Original Creativity

[vgovindan]

I had raised a query about the usage 'original creativity'. The response of Sri Munirao is quoted here -

6. What is original creativity?
Artist creating, afresh, anew-not in existence, using the established manodharma and its tools. Also, creating a new tool itself, which is yet to happen in Karnataka Sangeetha.

munirao2001

May we discuss this?

[VK RAMAN]

Creativity is the spontaneous overflow of powerful feelings which takes its origin in emotion recollected in tranquility

[arasi]

Words worth remembering...

[rshankar]

May be I am splitting hairs, and may be it is semantics...but isn't all creativity by definition original?? Does imitative creativity even exist?

[arasi]

Ravi,
A good one...
One thing comes to mind, though: not all 'new' thanjAvUr paintings will make the grade.Here, we encounter inspired versus imitative art...?

[kvchellappa]

I heard TMK say that what GNB introduced (briga?) was totally new. Is there something similar? We (ordinary people less cosy with abstract things) can understand a thing only by illustrations. So, it may help bring out instances that pass for creativity and then try to get an idea of creativity in the abstract. I also heard how KVN sang a particular phrase of thodi that was novel (I am unable to recollect it in musical terms). Sometimes we consider something creative, even an artist may think so and it may indeed be his original imagination, but in this cut-throat world somebody might have already done it, pre-empting the next generation.

[kvchellappa]

I heard Mysore Vasudevacharyar composed a kriti that had the same sangatis as the one created by Poochi Iyengar, and that the latter conceded that manodharma could overlap.

[arasi]

Yes, in ancient times, the great minds would have communicated (by some means!) and would have wondered about the universality in thought and in the realm of imagination and would have been happy about it.

In our 'communicate before you can even think' world, plagiarism accusations abound, even without there being an attempt at it!

[munirao2001]

rshankar Sir
All creativity need not be original-original because the thought, imagination, idea, form, structure, expression, communication and delivery of a new and non existence is established and recognized with the values. Original always is inspirational. Also, with potential and possibilities for re creativity. With inspiration of the original, yet another type of creativity occurs. Creatively imagining, recognizing its insights,its ideas, its beauty, its values of the original, re create and present the original unfolding the beauty and its value for the recall pleasure of the original moments and in the present experience of the past, pleasure in memory. In the act of re creativity, value addition also can take place, seamlessly, clearly with the stamp of the creator. Original creativity is act of making it known, the unknown. Re creativity is act of making well known, more of the known. Commonality is the very character of the inventor, being creative.

munirao2001

[munirao2001]

KVChellapa Sir and Arasi,

Original creator, creates; is impersonal; not possessive; not attached with the values; will not be amused or affected by the claims of others of such creativity, either in the past or in the present. Original creator, personal; possessive; deeply attached with the values; will refute or dismiss such claims. It is a fact that a creative person in deep appreciation of the creation of the other creator, not well known or not in the public knowledge, secretively indulges in plagiarism or imparts variant(s) and defends or strives for the establishment of his creativity, as truly original, unconnected or unrelated. Result of a weakness in the trait or character, which is not uncommon. It is also a fact that original creativity, with almost similarity can happen in the present or in the near past, unconnected and unrelated, of two creative individuals. In instances of such parallel or almost similar creativity, the values attached, determine the establishment and recognition. Not established, not receiving the recognition, one creativity is either lost or fades out.

munirao2001

[munirao2001]

KVChellappa Sir,
"I heard TMK say that what GNB introduced (briga?) was totally new". Not only TMK, many KM practitioners say this. But, I had heard MVI using Bhirkhas, but very short and very good links. MVI was using this much before GNB. GNB made elongated versions, used extensively and achieved popularity.
I think and guess that vocalists were attracted to the Nagasvaram Vidwans playing this and vocalized the nagasvaram playing technique.

munirao2001

[varsha]

but isn't all creativity by definition original?? Does imitative creativity even exist?

One gold standard...
The whole difference between a construction and a creation is exactly this: that a thing constructed can be loved after it is constructed; but a thing created is
loved before it exists
GK Chesterton

[munirao2001]

Varsha,
Process in creativity-mind in thinking-on factors or matters of-curiosity, inquisitiveness, doubt, rejection of the existing, aspiration, inspiration, threat, defense leads to inquiry. Inquiry triggers imagination, analysis, determination, decision. Decision leads to construction. Construction results in action-experimentation, discovery, communication, demonstration. Without attachment, process can not happen. Without love, process can happen. Mind with attachment and possession , being in the process itself can result in love arisen out of pleasure of the imagination and construction, not obsessed with the outcome. With the obsession of the outcome, love arises with the results or its benefits.

munirao2001

[varsha]

Indeed..Thanks