Anil Srinivasan: Talk Back-A musical burden on harried schools and students - TOI

[ramamantra]

http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Arti ... 2015006016

[Rsachi]

Music teachers need to take on the additional burden, children take on the additional class per working day, and schools be made to pay for the additional resource. All of this will be perfectly justified if the one stakeholder in the process who is most important -the child -actually benefits from such intervention.

I think Anil Srinivasan is close to this subject and is showing how "the devil is in the detail". But I am hugely encouraged by his many statements here and elsewhere about his own very positive experiences and initiatives in this regard.

I am not a researcher or musician or educator or administrator. I defer to all these influencers. I am only a CM enthusiast and i feel very very strongly that Indian classical music is unique, and it is a major part of our cultural heritage. Every child will benefit from the exposure.

How is it to be done? How can it be done so learning becomes a joy?

[munirao2001]

RSachi,

How is it to be done? How can it be done so learning becomes a joy?

How and How best it can be done ?
The child's neuron networking and cognition are highest in the brain. Child is observes, imitates and gets happiness in reproduction or repetition. With instantaneous recognition and rewards, gets delighted. A strong desire for recognition and reward sets in. Enjoyment in learning is related also with the fun, puzzle, joy of discovery. Creation of conducive and creative environment; exposure; easy access; comfort in fast track understanding; opportunities to express-singing or performing showcasing the acquired talent; role model; coach, guide and mentor taking special and individual interest are the critical factors. Parents, elders, teachers and friends influence to form the desire, determination and will. With will, passion, efforts, action and results. Delivery of these elements are key factors. Imaginatively minimize the anxiety and fear factors for the creativity to gain strength and flourish in freedom. Pleasure or joy/delight of firmly sets in self discovery, also in endorsement, belief and faith. Continuity seeks support and promotion systems, free from false sense of pride and prejudice and undue favoritism. Ensure availability of quality time, resources, mental, physical health and well being.

Sir, sincerely not gyaan bhaaji but caring and sharing.

munirao2001

[Rsachi]

Yes sir. Thank you.

[varsha]

"the devil is in the detail"

Yup . Who would want to carry Anil's kind of instrument anywhere ?

How is it to be done? How can it be done so learning becomes a joy?

More schooling is definitely not the way . Less schooling is probably the way out .
Coupled with
1.Parents not living their own personal dreams through children.
2.Allowing children to dream and help them , if possible ,in their decisions .
3,Not setting great value on doing things fast or early or quickly .
4.Realising that there is no one single stand point for learning or teaching or appreciating
5.Taking time off to visit the countryside , climb trees , eat fruits straight from the branches , watch a sunset , let a train passing at a distance trigger some emotions , be awakened by a happy young couple walking fast in the countryside - back from work to a home kilometres away, Not travel always in the night to save on time , but in the day so that one can hear the songsters in the beggars , groundnut sellers , chaiwallahs .

And let the school be the place which aims to teach the kid what all he does not know ( to borrow a thought from Mark Twain ).

[Rsachi]

Dear Varsha,
This was a couple of days ago, as the sun was setting, and a fine rain had drenched these lovely flowers. I can live that moment for ever.

Words that rhyme:
Varsha = Rain
Arsha=Vedas
Harsha = Gladness
Karsha = Attraction
Tarsha= Desire
Sparsha = Touch
Irsha=Envy
Gharsha=Friction
Aamarsha= Anger/impatience
Vimarsha = Analysis

[varsha]

It is unfortunate that for education we have to get a quote from a Westerner

It was more unfortunate that I quoted wrongly, in a hurry . The original quote went on to say that students must not be allowed to leave a university until they know what they dont know .

As far as my getting a quote from a Westerner being unfortunate , the misfortune is not mine .

[Always_Evolving]

Varsha's post #5 deserves a double thumbs up. Thanks

[vasanthakokilam]

RSachi,

How is it to be done? How can it be done so learning becomes a joy?

How and How best it can be done ?
The child's neuron networking and cognition are highest in the brain. Child is observes, imitates and gets happiness in reproduction or repetition. With instantaneous recognition and rewards, gets delighted. A strong desire for recognition and reward sets in. Enjoyment in learning is related also with the fun, puzzle, joy of discovery. Creation of conducive and creative environment; exposure; easy access; comfort in fast track understanding; opportunities to express-singing or performing showcasing the acquired talent; role model; coach, guide and mentor taking special and individual interest are the critical factors. Parents, elders, teachers and friends influence to form the desire, determination and will. With will, passion, efforts, action and results. Delivery of these elements are key factors. Imaginatively minimize the anxiety and fear factors for the creativity to gain strength and flourish in freedom. Pleasure or joy/delight of firmly sets in self discovery, also in endorsement, belief and faith. Continuity seeks support and promotion systems, free from false sense of pride and prejudice and undue favoritism. Ensure availability of quality time, resources, mental, physical health and well being.

Sir, sincerely not gyaan bhaaji but caring and sharing.

munirao2001

Well written Munirao. That can be the basis for designing any fun educational activity: Observe, Imitate, recognize, reward, role model, nonjudgemental environment that is conducive to experimentation and learning....

My nephew's daughter who is going to be 2 soon is in that phase of learning you are talking about. It is quite a joy to watch her learn. The puzzle part of it is all there as to how it all happens. She uses a word that no one taught her. How and where did she pick that up?

Two other factors for effective learning on top of your wonderful ingredients : getting the balance right of self opinion vs other's opinion ( this is a life long learning ), not to take oneself too seriously while at the same time maintaining abundant self confidence ( this way if someone mocks you in good humor or even puts you down with a bit malice or jealousy, you can take it in stride in stead of getting too worked up about it which can be a joy-killer.).

[harimau]

Yup . Who would want to carry Anil's kind of instrument anywhere ?

I have seen people carrying the keyboard when riding the pillion on a scooter, no sweat!

By the way, that is what he plays most of the time.

One time the concert was advertised as being on a grand piano, I watched them unload an upright!

Not travel always in the night to save on time , but in the day so that one can hear the songsters in the beggars , groundnut sellers , chaiwallahs .

The song "Yen palli kondeer ayya" is sung to Mohanan and sometimes the second charanam in Kapi.

The Dhanammal school disciples sing it in Madhyamavathi.

The story is that either Dhanammal or her daughter (don't remember who) heard a beggar woman sing it in Madhyamavathi, brought her home and learnt that song in Madhyamavathi and passed it on to their students.

[harimau]

My nephew's daughter who is going to be 2 soon is in that phase of learning you are talking about. It is quite a joy to watch her learn. The puzzle part of it is all there as to how it all happens. She uses a word that no one taught her. How and where did she pick that up?

From her father when he is driving in traffic when some doofus cuts in.

If the family were in LA, she would have learnt drive-by shooting by now!

[vasanthakokilam]

[munirao2001]

vasanthakokilam Sir,

getting the balance right of self opinion vs other's opinion

The coach, guide and mentor has to take up this to educate the child and inculcate as a trait and character. A child 's emotional vulnerability needs mental training. This requires efforts. Even Adults, childish without training find it difficult to get the balance and its continuity.

not to take oneself too seriously while at the same time maintaining abundant self confidence

In acts of thinking, learning, practicing and expressing/communicating in creative endeavor, with permissible vulnerability of a creative person, one self has to be serious be it a child or adult. This seriousness only enables the attainment of self confidence. The seriousness enables the understanding of one's own attainment, achievement and joy. Also strengthens to objectively view any criticism and critical appreciation.

munirao2001

[munirao2001]

RSachi Sir,

You have the knack of raising the question on critical issue which results in meaningful dialogue. I am posting my article on "Art Of Parenting To Bridge The Generation Gap", which has a relationship with this topic/thread.

"Parent and Child Relationship

1. Parent & Child: Parent desires the pleasure of child's behavior and detests the misbehavior. In this stage,
child learns by observation, imitation and trials. Behavior, communication and actions of Parent is very
critical, mostly related to the internal environment. Child also is exposed to external environment. Desires
aspirations, communication, behavior and actions reflect the effects of both the internal and external
environment. Authority, Image and power influences create the urge and drives with role models -Parents,
neighbors, friends, teachers and celebrities, either directly or indirectly. Parent, after a few years become
the administrator, creating the infrastructure for growth and development.
2. Parent - Adult: The expectations and demands on each other fueled by the desires and aspirations results
in determination, will, behavior, action and reaction. The child wants to derive pleasure with the new found
attachment and relationship and parent wants obedience and following, unquestioningly. Challenge for the
negation of authority, image, belief and faith have to be met intelligently by both, in relationship. Parent,
ideally to take up the role of guide, coach and mentor with support. Also most importantly help in the
attainment and realization of pleasure in thinking, analyzing, inferring, deciding and acting with aims and
objectives. The pleasure of parent is now in their own understanding, appreciation and realization of child's
attainment, realization and potential.
3. Parent- Grown up Child: Parent watch, comment and communicate their observation and suggest-as a
commentator, without pride and prejudice. Parent by his/her action and achievement set example and pride.
Child develops respect or disrespect. Rules, regulations, command, threat will not work. Ideally the
relationship now rests on friendliness, mutual respect and love.
4. Parent- Matured Adult Child: Independence established in mutual appreciation and respect, the role takes
up the challenge of Philosopher in establishing clarity, understanding and meaning. It is very important, the
insights to end the faith and beliefs. Need is for strong tangential relationship, the connectivity of mutual help and
supportive action, unconditionally. Ideally, parent and child, both attain the self fulfillment."

muniraO2001