RK Sriramkumar Lecdem @SRLKM Bangalore

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kssr
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RK Sriramkumar Lecdem @SRLKM Bangalore

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See below an article on the lecdem of Sri.Sriramkumar published in the Hindu. The lecdem was organised by Sree rama Lalitha Kala mandira and in some way Smt.Neela ramgopal was also involved as she made the welcome speech and vote of thanks. The title was "The importance of compositions in Manodharma".

1. RKS is truly a top class lecturer. Never repeating a sentence, no chittas, no jokes, no personal anecdotes, no praise or criticism of any other artist or organiser, never deviating from the topic in question- Brilliant.
2. I think that the time given was only 1.5 hrs as he was repeatedly apologising for taking more time - just about 2 hours. Felt it was too short.
3. New Insights. We assume that alapanai- kriti-swarams are three compartments traditionally placed one behind the other but essentially independent. He clarified that the kriti is the heart. According to the kriti, you should sing ragam , neraval and swaram. He demonstrated with several compositions, how the manodharma items are to be sung to match the song and how inappropriate it would be to sing otherwise.
4. There are primarily three types of ragams.
a. Where the essence of the raga bhaavam can be understood and learnt only by listening to the stalwarts of CM - gamakaas and emphasis to be given or not to be given in particular swaras, how to slide from one swara to the next (or not to slide) Many other intricate, simple and yet raga defining aspects were demonstrated. The classic Shankaraabharanam- Kalyani distinction without even touching Madhyamam was also explained. These ragams cannot be sung based purely on the scale of the ragam.
b. Ragams based on phrases. The ragam will come out only by using these characteristic phrases. Demonstration of examples.
c. Purely scale based. These will work just based on aarohaNam- avarohaNam.
5. How the manodharma swaraprasthaaram is to be in alignment with the song that has been sung. He listed the thodi kritis of Thyagaraja where he has the pallavi starting from each of the seven notes!! (Just had it on his fingertips). While presenting any one of these compositions, he said, it will be correct only if the swaras are also sung centred around the important swara that is highlighted by the composer in that composition.
6. Manodharma is to be appropriate to the ragam as conceived by the composer: He gave the example of HindoLam. Thyagaraja and MDikshitar have different ways of expressing this ragam. Their compositions will accordingly only showcase their respective interpretations. Therefore the singer has to use the same concept while singing ragam or swaram to that particular composer's song. It will be UNETHICAl (word used by RKS) to mix them up.
I have just tried to put in words what little I understood (E&OE-Errors and omissions expected :) )

It was a delightful experience. He is not a bad singer at all. It is heartening to see that someone has identified this additional skill in this top class violinist and brought it to light. Thanks are due to SRLKM and Neela mami for bringing it to Bangalore.


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gardabha_gana
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Can someone post a recording of the event? Too bad - there was another event happening not too far around the same time. This one - http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=25345 I had a to make the difficult choice and chose the latter.

vasanthakokilam
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. There are primarily three types of ragams.
a. Where the essence of the raga bhaavam can be understood and learnt only by listening to the stalwarts of CM - gamakaas and emphasis to be given or not to be given in particular swaras, how to slide from one swara to the next (or not to slide) Many other intricate, simple and yet raga defining aspects were demonstrated. The classic Shankaraabharanam- Kalyani distinction without even touching Madhyamam was also explained. These ragams cannot be sung based purely on the scale of the ragam.
b. Ragams based on phrases. The ragam will come out only by using these characteristic phrases. Demonstration of examples.
c. Purely scale based. These will work just based on aarohaNam- avarohaNam.
Kssr, do you recall what examples he provided for group b and group c? ( also anything else for group a in addition to what you mention above )

Thx

kssr
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Vasanthakokilam

As I had mentioned in my original post, the topic was to explain about manodharma sangeetham - alapanai, neraval and swaram. What should be the basis of constructing these portions. The explanations were given to substantiate that the aarohanam-avarohanam scale should not be the basis and most manodharma is to be framed based on knowledge of the ragam derived from the compositions of great composers and the treatment of the compositions by great musicians.

Answers to your questions:
a. Mainly sankarabharanam and kalyani in great detail starting from how the sankarabharanam varnam is to be sung, etc.,
b. Examples of phrase based ragas: Anandabhairavi, Yedukulakambodhi, VaraaLi, Kaanada. Elaboration was taken up for Begada - how in Naadopaasana certain "unique" phrases are presented and how they will aid in good manodharma. Also, taken up was the characteristic phrases of Devagandhaari. Also, how certain speeds alone are nice for certain ragas- eg: Arabhi is better with a faster pace. Also, how Thyagaraja has composed different songs in Devagandhaari which are suited for slow, medium and fast tempo. Manodharma while singing those compositions should also follow the phrases/tempo.
c. Primarily scale based: Bahudhari : Model Brova bharamaa; Kapinarayani: Model Sarasasama; Jayanthasena: Model Vinatha suthavahana. In these cases, although a pure scale based manodharma will be acceptable, it will really get embellished by using the models given.

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I am grateful for Deepa Ganesh and KSSR for the report, which has given me the understanding of the Lec-Demo.

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mahavishnu
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Very interesting thread!
gardabha_gana wrote:Can someone post a recording of the event? Too bad - there was another event happening not too far around the same time. This one - http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=25345 I had a to make the difficult choice and chose the latter.
I feel your pain. A choice between Vijay's concert and RKSK's lec-dem is no choice at all.

I really like the phrasing of: It is unfair to suffocate a rAga within the structure of notes. I also especially like the distinction between a, b & c. Most people that seem to hold the contrary view (in the scalar raga thread), seem to have misunderstood this classification.
I think the world of RKSK and would love to get a copy of this lec-dem, just so I understand his positions on many of the issues raised.
Therefore the singer has to use the same concept while singing ragam or swaram to that particular composer's song. It will be UNETHICAl (word used by RKS) to mix them up.
However, I might not call it "unethical" to take artistic liberties with other people's compositions.Carnatic music exists in its state of fluidity and on a constant path of evolution because of these changes. I am not advocating that people just go around and do whatever they want, but I also strongly believe that certain musicians have added so much to the performance aspect of these songs that could not have happened if they didn't venture into this exploratory territory.

And here I would say that the TMK/RKSK combination have violated this tenet time and time again (and I think that is a good thing). Did Poochi Srinivasa Iyengar intend for people to do neraval on his tillAnAs? And how say is one to keep in the spirit of this composition while engaging in such an exercise?

Bach's compositions sound pretty much the same as they did in the 1700s. We can't say the same thing about our music and I would dare say that represents its strength: the dynamic nature of the musical representation not being held back by notational rigidities. We would suffocate the musical form by trying to make it "sheet" music.

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