Sangeetha Kalanidhi 2016

[music1234]

Now that the SK designate for 2015 has been announced, let the discussions begin on who are the probables for 2016. Normally this discussion starts in the mid year and a fish market fight erupts.

If you guys start the discussions for 2016 well in advance, perhaps MA will consider your suggestions and make a more sensible selection next year, at least

[ganesh_mourthy]

There are good artistes outside of TN who does not routinely perform in MA. Is SK ever given for artistes who does not often perform in MA. Say for instance L. Subramaniam very rarely performs in MA. But, I wonder if it matters to him seriously. To RK too

[ramamantra]

My vote is for Mandolin Srinivas. Commonman, it is a posthumous award alright but one of current relevance as MA seems to be getting into the trend of awarding middle-age artists as opposed to senior citizens only (a strong criteria till a couple of years back). Plus, it will be a break from endless wrangles and controversies surrounding SK (at least for a year).

[VK RAMAN]

"If you guys start the discussions for 2016 well in advance" who are "you guys"? Are you included; then you make your first recommendation.

[devan]

abishekraguram.he is the borisbecker of cm.he is a male.

[Nick H]

"And this year's award for singing very fast goes to...."

[harimau]

Is there a rule against awarding the Sangeetha Kalanidhi more than once to the same person?

My vote goes for Sanjay Subrahmanyan.

I think they should stop giving the SK after this year.

[grsastrigal]

My SK 2016 goes to harimau.

[kvchellappa]

Harimau has turned 180 degrees. He now feels that after SS, no one deserves SK.

[kvchellappa]

Next year it will be a senior, by rotation as implied. But, the choice here is not MA's. We can even give it to Rohan.

[kvchellappa]

'Sambandhamilla Kalanidhi'?

[Rsachi]

I think we have been deeply disrespectful of the following great contributors to our musical tradition who should have been given SK even though a few of them hailed from outside TN:
1.Narada
2. Ravana
3. Bharatamuni
4. Annamacharya
5. Purandaradasa
6-8. Trinity
9. Swati Tirunal
10-13. Tanjore quartet

It is a bit flippant to start awarding SK to our own members. Of course all sizes of cats may indulge in "I scratch your back and you scratch mine." But in this kind of behaviour I smell a rat.

[KSJaishankar]

Sachi - I think like the ZEROTH law in Thermodynamics, there needs to be a ZEROTH awardee on your list. MAHADEVA himself! After all, a greater scholar than the esteemed members of this group has said "vande naadatanum tamuddhurajagatgeetam mude samkaram!"

[Rsachi]

Jai Shankara.
If someone with a piggy bank calls it his Nidhi, there are bigger Nidhis: there is City Union Bank, Corporation Bank, State Bank and finally Reserve Bank. You are referring to the RBI but we are comparing piggy banks.

[hnbhagavan]

As the award has to be in a series:YOUNG - OLD - Young -OLD............My vote is for Madurai GS Mani - 83/84 years...

[vasanthakokilam]

Considering how caustic the 2015 thread has become, at least there is some comic relief here.

If we start with 0 as KSJaishankar says and if we take harimau on his word, then observing the flip side of 0 is infinity, Sanjay can truly claim 'Honey I shrunk the infinity'. Now that is truly worth an SK and in any spreadsheet there is no one else to excel.

[espras]

Manakkal Rangarajan, who, for some reason or other, has been overlooked from being recognized for his long service to music.

[balakk]

I hope MA gives it to TMK. If anybody gets some news of this please share, I'll stockpile some popcorn.

[hnbhagavan]

Many great instrumentalists GJR Krishnan,Vijayalakshmi,M A Sundaresan,Nagai Muralidharan who are not just violin accompanists,but great vidwans will not figure in SK any time.Only Mysore Nagaraj and Manjunath may stand slight chance if MA decides to confer on artists from Karnataka.
Similarly great Mridangam players like Mannargudi Eswaran,Guruvayur Durai etc will also not figure.
MA will be in a great hurry to confer the title on Bombay Jayashree,Sowmya,RaGa sisters etc
Chennai will also have more names for consideration and MA has its own criteria which made it not to confer on OS Tyagarajan and Vijaya Siva.
OS Tyagarajan is 68 years.

[cacm]

WHAT ABOUT DR.M.Narmadha? SHE HAS WRITTEN THE DEFINITIVE BOOK ON RAGAS IN N&S INDIAN MUSIC, has accompanied greats like T.S.Kalyanaraman
,is teaching violin in MUSIC ACADEMY, GREAT RESEARCHER, HAS PERFORMED IN OVER 6000 CONCERTS OVER 40 YEARS? VKV

[hnbhagavan]

Dear CACM,

Beg your pardon for the omission.definitely she deserves the MA award.

[Rsachi]

I suggest that violin should be recognised next year. There are many wonderful senior, seasoned, brilliantly talented, young violinists enriching Carnatic music on a daily basis. Some are foraying into vocal thinking of their career growth. But violin is key today to CM.
The sheer talent in violin is like the standard of tennis- it has gone up by leaps and bounds, with the gold standard set by the "trinity".
Let's make ourselves heard in one voice for the violin!

[kvchellappa]

Possibly putting together senior, instrument, outside TN, VVS amy be the pick.

[cacm]

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[cacm]

I suggest that violin should be recognised next year. There are many wonderful senior, seasoned, brilliantly talented, young violinists enriching Carnatic music on a daily basis. Some are foraying into vocal thinking of their career growth. But violin is key today to CM.
The sheer talent in violin is like the standard of tennis- it has gone up by leaps and bounds, with the gold standard set by the "trinity".
Let's make ourselves heard in one voice for the violin!

The violinists are FORCED TO FORAY INTO VOCAL because of the foolish nature of Sabhas in INDIA REG. Carnatic Music IN NOT GIVING OPPORTUNITIES TO INSTRUMENTALISTS.. ALL OF THEM HAVE TO BE VERY GOOD AT VOCAL TO accompany any decent vocalist. OUTSIDE of INDIA ESP. IN North America even BOB BROWN PREFERRED INSTRUMENTALISTS because if one is ANY GOOD at MUSIC SRUTI SWARASTHANAM & SARVA LAGHU SUDDHAM THATS THE MINIMUM for MUSIC ( BY DEFINITION). Cleveland fortunately is SMART enough to REPRESENT AT LEAST TWO CONCERTS IN MOST MAJOR INSTRUMENTS EVERY YEAR.
The reason N.Indian musicians are POPULAR WORLD WIDE is because of their adherence to THIS FUNDAMENTAL REQUIREMENT. I HESITATE TO TAKE ANY "FOREIGNER" to a Carnatic Music Vocal Concert bec THE VOCAL ARTISTS TYPICALLY are terrible in this FUNDAMENTAL area not to mention other deficiencies....GOD SAVE CARNATIC MUSIC.....VKV
P.S.: MMI as well as GNB , M.S., ETC VALUED THEIR ACCOMPANISTS & THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS & OPENLY ENCOURAGED THEM. The Current vogue of calling the rest "PAKKA VADYAM" IS RIDICULOUS as accompanists like Dr.M.MNarmadha, Ghatam Dr.Karthik for example KNOW MORE THAN THE MAIN ARTISTS & ARE FAR MORE COMPETENT....

[vasanthakokilam]

In that narrow context of projecting the violinists to a position of importance ( and not other aspects which we have discussed at length in other threads), would you consider what TMK does by treating the violinists as equal to him as something commendable? ( both in symbolism by the way they are seated and in substance by asking the violinist to take the lead on a song or two )

[Rsachi]

Sure. I know most vocalists in CM greatly depend on an understanding, supportive, melodious, AND not limelight-hogging! , violinist for their concert success.

But TMK openly acknowledges their role. One of his many good points, for me!

[KSJaishankar]

VK ... the problem we have here is for several posters on this forum, ANYTHING TMK does needs to be condemned, to the ridiculous extent that I remember some poster mentioning that it was unprofessional of TMK to ask the violinist to take the lead in the alapana, as the "accompanist" could not be expected to judge how long they should play in the absence of a "precedent" by the vocalist!

I also noticed that most people who have anything positive to say about TMK feel compelled to make a disclaimer that they are not his fan. Well, let me join that legion. I quite abhor his political views but that does nothing to prevent me from adoring his music, "idiosyncrasies" et al. If that classifies me as a razing schizophrenic, so be it.

[hnbhagavan]

The response of rasikas these days to instrumental concerts is very cold.The Sabhas cannot be totally blamed.I spoke to one of the office bearers who expressed the view that while famous vocalists draw full house,very famous Instrumentalists draw less crowd and empty seats can be seen.THis is true and people flock to RaGa sisters,sanjay,TMK,Bombay Jayashree etc.Gone are the full houses when Lalgudi or MSG uesd to play.

[Rsachi]

HNB,
You make an important point from the sabha secy. point of view.
Just like the Swarna Kamal national award does not go by box office collection, nor the Booker/Pulitzer/Sahitya Akademi award goes to the top seller pot boiler, by recognizing musical brilliance of an instrumentalist, the MA may be fulfilling its role in rewarding excellence, encouraging instrumental music, and creating the future Lalgudi etc.
The few who start drawing huge crowds are "packaging" the art well. But the art flourishes within, by sheer brilliance, diligence, self-criticism, and constant effort, to be at the top. These qualities are in full measure in even instrumentalists. If we fail to give them accolades and recognition, youngsters will work on the packaging vs. content.

[hnbhagavan]

RSachi,

The Organisations like Music Academy,BGS,Nadasurabhi,Ramaseva Mandali can play a very important role.Music Academy should have two awards - one vocal and other for instruments.One cannot have too many awards which will dilute the purpose.Similar should be the case with every sabha.With minor adjustments more instrumentalists can be recognised.In case of violinists,by accompanying different vocalists,after some experience,they become even better musicians.This fact was very much brought out by the violin trinity of modern era.This is to say that their all round development as compared to just playing second fiddle and should not be misunderstood as one to one comparison with pure vocalists.