A HUMBLE TRIBUTE

[rvkrishnamurthy]

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp ... 482573.ece

RVK

[cacm]

NICE POSTING! CONGRAGULATIONS.....Keep up the postings about POSITIVE THINGS ESP. ABOUT ROHAN which all of us like to hear about. FORGET TRYING TO IMPROVE VARIOUS NEGATIVE ASPECTS WHICH YOU ARE PRONE TO WRITE ABOUT AS MANY OF THEM ARE FLAT WRONG....KEEP UP THIS TYPE OF GOOD WORK. VKV

[arasi]

Mods,
This thread, a tribute to that humble man, can be merged with the other thread where tributes to Abdul Kalam are being posted. No need to spawn new threads. Hope I make sense...

[msakella]

The tribute is very nice. But ‘FORGET TRYING TO IMPROVE VARIOUS NEGATIVE ASPECTS WHICH YOU ARE PRONE TO WRITE ABOUT AS MANY OF THEM ARE FLAT WRONG....KEEP UP THIS TYPE OF GOOD WORK’ is not at all nice and I cannot agree with you at all.

It is sheer foolishness if we think ‘all is well’ and proceed further turning a deaf ear towards the harmful things the poor ignorants of the society are facing. I very sincerely feel that it is a great sin and crime if a knowledgeable person does it in this very sad and deplorable manner.

The ignorant and innocent society has always been suffering from such harmful acts of the knowledgeable persons made by themselves by their sheer selfishness totally ignoring about their own duties and responsibilities. Far more than an ordinary person, while it is the duty and responsibility of the knowledgeable person to save the society it is a pity that this knowledgeable person becomes more dangerous than any other ordinary person due to his selfish, conservative, egoistic and adamant attitudes.

As far as I know this is what happening now in respect of our Karnataka music, in particular, since many centuries. But, as a knowledgeable person (you, being ignorant, may think that I am not that knowledgeable. That is different.) if I point out any such evil every Tom and Dick comes out and condemn my actions in one way or the other but does nothing to remove that evil. Till now, this is my past experience and I never saw even a single person doing something in the right direction.

In my teaching life, only by the grace of the Almighty, even after my retirement, I could properly introspect myself and do something helpful to the society in the right direction. Even this, I can authoritatively write very strictly basing upon the amazing end-results only. In this respect, as I have become confident enough that I am delivering my duties and responsibilities properly I don’t care even if an ignorant person criticizes me to the bottom. amsharma

[rvkrishnamurthy]

"NICE POSTING! CONGRAGULATIONS.....Keep up the postings about POSITIVE THINGS ESP. ABOUT ROHAN which all of us like to hear about. FORGET TRYING TO IMPROVE VARIOUS NEGATIVE ASPECTS WHICH YOU ARE PRONE TO WRITE ABOUT AS MANY OF THEM ARE FLAT WRONG....KEEP UP THIS TYPE OF GOOD WORK. VKV"

Thank you for your compliment. My postings are NOT WRONG. They are based on facts. They may be "Negative" to some, such as you. That is fine. They have every right not to agree with me and a duty to prove me wrong by providing facts.During the past 15 years or more I have dealt with musicians(prodigies to Padmavibhusnhans) and organizations in India and the US and when I say something it is based on my personal experience. Not something pulled out of the air. I have restrained from naming names ( I will stick to do that for ever) since that is unethical and will bring more dirty linen into public.
RVK

[cacm]

Akella Garu, IF YOU HAVE DEALT WITH THE LIES FROM THIS PERSON FOR OVER 10 YEARS about CLEVELAND & MANY VOLUNTEERS YOU WILL UNDERSTAND. FRANKLY I DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK. VKV

[cacm]

[quote="rvkrishnamurthy"]"NICE POSTING! CONGRAGULATIONS.....Keep up the postings about POSITIVE THINGS ESP. ABOUT ROHAN which all of us like to hear about. FORGET TRYING TO IMPROVE VARIOUS NEGATIVE ASPECTS WHICH YOU ARE PRONE TO WRITE ABOUT AS MANY OF THEM ARE FLAT WRONG....KEEP UP THIS TYPE OF GOOD WORK. VKV"

Thank you for your compliment. My postings are NOT WRONG. They are based on facts. They may be "Negative" to some, such as you. That is fine. They have every right not to agree with me and a duty to prove me wrong by providing facts.During the past 15 years or more I have dealt with musicians(prodigies to Padmavibhusnhans) and organizations in India and the US and when I say something it is based on my personal experience. Not something pulled out of the air. I have restrained from naming names ( I will stick to do that for ever) since that is unethical and will bring more dirty linen into public. ...YOU HAVE NOT OBEYED YOUR OWN RULE!
I HAVE DEALT WITH MANY MANY ARTISTS (PRACTICALLY EVERY MAJOR SOUTH INDIAN MUSICIAN FROM 1949, ORGANISERS, ORGANISATIONS,SCIENTISTS (MORE THAN 30 NOBEL LAURATES FOR EXAMPLE) BUT THESE ARE NOT WHAT DECIDES WHETHER WHAT I SAY MAKES SENSE. TRUTH IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS. THERE YOU DO NOT GET A PASSING GRADE. VKV

[rvkrishnamurthy]

"I HAVE DEALT WITH MANY MANY ARTISTS (PRACTICALLY EVERY MAJOR SOUTH INDIAN MUSICIAN FROM 1949, ORGANISERS, ORGANISATIONS,SCIENTISTS (MORE THAN 30 NOBEL LAURATES FOR EXAMPLE) BUT THESE ARE NOT WHAT DECIDES WHETHER WHAT I SAY MAKES SENSE. TRUTH IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS. THERE YOU DO NOT GET A PASSING GRADE. VKV"

Great VKV who ever you are. I wish you were among the Nobel Laureates you claim to have "dealt" with. Remember I spent seven years at CalTech and had the opportunity to meet with (not "deal" with as you claim. I am too small to "deal" with them) 50 Nobel Laureates many from CalTech (including Linus Pauling and Richard Feynman) and others like Dr Crick, Dr Mossbauer, Dr Chandrashekar etc from outside. This has nothing to do with the dark side of CM. Stop name dropping.

[cacm]

"rvkrishnamurthy"]"I HAVE DEALT WITH MANY MANY ARTISTS (PRACTICALLY EVERY MAJOR SOUTH INDIAN MUSICIAN FROM 1949, ORGANISERS, ORGANISATIONS,SCIENTISTS (MORE THAN 30 NOBEL LAURATES FOR EXAMPLE) BUT THESE ARE NOT WHAT DECIDES WHETHER WHAT I SAY MAKES SENSE. TRUTH IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS. THERE YOU DO NOT GET A PASSING GRADE. VKV"
Great VKV who ever you are. I wish you were among the Nobel Laureates you claim to have "dealt" with. Remember I spent seven years at CalTech and had the opportunity to meet with (not "deal" with as you claim. I am too small to "deal" with them) 50 Nobel Laureates many from CalTech (including Linus Pauling and Richard Feynman) and others like Dr Crick, Dr Mossbauer, Dr Chandrashekar etc from outside. This has nothing to do with the dark side of CM. Stop name dropping.
I am Dr.V.K.Viswanathan of LOS ALAMOS, N.M. I WAITED TEN years to write what I did because YOU were trying to impress me with your great connections the only time I have met you in CLEVELAND & in posts here. NOW that we have cleared our great connections let me repeat again YOU are single handedly pulling down ALL the goodwill & admiration your son so richly deserves. The LESS YOU WRITE BETTER OFF HIS BRIGHT FUTURE IS GOING TO BE. from a 81 year old person who means well. VKV

[rvkrishnamurthy]

"I am Dr.V.K.Viswanathan of LOS ALAMOS, N.M. I WAITED TEN years to write what I did because YOU were trying to impress me with your great connections the only time I have met you in CLEVELAND & in posts here. NOW that we have cleared our great connections let me repeat again YOU are single handedly pulling down ALL the goodwill & admiration your son so richly deserves. The LESS YOU WRITE BETTER OFF HIS BRIGHT FUTURE IS GOING TO BE. from a 81 year old person who means well. VKV"

VKV Sir

Namaskaram. Thank you for telling me who you are. I do not remembe meeting you or trying to "impress you with my connections". I can understand at your age these imaginary feeling will prop up. But I admire the fact that at 81 you are so keen to write on musical aspects. I may not even live up to your age. I do have collaborated with Los Alamos scientists on stable isotope geochemistry. Also please don't worry about Rohan. He is doing great and I don't think the Rasikas posters can change his life. He doesn't even visit this site.
I would certainly like to talk to you and learn more physics from you. I want to know what is the color of a proton? This is what I asked Dr Feynman and he had no answer. If your field is some thing else, I would still like to learn a thing or two. My number is 269-547-9796. We can also talk music.
RVK

[cacm]

rvk,
I knew Professor Feynman very well. Actually he was to have come to Los Alamos to deliver a special talk & he called & said he could not come. In 10 days he was gone....What a great & humble but very frank man he was.....Your QUESTION IS a very good one & his answer typifies his honesty...
There is no imaginary feeling propping up. We did meet in Cleveland briefly when Rohan performed in Cleveland a few years back. Thank goodness Rohan does not visit this site. He has better things to do. VKV

[arasi]

High time the mods took just the first post of the professor to the Tribute to Kalam thread.I know, there's too much going on here at the moment which is mind bending. Rasikas is getting to be a mini kurukshEtra, all the fighting not for the cause of establishing any truth, thank you. It's a ghat where linen, dirty or not is being vigorously washed to rags? Beat 'em with a stick and those clad in them too, excuse me!

In all this, let the Bharath Ratna and lesser human beings need not be dragged through dirt, as if they desreve this treatment.

In thread after thread (many being spun at the drop of a hat), the scenario is getting wilder by the post, and Rasikas.org looks like Rasikas in Wonderland too. No, I'm not the Queen of Hearts with her whimsical statements to hurt and hurl those around her. Just that it's doubly painful to a lot of us when we have lost Kalam and haven't even had a moment to pause and mull over his life. What he meant to the young and to humanity perhaps didn't mean a half penny's worth to us?

Humor is a healer, if meant well, has good will at heart and elicits laughter of a healthy kind. The other kind borders on slander and lacks decorum.

My! Didn't know where I could shed my tears, in which thread, and here I am, and it's meant for each and every thread which has caught this virus of ill will and distresses us no end...

Not all emoticons can possibly convey my disappointment in grown adults, that too when the top crop of bright minds is getting their hands dirty in this on going street fight...

[music1234]

This post for once was a clean post and there was no necessity for a retort by CACM at least in this thread.

It only shows the animosity that we humans have against others.

No music Sabha or organization on musicians are above board. They all have certain negativities and we need to accept that with a pinch of salt.

There is no necessity for someone to defend Cleveland so much in public. If someone is no happy, so be it ! The more it is defended, it only casts doubts on the transparency that is under question !!

The dirty linen is washed so much that it has started to leave a stink. Better that this is avoided !!

[ganesh_mourthy]

Very true. The first post of the thread took a different spin sooner , or rather immediately. Usually this happens after a couple of pages passes by where you can see such animosity slowly creeping in. But then often nowadays it is is knee-jerk, which usually moves from cleveland to sanjay to scientists like a herd effect, which is a shame.

[gardabha_gana]

I agree with arasi.

[VK RAMAN]

rvk vs cacm = wordy duel. Both seem to be seniors and their wordy duel makes us dumpfounded

[vasanthakokilam]

It is easy to understand, may be it is harder to explain in a public forum with 100% impartiality. I am not even going to attempt that here since my own explanation will be a point of discussion which is not the need of the hour. All everyone needs do for themselves is to put down known facts and interpret what happened in this specific thread as a side effect of all that past history. This too will pass. So do not exaggerate it beyond what it actually is. That is the request I make. I will do my janitorial job on this thread later once the dust settles.

[kvchellappa]

'Dumpfounded' is a nice coinage as in any case we are not dumbfounded!

[vasanthakokilam]

kvchellappa I noticed it as well. 'Dumpfounded' a new word to mean 'Found ourselves in a dump'. Not to make fun of a typo but funny given the context of the whole discussion

[Nick H]

Not to make fun of a typo ...

I love a good typo --- and sometimes, like the freudian slip, they do provide meaning beyond the intention of the typist

[kvchellappa]

I enjoyed the slip and thought it was a useful new word where we are found in the dump in a cross-fire. No offence meant and hope Sri VKR has taken none. Anyway apologies if it is off-the-cuff.

[VK RAMAN]

I like the twist. Yes meaning beyond the intention of the typist - a career I chose some 54 years ago

[RKrishnamurthy]

VKV"rvk,
I knew Professor Feynman very well. Actually he was to have come to Los Alamos to deliver a special talk & he called & said he could not come. In 10 days he was gone....What a great & humble but very frank man he was.....Your QUESTION IS a very good one & his answer typifies his honesty...
There is no imaginary feeling propping up. We did meet in Cleveland briefly when Rohan performed in Cleveland a few years back. Thank goodness Rohan does not visit this site. He has better things to do. VKV"

Honorable VKV
I don't deny that you knew Fenyman much better than I did. I was after all a Post Doc where as you were a big shot at Los Alamos. As for Rohan and my postings, he either never visits this site or if he did, he doesn't agree with what ever I post. His views have been always to do "some thing productive" and he feels my postings in this forum is a waste of time. So he and I are on opposite poles as far as my postings are concerned. Any way I have made a resolution. In future I will only post factual materiel that deals with Rohan's activities so that those of you who are not keeping track are informed. I would still like to get to know you if only because of your scholarship and contributions to CM in NA.
Prof RVK