T.M Krishna, Krishna Fine Arts Society Nanganallur (21st Sept 15)

[bhaskaran19]

T.M Krishna, Vocal Concert
Dr R Hemalatha
Poongulam Subramanian.
Venue :Krishna Fine Arts Society Nanganallur (21st Sept 15)
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An awesome concert from Shri T.M Krishna with Dr Hemalatha lending an excellent support in violin it was all the more delightful treat.
Highlights
1)He started off with brilliantly with laavaNya raamaa
2) Wholesome treat of naDacinaDaci
3) Mesmerizing mAtE_malayadwaja in khamAs
4) baarO krishNayyaa for the asking
5) Concludes with his popular varadaraja pahivi bho Nottusvarams
6) Brilliant “Thani” by Poongulam Subramanian.
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Though the rasikas were restless because of his delayed arrival – but then one has to have patience for quality stuff.
List of songs:
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1) laavaNya raamaa poornashadjam r: Tyaagaraaja
2) Ninnu kori yunna -Mohanam Ramnad Sreenivasa Iyengar
3) naDacinaDaci : kharaharapriyaa : Tyaagaraaja
4) nIvADa_nEgAna_nikhilalOka sAranga tyAgarAja
5) mAtE_malayadwaja- khamAs muthaiah_bAgavatar
6) kELanO hari tALanO kalyANi... Purandara Dasa
7) baarO krishNayyaa maanD, Kanaka Daasa
8) varadaraja pahivi bho Nottusvarams Muttusvami Dıksitar

[rshankar]

Shouldn't the noTTsvaram be
varadarAja pAhi vibho and not pAhivi bho?

[vichu1947]

It appears no stunts such as varnam as main item or alapana as a main item were presented

Though the rasikas were restless because of his delayed arrival – but then one has to have patience for quality stuff.

No justification can be made for lack of punctuality

Will he go 30 mins late to Music Academy concert

Is he taking the Nanganallur crowd for granted ?

[HarishankarK]

It appears no stunts such as varnam as main item or alapana as a main item were presented

Though the rasikas were restless because of his delayed arrival – but then one has to have patience for quality stuff.

No justification can be made for lack of punctuality

Is he taking the Nanganallur crowd for granted ?

Reading your response and comments clearly indicates your resentment of T M Krishna.
We only know that he was late. We donot know WHY he was late. Maybe there was a genuine reason - or traffic or something else. Before making such a statement we need to understand whether T M K is regularly late to all his concerts. Has this been a pattern?

"
Will he go 30 mins late to Music Academy concert
"
T M K has clearly stated that he will no longer sing at the academy so your question is invalid.

Whatever and wherever T M K sings, he sings well. That's all that matters ! And people have started getting accustomed to his style.

[vichu1947]

Reading your response and comments clearly indicates your resentment of T M Krishna.

Of course. I resent his "innovations" and his acts to seek attention ...

We only know that he was late. We donot know WHY he was late.

Who cares. I heard from one of the attendees that he did not even offer a token "sorry" for his delay.

Maybe there was a genuine reason - or traffic or something else.

Lame , standard , beaten to death excuse,. One should always factor and set aside some time for traffic in chennai.

Before making such a statement we need to understand whether T M K is regularly late to all his concerts. Has this been a pattern?

you may please do a research on this topic , if that helps.

T M K has clearly stated that he will no longer sing at the academy so your question is invalid.

MA is just a figurative example. No need to latch on to it. If you wish you can substitute it with Shamukhananda Hall / Royal Albert hall / Opera house etc

Whatever and wherever T M K sings, he sings well. That's all that matters ! And people have started getting accustomed to his style.

That may be your view. That does not mean everyone likes his "experiments" with tradition.

[SrinathK]

@HarishankarK, This all started with that coffee table book that didn't feature Madurai Mani Iyer. When asked about it, the answer of TMK which I have heard was well -- not at all diplomatically handled and downright offensive to MMI fans. What you are seeing has been the case ever since -- at least as far as I have read on the rasikas forum.

Most of the dislike you see has little to do with the music itself -- it is not neravals or ragam tanam varnams that is actually angering fans (for that matter Kalpanaswarams in varnams is a well known practice). I'll also let you know that our mind is a powerful thing -- when you're in awe of someone's genius, even their instances of bad behaviour is readily excusable. But when your mind has decided to dislike someone, no good can ever be seen in anything they do. Then again, the philosophy of Jiddu Krishnamurthy and those newspaper articles.... that is something clearly a base breaker.

[kvchellappa]

Sore points about TMK which do not quit my weak mind:
1. There was not a single programme of TMK attended by me which was on time. It is never in his nature to say sorry. (I have attended many incl. one on 27th Sep. 2015).
2. He used to talk roughly to anyone recording the event. I am 100% with him that no one should record an event if he is not agreeable, but the manner how he makes it known is raw. (There is another artist also who is like that).
3. He makes a public fuss and creates a ruckus if there is something not going well say with the mike, etc.
4. He talks and giggles with fellow artists during a concert.
5. He uses expressions which are offensive to other artists, like, for instance, on those starting a concert with varnam. (let them warm up at home and come. He never comes with his tambura tuned. It takes inordinate time to get two tamburas tuned. He used harsher expression about starting a concert with varnam.)
6. He insinuates that only he is open-minded and well-informed on evolution of music. He says that others have a closed mind and do not want to join in the debate.
7. He is arrogant with no shadow of doubt.

His music fails to attract me now with these impressions rankling in my ego, apart from my inability to appreciate a random order and vilambakalam predominating. The lines are drawn between those who want to look at only the quality of the uruppadis sung, and those who want to go by the total picture.

[ramamantra]

Hi Vichu1947, While I agree with almost all your fitting responses, the only thing that still lurks in my mind is: if so, why did you even bother to attend his concert? Or, were you part of the organizing committee and had to show your presence, however much you resented

[vichu1947]

Hi Vichu1947, While I agree with almost all your fitting responses, the only thing that still lurks in my mind is: if so, why did you even bother to attend his concert? Or, were you part of the organizing committee and had to show your presence, however much you resented

I never said I attended that concert.

I have said I heard from one of the attendees that he did not even offer a token "sorry" for his delay.

[vasanthakokilam]

I am reading a management book which sort of touches on the topic Srinath and Chellappa talk about.

It goes like this.

We observe, we decide and we act. But things are not quite simple.

Affecting the observations, decisions and actions is our internal orientation.

That orientation is made up of many things: Previous Experience, Cultural Traditions, Genetic Heritage, who we are as individuals, those who were with us when we grow up that conditioned us, those who are with us now that condition us, new information, analysis & synthesis. etc.

It would be simple if that is all there is to it. But our observations, decisions and actions affect our internal orientation.

It is one heck of a messy system and is all setup that way so the species can survive.

Now imagine the mess when such messy selves interact!!

[varsha]

Et tu, veekay !!!
Then fall , clearly articulated Posts

[kvchellappa]

It is said pithily, 'We see as we are.'

[vasanthakokilam]

And the feedback loop makes it 'We are what we see'

[arasi]

We see things as what we've been and become--
If we take a side step, see from another view--
At least try, we may 'become' a bit wiser?
Stagnant ideas stay, ones which flow grow??

[kvchellappa]

VK, it is about the same.
At any time, we see as we are and we are what we see. That does not mean we are the same always. Just as they say about market that the price has already discounted all publicly known information, what we are at a time has discounted our experience to that point.
On the thread, I have not seen new points that will make me different for now. As for TMK, I attended the lec.-demo as I value his knowledge and incisive mind, but got no new input. I will still listen to him whenever he talks on music.

[shankarank]

Strange loops??!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_loop

[shankarank]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros

[shankarank]

That makes me a symbolic ritualist and a scientific tantric - some delusion of grandeur imagining myself in a T.M Krishna article - still sane in the realm of art?

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... ight-times

[ramamantra]

Wondering if the great TMK sang in MS centenary celebrations...

if so, what wld he have started with - Vishnu sahasranamam (making audience sleep), sub-main: 'kurai romba irukku' (a take on kurai onrum illai), main - rtp on few lines from 'man chakkar rakho jee' (meera bhajan) and ended with the English songs she sang for the UN.

[kvchellappa]

TMK has sung soulfully many MS popularised songs like Bhaja Govindam, Viditakhila, etc.

[vasanthakokilam]

They share some common musical lineage thru Semmangudi, don't they?

Just as they say about market that the price has already discounted all publicly known information, what we are at a time has discounted our experience to that point.

Interesting take. Something to think about.

[vichu1947]

They share some common musical lineage thru Semmangudi, don't they?

TMK learnt under Sri Seetarama Sarma for a major period

however, being "brand sensitive", he went to SSI for a small period of time so that he can project that brand

[ramamantra]

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... ight-times

Herculean task it is to just read the verbal diarrhea of insanity in the making.

[kvchellappa]

It was SSI who made the first move. SSI heard him and asked him to come and learn from him. SSI was eager to teach as many people as possible. He taught 2 songs to Sanjay (Narayanagowla and Paras). TMK learnt for 7 or 8 years from SSI. TMK has learnt from Chingleet Ranganathan also. Now, I think he has evolved his own style. He has done extensive reasearch into SSP and also about the evolution of ragas. We have to be fair and true to facts. TMK's vidwat and honesty have never been in doubt.

[bhakthim dehi]

He also created his own style in interpreting the songs in SSP to such an extent that Sri Subbarama dikshithar, if he is alive, will learn his version.

[vasanthakokilam]

however, being "brand sensitive", he went to SSI for a small period of time so that he can project that brand

Vichu, What is your source for this 'info'?

[vasanthakokilam]

He also created his own style in interpreting the songs in SSP to such an extent that Sri Subbarama dikshithar, if he is alive, will learn his version.

I thought he was the one who recorded the songs notated in SSP as close to a literal interpretation and observed that they sound quite different from how they are sung today. (http://www.kmtrust.org/jnanarnava/Files ... ournal.pdf )

What are you talking about?

[KSJaishankar]

VK - you are actually expecting a sane and rational answer to your question? This is the anti-TMK brigade on the charge. Akin to the (in)famous Light Brigade of the Crimean War, their charge will find its own Tennyson to eulogise what was essentially an act of rank insanity, arising from poor or no information.

[vichu1947]

however, being "brand sensitive", he went to SSI for a small period of time so that he can project that brand

Vichu, What is your source for this 'info'?

A very highly respectable person in music world. Unfortunately I can not name him due to obvious reasons

[prashant]

however, being "brand sensitive", he went to SSI for a small period of time so that he can project that brand

Vichu, What is your source for this 'info'?

A very highly respectable person in music world. Unfortunately I can not name him due to obvious reasons

Pics or it didn't happen yo! #balderdash

[SrinathK]

Ah, an ode to those who appear only in topics like these.

[YLRAMESH]

It appears no stunts such as varnam as main item or alapana as a main item were presented

Though the rasikas were restless because of his delayed arrival – but then one has to have patience for quality stuff.

No justification can be made for lack of punctuality

Is he taking the Nanganallur crowd for granted ?

Reading your response and comments clearly indicates your resentment of T M Krishna.
We only know that he was late. We donot know WHY he was late. Maybe there was a genuine reason - or traffic or something else. Before making such a statement we need to understand whether T M K is regularly late to all his concerts. Has this been a pattern?

"
Will he go 30 mins late to Music Academy concert
"
T M K has clearly stated that he will no longer sing at the academy so your question is invalid.

Whatever and wherever T M K sings, he sings well. That's all that matters ! And people have started getting accustomed to his style.

''TMK always starts 15-20 mins late and ends well before time, of late''