Music of North-India is pre-muslim, not muslim

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elektek
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Music of North-India is pre-muslim, not muslim

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harimau wrote:The late Sri Rangaramanuja Iyengar has said the same thing in several of his books, that it was the introduction of the harmonium that doomed Hindusthani Music.

To that I guess one could add the influence of Persian musicians who adorned the courts of Mughal sultans.

Thank God that the Vindhya range kept the Muslim musicians confined to the North. We were able to retain the original Music of India in the South.
The music of Persia was developed from 2000 BC to 700 AC, before the Arab invasion. They were not muslims.
The Arabs were also "not muslims" for thousands of years.

Muslim music does not exist.

ganesh_mourthy
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Purpose of this thread?

Or to just make a statement?!

vgovindan
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[quote="elektek"][quote="harimau"]The late Sri Rangaramanuja Iyengar has said the same thing in several of his books, that it was the introduction of the harmonium that doomed Hindusthani Music./quote]

How fallacious this prediction was! HM is thriving much more than CM.

munirao2001
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Classical Music and its practitioners religion is Values in the creativity and its resultant benefits of values in relationship, experiences and fulfillment. The personal faith in ritualistic religion, its adherence, its practices should not be the subject for the contribution, achievement and its status in the annals of history of Classical Music. Music itself is, in origin and preexisting to ritualistic religions. Philosophy, the core values of any religion, creates the urge and for expressions of bhava-both sahithya and sangita aspects. The views on Music of North-India, pre-muslim and not muslim, is only for the interest of musicologist-ethno musicology and for historians, in value for their writings.

Any critic of classical music can have their personal observations and views, which need not be facts, at best may be only based on belief and truth.

Hindustani Music which is based on the purity of svara and pitch, with minimal use of oscillatory svara(s)-gamak, eminently suitable for Harmonium to create sounds and music related to this great art. Many great maestros have accompanied the legends and stalwarts and achieved excellence and their own recognition and rewards as Ustads and Pandits. All the great maestros have perfected the practice and art of playing Harmonium. Sarangi and Harmonium are used as accompaniment instruments. Violin has not received its acceptance, may be due to lack of appreciation by the Vocalists and least of the reasons for the lack of good violin accompanists.

munirao2001

harimau
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elektek wrote:
The music of Persia was developed from 2000 BC to 700 AC, before the Arab invasion. They were not muslims.
The Arabs were also "not muslims" for thousands of years.

Muslim music does not exist.
According to Muslims, all are born Muslim but we just don't know about it.

That is why they never say that someone "converted" to Islam; they say a person "reverted" to Islam.

So you are wrong.

All music is Muslim music. :twisted:

And certainly, the music of Cat Stevens is Muslim music, as he reverted to Islam quite a few years back.

AR Rahman's music used to be Hindu music but now it is Muslim music.

Yuvan Sankar Raja's music used to be Hindu music but, since he has "reverted" to Islam to marry a Dubai-based fashion designer, his music has also become Muslim music.
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arasi
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Harimau,
All of us who don salwAr and kurtA are also muslim in our music?

harimau
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arasi wrote:Harimau,
All of us who don salwAr and kurtA are also muslim in our music?
No. That makes your music Punjabi music. :twisted: :lol:

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O bhale bhale bhale bhale bhale! Merely quoting a musical creation of O.P.Nayyar ;)

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