Hi,
Happy New Year to all.
Can somebody tell me what's the talam for this? I tried using adhi talam but I think it does not work. I tried the talam from .027
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quVCNXVPe4Y
Thank you.
what is the talam?
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laya2
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Re: what is the talam?
Hi
Thank you for your reply.
But can you tell me from where does the talam start. I am sorry I am not trained in classical music.
Thank you for your reply.
But can you tell me from where does the talam start. I am sorry I am not trained in classical music.
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vasanthakokilam
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Re: what is the talam?
I agree it is difficult to know when the talam starts. But I went with Adi because the Veena plays to a 8 beat cycle.
Here is how I looked at it. But I am a total amateur at this and also I do not know bharathanatyam conventions on where things begin and end. I am going by typically what happens in a CM song.
Hope a mridangist or people more skilled at this chime in.
Let us work backwards. The mridangam finishes at 1:21. Per CM convention, that is on the first beat of a new 8 beat cycle.
Another anchor point is at 1:12 which the mridangist plays to the heavy stress in the music. That is a beginning of another tala cycle. If you start counting from that point, you will reach 1:21 in two avarthanams.
If you listen back further, at 00:58 you can sense the beginning of another cycle of veena play.
Another tala cycle begins at the beat at 00:48.
(Veena starts playing a bit before that which may have caused you some confusion. It looks like Veena either missed the beginning of the cycle or started one avarthanam earlier. It restarts on the next avarthanam. If you ignore that and start counting Adi from the beat on 00:48, things line up)
Going back further, after the mridangist plays a theermanam like thing, the Jalra starts. The first Jalra sound at 00:28 needs to be treated as the 7th beat of the cycle for everything else to line up after that.
If we take the time when mridangist starts playing the theermanam sequence (00:21) as the beginning of the cycle, then the first jalra sound does fall on the 7th beat. But the theermanam sequence is way too syncopated for me to be confident that I kept the beat correctly.
(The correctness of the above rests on the assumption that the first Jalra sound at 00:28 is the 7th beat. Is it normal to start that on the 7th beat? On the other hand, the corroborative evidence that it is indeed the 7th beat is, after a Ching-Chuck-Ching, there is no or muted jalra sound for 3 beats and then it continues the Ching-Chuck pattern. That 3 beat gap can be interpreted as the 3 beats of the laghu which puts the first jalra sound on the 7th beat and everything else fits together well. For the rest of the section jalra seems to play the Ching-Chuck alternting pattern without any consideration for laghu.)
Someone more adept at this need to validate all of the above. But it was fun doing this.
Here is how I looked at it. But I am a total amateur at this and also I do not know bharathanatyam conventions on where things begin and end. I am going by typically what happens in a CM song.
Hope a mridangist or people more skilled at this chime in.
Let us work backwards. The mridangam finishes at 1:21. Per CM convention, that is on the first beat of a new 8 beat cycle.
Another anchor point is at 1:12 which the mridangist plays to the heavy stress in the music. That is a beginning of another tala cycle. If you start counting from that point, you will reach 1:21 in two avarthanams.
If you listen back further, at 00:58 you can sense the beginning of another cycle of veena play.
Another tala cycle begins at the beat at 00:48.
(Veena starts playing a bit before that which may have caused you some confusion. It looks like Veena either missed the beginning of the cycle or started one avarthanam earlier. It restarts on the next avarthanam. If you ignore that and start counting Adi from the beat on 00:48, things line up)
Going back further, after the mridangist plays a theermanam like thing, the Jalra starts. The first Jalra sound at 00:28 needs to be treated as the 7th beat of the cycle for everything else to line up after that.
If we take the time when mridangist starts playing the theermanam sequence (00:21) as the beginning of the cycle, then the first jalra sound does fall on the 7th beat. But the theermanam sequence is way too syncopated for me to be confident that I kept the beat correctly.
(The correctness of the above rests on the assumption that the first Jalra sound at 00:28 is the 7th beat. Is it normal to start that on the 7th beat? On the other hand, the corroborative evidence that it is indeed the 7th beat is, after a Ching-Chuck-Ching, there is no or muted jalra sound for 3 beats and then it continues the Ching-Chuck pattern. That 3 beat gap can be interpreted as the 3 beats of the laghu which puts the first jalra sound on the 7th beat and everything else fits together well. For the rest of the section jalra seems to play the Ching-Chuck alternting pattern without any consideration for laghu.)
Someone more adept at this need to validate all of the above. But it was fun doing this.
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laya2
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Re: what is the talam?
Hi
Thank you for your explanation. I had earlier tried from the same duration and found it does not come to the talam.
I don't know how to call it adhi talam when I don't know where to start the talam and end the talam.
If somebody can tell me that it would be great.
thank you.
Thank you for your explanation. I had earlier tried from the same duration and found it does not come to the talam.
I don't know how to call it adhi talam when I don't know where to start the talam and end the talam.
If somebody can tell me that it would be great.
thank you.
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vasanthakokilam
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Re: what is the talam?
Start the adi thalam at the beat at 00:30 and see if you can make it fit. After 11 avarthanams, It should end on the first beat of Adi at 1:21