IDOLIZATION AND HAGIOGRAPHY, A CRITICAL LOOK

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munirao2001
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IDOLIZATION AND HAGIOGRAPHY, A CRITICAL LOOK

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IDOLIZATION, A CRITICAL LOOK
Reading some of the postings of idolatry and of hagiography, I am posting on Idolization, a critical look.
Artists and rasikas express freely on values, values dear to oneself and universal self. In the process, unmindful of the fact is the very same value is valuable only in relationship. Relationship is to the achievement of self and universal self.
One’s own sense of security attaches the value to the great experiences in moments of creativity, in the creation of beauty, beauty in envisioning. Subsequently, being in the sense of insecurity of loss of such pleasure, sense of mind to secure one’s own pleasure, attaches values to the creator, the original, of such beauty, experience and pleasure. Even after seeking in its pleasure, momentarily, one self makes constant effort to extol the value, value relationship given the identity and authority to the creator, original and re creator. To own, after securing, creates the images for the values and their relationship. Image becomes the very authority. Authority thus established creates love at first, respect later, fear ultimately. Anxiety and fear of losing out such authority results in sense of mind creating mental barrier and conditioning, initially, later form the values and its relationship. The conditioning of the mind leads to reveling in the sense of beauty and pleasure of such moments engulfing the mind and deify the authority established by one, becoming universal, in acceptance, not seeking not in inquiry, not questioning. Expression of not one before, not in the present, not in the future is resorted to retain and secure the pleasure of individual, in the universal. Ritual of worship with praise, such authority gets established and is practiced. The worshiper establishes relationship with individual invoking the authority, who successfully creates the attachment, unmindful of such individual’s motivated, derivative recognition as an authority on the established authority. Such authority expressing praise in a ritualistic manner-Na Bhooto, Na Bhavishyati- of a hero, an authority, while also extolling the virtue of yet another authority, value independently and in relationship is lost out, individually and collectively. Expressions and communications result in hagiography, unfortunately and undesirably.
Values, its relationship, authority, significance is only they being instrumental. They are creative tools for fulfillment, sense of fulfillment of individual and the collective. With both the creator and the perceiver in creativity, sense of fulfillment in rasa, naada, and naadanubhuti of self abnegation moments, in realization and attainment of the ultimate in experience, happen. Experiences becoming knowledge ; knowledge of such creativity, its intrinsic values and attachment to the nada and nadopasana being immortal; greater than a mortal, a Hero, an idol and an authority.
Artists and rasikas with every new experiences of high value, create new and multiple idols and authorities. Such idols and authorities serve a period of art history. Such occurrences also establish that the very art is greater than the idols and authorities. Artists and rasikas, with self serving motive, express greatness of their idols and authorities, doubts over the present trends and anxiety, fear about the future of the art, its growth and development. History of art, with inheritance of good, bad and ugly at any given point of time of significance; constantly records further development in the new frontiers of experiences, knowledge with great values and relationships of artists and rasikas, together in creativity of excellence.
Artists not totally consumed by the success and its aftermath, in inquiry; in observation; in complete attention; in introspection; in reflection; in inference; in perceptions; in clarity and understanding; attaining realization; seek to establish and rest in the pleasure and experience of attained pure conscious of the greatness of the art; sincerely and seriously attempt and succeed in the just creative tools of manodharma and its delivery of beauty in all its glory; envisioning and partaking the pleasure with the other seekers; both practitioners and the rasikas. If other artists and rasikas fail and resolve not to experience of pristine and pure qualities of the art, it is their own loss in sampradaya. Artists in such state of realization, continue their experiments and search, disregarding the lack of other’s appreciation and recognition, but serving the seekers with beliefs and principles in their practice of the great art, selflessly, truly serving the ultimate cause of the very great art form. Artists with such attainment and achievement are rarest of rare kind. Truly indeed their music, its high values, becoming sampradaya, attain immortality. Verily such great genius and great maestros are Nadopasakas.

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Re: IDOLIZATION AND HAGIOGRAPHY, A CRITICAL LOOK

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I desired and sought a good discussion on this vital aspect of Classical Music. Why none have shown interest? I am curious and also disappointed. Can I expect discussions to follow ?

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Re: IDOLIZATION AND HAGIOGRAPHY, A CRITICAL LOOK

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Raoji,

Every time I open the org I read this post to understand what you are trying to say in vain. I do not blame you. My patience and understanding level are so low. But in such obscure topics, as an after thought, I feel that things can be made in a simpler and lucid style. Not withstanding if my understanding is correct about your post the following is my take:
1. Self expression comes basically from spark.
2. The spark blooms in to an amazing experience through industry and discipline. If it is music oneness of performer, song and listener is attained. This is the greatness of music.
3. This evolves into a tradition emulated by many.
4. Thus the tradition at the idolization becomes a ritual. (Budda pointed with his finger at some thing; instead of looking at what he was showing they made him into a statue at this posture).
5. Breach of the self expression starts at this stage and the down fall begins.
6. Another self expression evolves to replace this over blown self expression.
7. At one point of time we need to stop romanticizing self expressionists and we need to compulsorily break the sacredness to understand the truth.
8. Are we, as Indians, doing it?

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Re: IDOLIZATION AND HAGIOGRAPHY, A CRITICAL LOOK

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MuniRao Sir
Just 2 more points on what chalanata added with respect to your style of writing .

# Between paragraphs add atleast one or two line of white spaces .

# Read atleast once or twice using preview button prior to hitting the submit button.

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Chalanata and Rajeshnat,
I am happy that you have joined the discussion.

Chalanata
Just take each paragraph content and read a second time, the thought, its logic and conclusion will be clear. I consciously make it simple. Alternatively, question. Answers will bring more clarity. I will wait for some more forumites to join the discussion and share my understanding and beliefs. I will also share my thoughts and views on your thoughts and views.

Rajeshnat
1. You please observe, I have given one line space. I resort to two line space when the thought and writing takes up a different observation or thought process and its conclusion.
2. I do review, take corrective action and then only submit. Interested to know about your thought and observation in making this suggestion and advice.

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