TMK lec dem at Parthasarathy swami sabha

[anandasangeetham]

In todays lecture when talking about swara singing, TMK made a mention of 2 - 4 style of swara singing which is difficult to sing but is very pleasing to hear and only one musician as far his knowledge goes has sung in that fashion and the musician is none other than the great MMI. he went on to add that nobody does sing in that and everybody does a 3 - 5 style of swara singing which is easy. the secret of MMIs swara singing and why he is considered THE GREAT is only of because of this...

I request knowledgeable rasikas to explain what is 2-4 and 3-5 swara singing.....

[Rsachi]

Sir,
First of all thanks to TMK for making such an important point.
Srinath seems to have enough analysis and references to the music to illustrate the concepts.
so what we need is a a text, voice and with music links. I suggest we create a lec-dem with or without Srinath and any others he would invite on video and text and audio samples. I can coordinate this in Bangalore.
It should not be too difficult or costly.
as a first step I request Srinath to compile audio samples and a narrative text he can read.
Thanks
sachi

[cacm]

Sir,
First of all thanks to TMK for making such an important point.
Srinath seems to have enough analysis and references to the music to illustrate the concepts.
so what we need is a a text, voice and with music links. I suggest we create a lec-dem with or without Srinath and any others he would invite on video and text and audio samples. I can coordinate this in Bangalore.
It should not be too difficult or costly.
as a first step I request Srinath to compile audio samples and a narrative text he can read.
Thanks
sachi

Dear Sri Sachi,
TMK might have made an important point but the fact is in his semi-illiterate coffee table book with Bombay Jayashree he DID NOT BOTHER EVEN TO MENTION MMI among the leading musicians of that era. It got many knowledgeable persons QUITE MAD & SRI.S.Venugopal write to him & asked why to which he FLIPPANTLY replied that MMI DID NOT BELONG in the ELITE group he had mentioned without providing any explanations. So my conclusion is that he is a con artist who is very careful in garnering publicity for himself while OFFENDING OTHERS SENSIBILITIES. To me he is Carnatic Music's EQUIVALENT OF P.T. Barnum who knows there is a sucker born every day......VKV

[Rsachi]

Your strong words seem richly deserved for his unseemly arrogance.

[cacm]

I do not like to write negative things about any one but I FEEL THERE ARE ENOUGH RASIKAS IN THIS FORUM WHO KNOW & HAVE HEARD THE GIANTS OF THE PAST WHOM TMK COULD NOT HAVE HEARD IN PERSON WHO JUSTIFIABLY WILL TAKE OFFENSE TO NON-SENSE FROM TMK OR ANY ONE ELSE. HIS hiding under coming up with so called new ideas are just a ruse to his lack of DISCIPLINE at various levels. As it is I feel I have wasted enough precious time on these rantings & I leave it to others to thrash it out....VKV

[kvchellappa]

Interesting thread. Apart from nuances in music, which the musically gifted may relish in substance, the comments of Sri VKV hit the nail on the head. An artist coming to stage and saying that he does not sing for them or to entertain them (when you hear the soulful music of MS AMMA you have to find a better word) does not deserve an audience. I always thought that to sing a song repeatedly in a set way is a tough thing, because the average mind tends to look for change. So , apart from the fact that he has the musical genius, his mind is just average. He insults everyone left, right and centre, which is a mark of immaturity. His challenge to the concert idea does not seem born of any wisdom so much as to be a maverick. He is yet to explain how the shuffling of the order improves creativity or aesthetics either in theory or in singing. I find many others doing incredible things, within the concert idea. The concert idea is about sense of proportion and audience sensitivity, which are not crazy.

[cacm]

Dear Sri KVCHELLAPPA,
I am thankful & glad you have CLEARLY EXPRESSED the thoughts of MANY who are giving him a PASS in the hope he would straighten his thought processes& & become more MATURE. In the meanwhile one has to put up with this public "on the couch" examination of his mental wanderings because he is popular & talented. Trying to say Sun rises in the West or saying 1+1=2 is obselete & 1+1=0 WILL NOT BE VALID in even PARALLEL UNIVERSES because the LAWS OF MUSIC LIKE PHYSICS cannot be changed at the whim & fancy of some one because publications like HINDU give him writing space.....In short these Distractions claiming to be NEW DISCOVERIES only EXPOSE THE IGNORANCE of those who do not have the Discipline to first learn the craft properly. For example CHOWDIAH practised 16 hours a day for SEVERAL YEARS& M.S. DID AHARA SADHAM HOURS ON END EVERYDAY EVEN IN HER SEVETIES. REG Singing a song repeatedly MMI SAID about his singing Vataphi so many times- thousands of times acc. to him- he felt he had NOT rendered it PERFECTLY even once & he would continue to try till the end of his life.......VKV

[vasanthakokilam]

The posts related to the analysis of MMI swara singing have been moved to http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=24753

[Vyuptakesha]

TMK seems to suffer from what could be termed - attention deficit syndrome.
I guess with many artistes like Sanjay, Ranjani-Gayathri, Ramakrishnan Murthy going past him , he has resorted to gimmicks - raising controversial questions, questioning accepted norms without reason, to get attention back onto himself. Specially when his music isnt getting him anywhere.
Really sad!!

[thanjavooran]

I do not like to write negative things about any one but I FEEL THERE ARE ENOUGH RASIKAS IN THIS FORUM WHO KNOW & HAVE HEARD THE GIANTS OF THE PAST WHOM TMK COULD NOT HAVE HEARD IN PERSON WHO JUSTIFIABLY WILL TAKE OFFENSE TO NON-SENSE FROM TMK OR ANY ONE ELSE. HIS hiding under coming up with so called new ideas are just a ruse to his lack of DISCIPLINE at various levels. As it is I feel I have wasted enough precious time on these rantings & I leave it to others to thrash it out....VKV

Well said shri VKV ! Fully agree with You.
Nothing more to add. Sheer waste of time and energy.
Thanjavooran
03 01 2015

[vasanthakokilam]

TMK seems to suffer from what could be termed - attention deficit syndrome

If true, I think he can declare victory over that syndrome. I just clicked on the 'unread' posts, the top 3 are related to TMK

[sudarsam]

I think most of the posts in this topic should go another topic on Vidwans and Vidushis. The content of the lec-dem has not been discussed much.