SK Sudha Raghunathan - Yoga Day

ramamantra · Post by **ramamantra** » 22 Jun 2015, 11:05

- complete with trademark silk saree and jewellery, not to say, jasmine flowers. Times carries other Yoga poses of hers with the attire.

sukumar · Post by **sukumar** » 22 Jun 2015, 12:16

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 22 Jun 2015, 12:46

I appreciate the vidushi.

lovemusic · Post by **lovemusic** » 22 Jun 2015, 13:03

Ramamantra,

Is it something wrong in wearing our traditional attire? You have posted comments as if she has done a blunder. Seems people criticize her if she is in saree or in churidhar. If you do not know, yesterdays yoga session started off with her music and she joined them later. It is her trademark to address a gathering in the saree and flowers which she has been following for the last two decades. She is a seasoned yoga practitioner. She herself is very comfortable doing the yoga session in the saree.

May I humbly request you to refrain from making sarcastic comments about the people of high repute. It surely hurts me and many others.

priyaram78 · Post by **priyaram78** » 22 Jun 2015, 13:10

I appreciate her commitment to yoga ! So many yogasanas can be done in a saree too. So lets appreciate her and women in general who practise yoga in whichever attire they feel comfortable in.

ramamantra · Post by **ramamantra** » 22 Jun 2015, 13:17

lovemusic wrote: May I humbly request you to refrain from making sarcastic comments about the people of high repute. It surely hurts me and many others.

I hope ppl of high repute respect Yoga and its requirements. It hurts me too, esp the jewels and flowers.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/ ... 78664.ece#

You'll find other celebrities across India celebrating Yoga day. Royal scion or Bollywood actresses (of course apart from politicians) wearing Yoga attire, at least no jewels or adornment taking part.

priyaram78 · Post by **priyaram78** » 22 Jun 2015, 14:13

Popular personalities who are respected and loved by many have to present themselves in their trademark appearance. People love them in that appearance. Nothing wrong. When we can appreciate filmstars in a particular hairstyle or eyelashes whether it is real or not why find fault with a trademark appearance of a respected person looked upto by many ?

shankarabharanam · Post by **shankarabharanam** » 22 Jun 2015, 19:28

ramamantra wrote:
lovemusic wrote: May I humbly request you to refrain from making sarcastic comments about the people of high repute. It surely hurts me and many others.
I hope ppl of high repute respect Yoga and its requirements. It hurts me too, esp the jewels and flowers.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/ ... 78664.ece#

You'll find other celebrities across India celebrating Yoga day. Royal scion or Bollywood actresses (of course apart from politicians) wearing Yoga attire, at least no jewels or adornment taking part.

This is ridiculous. Ramamantra there is a limit for ridiculing a artist and complaining about her attire. She did perform a concert before the event and obviously she ought to be in her comfortable attire. I think you are used to bollywood way of dressing up for yoga sessions. So why do you even bother about Sudha Ragunathan. Give respect to her as a musician which she richly deserves. If she would have worn salwar kameez or tracks you would have issues because you have issues against her and not the attire I guess. So no matter whatever she does you are going to point fingers at her. Mind you she has been practicing yoga for years and also follows Isha.

I read your comments about TMK in other threads. You tend to support someone who has freely accused the entire music fraternity and comparing him to the squirrel in the ramayana is disgusting. Just because she is a woman and someone who hasn't have a loose tongue, you can't take her for granted. In future refrain from giving such comments about anyone leave alone Sudha Ragunathan.

lovemusic · Post by **lovemusic** » 22 Jun 2015, 20:02

Well said shankarabharanam

Ramamantra,

Is it a crime for the woman folks to wear jewellery one simple necklace in addition to the mangalsutra? She was not bedecked with diamonds and rubies in her extra necklace. The comfortabiliry is the point and the main requirement for the yoga.

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 22 Jun 2015, 20:25

gaya3guru · Post by **gaya3guru** » 22 Jun 2015, 20:29

Ramamantra,
Rightly as the last reply from "shankarabharam" states, looks like it is not the passion for yoga that is hurting you but the passion to make mockery of everything that the artiste does, just because she is a woman. What difference does it make in the sincerity of her doing yoga or meditation in a kanchivaram or any other attire. Would you have accepted her singing in a T-shirt and yoga pants? (while i did not find any evidence that these are the approved attire for yoga). Yoga has been a lifestyle for many centuries in our country and I definitely think that these so called appropriate attire for yoga never even existed.

If she chose to wear one more necklace and jasmine flowers, which is a trademark of our south indian ladies, it is her choice. But I do not understand how in the world does it hurt your feelings. And above all comparing a carnatic musician to bollywood..... you must be insane.

I have seen this male chavunism in many of the people here in rasikas. Just beacuse she is a woman and does not have her words spilled out like many artistes do and a one that respects the art form and the audience (and does not indulge her in so called "innovation and breaking traditonal barriers") it does not give anyone the right to make personal attacks. And it is her right and comfortability that matters than anything else. She is practising yoga and meditation for many years now and I bet she knows the best way of dressing up appropriately than many of us here.

Like the replies from others here said "refrain yourself from making personal attacks and about attire". When we can accept dancing for a dappankutthu in the name of being social and walking away in the middle of a concert in the name of innovation and individual right,.....we do not even have the right to comment on an artiste's attire. I totally think that it is very unparlimentary of you to have written this and you owe an apology not only to the artiste but to all female folks here.

priyaram78 · Post by **priyaram78** » 22 Jun 2015, 20:58

If she had worn the western attire or any other attire for yoga then too I am sure she would have been criticised. Enough of celebrity bashing just because she is a woman.

SrinathK · Post by **SrinathK** » 22 Jun 2015, 22:10

This is what they do on some other forums when this (routinely) crops up :

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 22 Jun 2015, 22:18

I am sure Smt. Sudha will forgive ramamantra. After all he put her picture up

ramamantra · Post by **ramamantra** » 23 Jun 2015, 08:16

Despite all your rant, the fact still remains that it is a mistake and an obvious one at that. And, if by sticking to that which is right, somebody calls me a troll, so be it (btw, I had high opinions of you, SrinathK, but you proved yourself a troll by calling me one).

And, I humbly bear the cross of pointing out much like the kid did - the emperor has no clothes. Or, in this context, should I say, the emperor has one too many

ganesh_mourthy · Post by **ganesh_mourthy** » 23 Jun 2015, 10:14

First I thought that the complaint was about lack of simplicity. Then I had a glance at the Indian express bollywood stars yoga ....

Ah Ouch

Esp..the 4th one...

I can easily understand the "bagiranga AAaaadhangam" .....

I understand the point..

Bollywood celebrities Rakhi Sawant , Raj Zutshi , Raju Srivastav and others participate in a Yoga session in Mumbai on International Day of Yoga. (Photo: Anushree Fadnavis / Indus Images)

And some frustrations too

Ramas Mantra

"Despite all your rant, the fact still remains that it is a mistake and an obvious one at that"

Can't complain! To everyone his own world! But understandable...

Ram ram ram ram ram ram ram ram raaaaaaaaaaaaam.

shripathi_g · Post by **shripathi_g** » 24 Jun 2015, 01:47

Much better than doing yoga like this https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CIHz_DVWoAAExEb.mp4

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 24 Jun 2015, 01:57

Here, a star 'helps' in making more people get interested in something which is good for us all. If say, fifty among those who were there are going to become regular yoga practitioners
because of her, it's well worth it.

Sudha has a keen sense of the community,we hear.

AND, she's not faking an interest in yoga as a publicity stunt. She has been practicing
yoga regularly.

And, for Sudha, she's simply attired here (that too, when she had to go on stage to sing at the event).

More than that, she is relaxed and seems to say, 'this is good for our health'

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 24 Jun 2015, 07:59

Being offensive is not anyone's birthright. Making comments on a 'person' that too a lady is asangyam.

kolenidhi · Post by **kolenidhi** » 24 Jun 2015, 08:34

Or, perhaps she was simply rehearsing for yet another ad.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 24 Jun 2015, 09:00

Are we talking about the inappropriateness of non simple clothes for meditation
( as in the above picture ) or for yoga? I don't see an issue with meditation but for yoga, that may not be the most convenient dress. But for Indian women what is the 'right and comfortable' attire for yoga? I am really curious. Even saree may be incovenient, but a lot of women do not wear anything except saree.

But if the value judgement here is that austerity is what goes with meditation and yoga i think that is way too personal a viewpoint and you can't trash someone for it. Remember, it is not considered an inappropriate dress by society to go to temple in silk saree and jasmine flowers. Individually you may feel that is not right either, but that means you have a personal problem with society at large and it is not good to take pot shots like this on an individual case like this.

ganesh_mourthy · Post by **ganesh_mourthy** » 24 Jun 2015, 09:12

VK

you are right 100%, even when Yoga itself is yet not clear with many people. If I am going to be wearing something that I am not comfortable with as a habit, and if I am going to be consumed with the thought of it, where can I concentrate.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 24 Jun 2015, 09:34

Mmm, when freedom of speech is abused in instances like this, aren't we going farther away from music, what we all uniformly profess to love?

Yoga also deserves some respect, does it not?

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 24 Jun 2015, 09:44

G_m, Not sure if we are saying the same thing.

I definitely see people thinking along these lines: yoga is about beyond material things and how can one get any benefit from it if one is drowning in material things. That is definitely conventional wisdom. But such beliefs and teachings are inconsistent when one goes to temples where that attire is perfectly reasonable and our society/culture does not look down negatively on it.

So I am saying it is our problem to be judging others on such things. If they get benefit out of what they do, why should we attach a value judgement to it when we ourselves as a society are inconsistent on that issue of austerity and spirituality.

Are we accusing them of symbolism(show) over substance? We don't really know them at such level to be thinking along those lines.

Probably very obvious, but I can totally see how uncomfortable it can be doing physical exercise oriented asanas in such a dress.

ganesh_mourthy · Post by **ganesh_mourthy** » 24 Jun 2015, 09:54

Arasi Arasi Arasi, wait wait wait. Easy on that to me ...

What I meant was ,If I am going to be wearing something like baba ramdev is wearing , and disturbed at mind with the inconvenience of wearing it for the heck of it, and feel conscious of how others are going to feel about me ( though nobody cares), well , then I cannot even stretch my hand with ease , let alone control my mind. She is definitely savvy enough to choose something else if she did hatha yoga.

ganesh_mourthy · Post by **ganesh_mourthy** » 24 Jun 2015, 09:59

Oh ok ! I reread that first thingy and that can give perfect two meaning. That is an art I always developed in me all along. I will try to reread before I submit. That is why gmail has given 30 second time before you can change your mind. Read that in the hindu this morning. That is for me.

VK and Arasi, I echoed your thoughts , but failed to put that clearly.

ganesh_mourthy · Post by **ganesh_mourthy** » 24 Jun 2015, 10:04

I think we three were typing the same exact subject exactly at the same time and you two bet me to it with the "submit".

VK , time to resurrect the "tricksofswaragnana" thread. See you there shortly.

ramamantra · Post by **ramamantra** » 24 Jun 2015, 10:54

ganesh_mourthy wrote: She is definitely savvy enough to choose something else if she did hatha yoga.

http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/inde ... t=20150622

- 4th and 27th slide (TOI epaper 22 June 2015 archives)

ganesh_mourthy · Post by **ganesh_mourthy** » 24 Jun 2015, 12:59

http://healthswift.blogspot.in/2013/07/ ... tures.html

Dear Ram

This is what I meant as hatha yoga. Merely raising hands, to me, does not count as Hatha Yoga. Peace. It could have been slightly simpler. But is not distracting at all to me which is the point. But, if it is to you or some , certainly you have the right to feel so. Please post your preferred attire or just a pic. Just for academic purpose.

ramamantra · Post by **ramamantra** » 24 Jun 2015, 15:20

If you read the TOI article, there is special mention of SR's flowers and heavy jewellery too. Looks like I'm not the only one to spot

Come to think of it now, everybody just blindly piling on to the innocent me just like aattumandais and going haywire in all kinds of direction.

SrinathK: You are exposed. You might have to find elsewhere for your name-calling. In fact, I'd like an apology for the hasty name-calling of yours.

shankarabharanam · Post by **shankarabharanam** » 24 Jun 2015, 20:46

Ok so I was not able to read the caption in the slide.. I think it wants me to subscribe.. Knowing how the sub works in TOI I am not surprised that they pointed her attire.. Of course and ram you had to troll here.. Mind you most of the fab India kurta guys in these yoga session wear expensive attire..

Anyways looks like you have a pre conceived notion about SR, so no point arguing With you.. What matters in yoga is concentration and dedication and I know for sure Sudha is far more dedicated in doing it than many of us here.. She has always propagated for yoga and i repeat again, everything depends on who you see

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 24 Jun 2015, 21:08

@Mods,
Please close this thread. Any more discussion will be nauseating.

SrinathK · Post by **SrinathK** » 24 Jun 2015, 21:39

I have just realized that when it's sarees and jasmine flowers and jewelry + Carnatic Music + meditation and yoga -- "It's an emergency! It's an outrage! It's a scandal! A national shame! A blasphemy! An insult to the yogic masters and saints! An offended God even! Worse. The very destiny of CM is at stake! Call the army! Call the marines! Call the air force! This. Is. Serious! I repeat. This is NOT a drill!"

My my, how could I, a young newcomer, who cared only about ragas and krithis and concerts and the music, know how much these things mattered?

Being on the TOI front page and all ... it was a deeply sensitive issue of intergalactic importance and unfathomable impact that many a great mind had spent sleepless days and nights pondering on

. I sincerely apologize for not having understood the gravity of the situation ...

But then I saw the Bollywood photos too ... <Realization...> mmm....right, now I get it.

SrinathK · Post by **SrinathK** » 24 Jun 2015, 22:14

From Wiki : In Internet slang, a troll, is a person who sows discord on the Internet (check) by starting arguments or upsetting people (check), by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages (check) in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) (check) with the deliberate (??? Nah, give it the benefit of the doubt, .... or, don't) intent of provoking readers into an emotional response (Check) or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion (Check)

MODS!

PS : None of the above is intended to be offensive in any manner. If the topic is indeed that serious, than I promise to follow stricter emissions norms.
One more thing, I solemly swear that I, SrinathK, will impose a self restraining order on myself, that I am not to to come within 1 light year of these topics, unless there is a probability for light humour > 0

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 24 Jun 2015, 23:45

Just to reiterate what Srikanth has said, the sobriquet of a troll is not lightly awarded; it is a hard-earned one for many, if not most of the trolls.

By the way, a neutral observation about someone's attire/jewelry is miles away from a comment/commentary on it (both negative and positive) - the difference between 'News' and 'Views'! And I guess it is the 'views' that are being contested.

ramamantra · Post by **ramamantra** » 25 Jun 2015, 08:23

rshankar wrote:By the way, a neutral observation about someone's attire/jewelry is miles away from a comment/commentary on it (both negative and positive) - the difference between 'News' and 'Views'! And I guess it is the 'views' that are being contested.

If you read news as views, it is your problem. Go back to the first post and read it again.

SrinathK · Post by **SrinathK** » 25 Jun 2015, 08:52

My last comment here on topics like these : When making a remark, if the intention is just in light humour and is never meant to avoid setting off the fans, always include a few smileys at the end

Sayonara!

ramamantra · Post by **ramamantra** » 25 Jun 2015, 08:56

SrinathK wrote:My last comment here on topics like these : When making a remark, if the intention is just in light humour and is never meant to avoid setting off the fans, always include a few smileys at the end

Sayonara!

Thanks for the unsolicited advice. And, your condescending namesake apology is not welcome. And, there are no smileys here for what I feel.

Goodbye !

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 25 Jun 2015, 09:22

OK, I think we have beaten this to the ground. I will close this thread in 24 hours.

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 25 Jun 2015, 12:10

Many of the ladies in the picture are wearing saris. Why single her out?. May be it was a pranayama and meditation session.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 26 Jun 2015, 01:00

Punarvasu,
Even if Sudha had worn what the naysayers would imagine to be the proper outfit, they would surely have found something else to find fault with her

You and I know that seeing a woman who has achieved all that Sudha has, doesn't appeal much to some menfolk either

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 26 Jun 2015, 02:09

vasanthakokilam wrote:OK, I think we have beaten this to the ground. I will close this thread in 24 hours.

Why the delay!

Give the world a treat, and do it once

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 26 Jun 2015, 05:11