Yasodha after listening to Madurai Mani Iyer's version? Could we tolerate it? [-x

Today's artists seem to know their limitations. Let us not try to force them out of their comfort zone.

[munirao2001]

When posting is made discussing one of the magnum opus composition in Sahaana, Giripai of Thyagaraja with film music classic 'paarthen', it hurts, very deeply. KVN maama and Pughazhendi, involved in this composition, they were also inspired by 'Giripai' and 'Karunimpa' varnam, Sahana treatment. So were Great Maestros/Maestros/Vidwans/Vidushees of all generations, besides the rasikas. I am surprised the protests were not there from forunites to this posting.
I totally second Sri V.Govindan Sir. 'Saamajavaragamana' is also one of the beautiful composition. If Vid.Vani Jayaram, who has rendered this composition for Shankarabharanam comes to know about this statement, even she will be disturbed. She set the standards for total sruti and svarasthanams alignment much to the delight of Great Maestros, including SSI and SSRao, in her rendering. But to say, this rendition made its demise, is very ill informed and in poor taste.
SVBC is telecasting every Sunday at 10.30 a program on Thyagaraja's great compositions, with context, saahithya bhaavam, its meaning by Sataavadhani Garikepaati Narasimha Rao gaaru and sung by leading artists, including Smt.Manda Sudharani and Malladi Bros and the vaadya vrinda. Watch and listen to this program telecast and refrain from making such mistakes.

munirao2001

[annamalai]

First Samajavaraganama in Sankarabaranam movie - is a duet song, playback singers are SPB and S. Janaki.

Secondly, I was paraphrasing Sanjay comment " After the release of the Telegu film Sankarabharanam and the “aamani koyilaa” variation, the song definitely suffered and became increasingly avoided in concerts."

All rasikas, know the greatness of Samajavaragamana, I love MDR's interpretation of Samajavaragamana o45 minutes duration with neraval and swarams @ "Saptaswara Nadachala Deepa" Nowadays, most musicians sing Neerajakshi Kamakshi in Hindolam.

[nadhasudha]

When posting is made discussing one of the magnum opus composition in Sahaana, Giripai of Thyagaraja with film music classic 'paarthen', it hurts, very deeply. KVN maama and Pughazhendi, involved in this composition, they were also inspired by 'Giripai' and 'Karunimpa' varnam, Sahana treatment. So were Great Maestros/Maestros/Vidwans/Vidushees of all generations, besides the rasikas. I am surprised the protests were not there from forunites to this posting.
munirao2001

Why should there be a protest? Just because your opinion does not agree with another rasika's opinion?

[vasanthakokilam]

munirao, I will let Ponbhairavi offer any explanation if he chooses to do so, but his point is that movie songs have that quality that immediately appeals to lay audiences. My example is 'i(a)nDa vINaikku Theriyadu idai seidadu yarendru' (TV Serial Rayil Sneham by Balachandar). The tunesmith V.S. Narasimhan ( of Madras String Quartet I assume ) knows his classical Sahana to its fullest but also knows how to make such immediately attractive tunes.

That does not in any way put down the great Sahana masterpieces like Giripai. Sahana is an ocean with its incredible twists, turns and the subtleties of the gamakas offering something new every time. I do not think we need to evaluate the worthiness of classical songs in how instantly attractive it is to the lay audience.

It is possible that we are all loudly agreeing with each other.

This is not the main point of the Original Poster but it is a good diversion nonetheless.

[Pratyaksham Bala]

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Ref: Post #37

Ganga Gowri (1973) - Adi Nathan Ketkindran:-
M.S.Viswanathan; TMS & S.Janaki.
http://track.name/onply.php?q=NlNVMnNCU ... a%20Raagam

[Ponbhairavi]

Thank you very much Vasanthakokilam and P.Bala

[munirao2001]

ponbhairavi and vasanthakokilam,

No doubt ponbhairavi has his right to post/comment what he feels. But what caused me concern was "very true: pArthen sirithen in veera abhimanyu and Adhi nAdhan ketkinrAn in Ganga Gowri sound more enticing sahana than Giri pai If the comparison was between two film music or with any other light classical compositions e.g.'E Manathichevo' ( when compared with Giripai) of Thyagaraja, I would not have registered my indignation. My assumption is forunites are all discerning rasikas. If rasikas, uninitiated in Classical Carnatic Music express, I do not react but try to make them know.

munirao2001

[venkatakailasam]

parAthpara_paramEshwara-vAchaspathi-dhEshAdhi-pApanAsham_shivan..

was a very popular one which was rendered by almost all singers of yesteryear..

This is another song which was once very popular is slowly disappearing along with its raga Vachaspathi..

The new generation of singers do not find it enchanting...

Here is treat by MDR..
p-MDR 073-Samajavaragamana-Hindolam-Thyaharaja-MDR-TNK..

http://mfi.re/listen/1v2no9j5gr9r229/p- ... DR-TNK.mp3

Can we get this back again..

MSS 064-Giripai_Sahana..

http://mfi.re/listen/z0mx40nzj2h/MSS_06 ... Sahana.mp3

[hnbhagavan]

Sri Venkatakailasam,

I agree with you.Giripai - there is a version rendered by Sri MDR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGDLzWS9tu4

[venkatakailasam]

Vathapi ganapathim..Akkarai Sisters singing now...

Live at :

http://isailive.dinamalar.com/index.php?id=1039

They have given life...
Ably aided by Dr.S.Karthick(Ghatam),Ranjani Ramakrishnan(Violin ),Palghat Magesh(Mridangam)

[CRama]

I can give another set of kritis which was very popular 40-50 years back but now gone into oblivion. I am posting it so that if any vidwan happens to see this, they can render it.
Sree Raghuvara sugunalaya-Bhairavi
Neevanti deivamu-Thodi
Neevanti deivamu-Bhairavi
Pamarajanapalini-Simhendramadhyamam
Neethu charanamulegathi-do
Natajanaparipalaka - do
Parvatarajakumari-Sreeranjini
Emaninne mahima-Mukhari
Panchakshatpeedaroopini

[vasanthakokilam]

Thanks CRama for the list. Other than Neethu charanamulegathi and Emaninne mahima, I have not heard the rest. I will seek them out. Thanks.

[CRama]

Just after typing this, I am hearing Nedunuri singing Emani ne mahima in NP of music.

[satyabalu]

Just after typing this, I am hearing Nedunuri singing Emani ne mahima in NP of music.

Mukhari in all essence.

[Sivaramakrishnan]

A few more:

Saantamuleda-Saama-Tyagaraja

Smarahari paadaravindam-Saama-Swati Tirunal

Sivakaama sundari-Mukhari-Papanasam Sivan

Naagagaandhari raganuthe- Nagagandhari-Dikshitar

Aarabhimaanam vaithu aadarippar-Ragamaalika (Tamil)

Raanidi-Manirangu-T

Ranganaathude- Souraashtra- Tanajavur Ponniah Pillai

[arasi]

CRama,
Knowing you as a rasikA whose concert experience is vast and the count of krutis you are familiar with are so many, I can see at a glance that most of what you list are not in circulation at all! One exception is parvatha rajakumAri which Sanjay sang some years ago around one season.

There are thousands of songs of great composers and of minor ones which are worth listening to, but you rarely hear them. Then, what about composers like me (of modern times) who have to wait a century (!) to be heard, if at all there are songs of merit in our lists

Sivaramakrishnan,

RanganAthuDE, I haven't heard other than from M. Santhanam.
Have heard in the recent years, Neyveli singing ArabhimAnamAi, Sanjay singing Sivakama sundari (also on youtube from the other festival(?) from Subhasree and Manimaran (two years ago?) and a few other times.

As can be expected of Sanjay, a store house of krutis, SAntamu lEka in Sama and nAga gAndhAri rAganutE have been taken up by him and were sung remarkably well

[Sivaramakrishnan]

Thanks arasi for the update.
That means Smarahari (saama) and Raanidi (Manirangu) need attention.
Hope the young brigade would look into.

By the by, Voleti Venkateswarulu had sung Ranganathude superbly- occasionally broadcast by AIR Chennai A in their Sunday morning 'isai pettagam'

[R.narayan.rao]

Ranganathude, Arabhimanam were two of the masterpieces of Neyyattinkara Sri.Vasudevan. Nagagandhari Raganuthe
was taught by Trissur Sri. P. Radhakrishnan (Carnatic music lessons at A I R Trichur)

[hnbhagavan]

Saantamuleda-Saama-Tyagaraja

This was sung by Sri sanjay Subramanyam at the conference concert of Bangalore Gayana Samaja in Oct 2014.

[arasi]

sAnthamu lEka...

[rshankar]

Thanks CRama for the list. Other than Neethu charanamulegathi and Emaninne mahima, I have not heard the rest. I will seek them out. Thanks.

pancAshaT pITha rUpiNi is another gem from Sri Santhanam. And so is nAgagAndhAri rAga nutE.

[satyabalu]

sAnthamu lEka...

Mallari Bros sang this post Thani in BVB this season.

[sanjaysubfan]

That means Smarahari (saama) and Raanidi (Manirangu) need attention.

Sanjay sir has sung Smarahari (saama) in a Kuthiramalika concert in Trivandrum.

Sree Raghuvara sugunalaya-Bhairavi
Neevanti deivamu-Thodi
Neevanti deivamu-Bhairavi
Pamarajanapalini-Simhendramadhyamam
Neethu charanamulegathi-do
Natajanaparipalaka - do
Parvatarajakumari-Sreeranjini
Emaninne mahima-Mukhari
Panchakshatpeedaroopini

Again Sanjay sir has sung both Shri Raghuvara and Neevanti deivamu in Bhairavi. Needucharanumule, Pamarajanapalini and Parvataraja were big favourites some years back but I don't think he has sung them in recent times. I would love to listen to him sing Emaninne or Ranidhiraaadhu sometime.

[venkatraghavan.1955]

Personally after hearing a number of concerts this season -

1.Parathpara and Vathapi are still very much in the concert circuit
2.Vathapi is a staple for most instrumental concerts, especially saxaphone, mandolin etc
3.I agree with Raanidhi, Giripai, Neevanti deivamu in Thodi and other songs like Karunajoodu in Varali etc. being scarcely rendered
4.Sanjay does sing most of these songs in rotation given his very vast repertoire
5.Paridhanaminchite in Bilahari is also a constant whenever there is Bilahari sung. Dorakuna or more so Kanugontini are rarely heard

[venkatakailasam]

Ehi Manmatha SriRanjani .....any body heard the varnam composed by Tigar

This was rendered by nirmala rajasekar in a concert recently on veena..

There is mention at:

http://www.thehindu.com/features/friday ... 623005.ece



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[ramamantra]

The other day I read in the papers (don't remember hindu or times) that these days singers don't sing many songs in concerts. The emphasis is on improvisation (alapana, neraval, swaras) only and if possible in difficult/rare ragas. Earlier they used to fit in at least 20-25 songs or more in a concert (maybe of three hours).

And, my observation is that improvisation these days sounds very 'composed', especially swaras with every kalpanaswaram round in some pattern or the other and especially suited to the rhythmic pattern of the eduppu place of the sahityam. So much of 'composed' improvisation reminds one of black and white movie songs (classical-based). And, the whole unit (alapana, kriti, neraval and swaras) is so perfect and too well-timed. Real and on-the-spot improvisation belongs, I think to some bygone era where the singer makes some mistakes too.