Some light-hearted banter - CM, the true melting pot

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rshankar
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Carnatic music is considered to be a truly quintessential part of South Indian (particularly tamizh, especially tambram) identity, but really, what part of it is truly tamizh?

The language of the vast majority of the songs performed is not tamizh

The mrudangam was brought to TN by the marAThAs - http://m.thehindu.com/news/cities/chenn ... 009625.ece (along with the other thing considered quintessentially tamizh - sAmbAr - I wonder what the 'gods' that rule TN these days make of these 'heretical' [apacAram may be a better word!] statements... :))

The favored accompanying instrument (violin or the fiddle) came from the west (traveling to those parts of the world where the violin originated from was considered grounds for ex-communication for tambrams not so very long ago, IIRC)....

And by the way, this is all in good humor....

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The Raghunatha veena (what we call veena these days) was invented by Govinda Dikshita who migrated from Mysore to Tanjavur at the time of Raghunatha Nayaka.
The valuable publication of Publications Division of the Government entitled “Musical Instruments of India” (by S Krishnaswami, 1993) says that Raghunatha Nayak, Ruler of Thanjavur (1614 - 1632), and his prime minister and musicologist Govinda Dikshita modified the then existing veena - the Saraswati Veena - with 24 fixed frets (mettu), so that all ragas could be played. Hence the name “Thanjavur Veena” and to this day Ragunatha Nayak is considered to be the Father of the Thanjavur Veena.
Link: http://pib.nic.in/newsite/mbErel.aspx?relid=92288

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Good one, Sachi avaré!

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As per News report, the GI tag for Tanjavur Veena was handed over to the family in 2014.
It is interesting to note that one of the manufacturers of this Veena in Chennai - Srutilaya - mostly are Maharashtrians settled in Tamil Nadu for centuries. In fact, this community has contributed more for Arts. I understand that Cine Actress Devika and Singer TMS belonged to this community.
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SaurAshTrAs, as they are called as a community in the south? Khanjari vidvAn Harishankar too?

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Devika was a Telugu, belonging to Andhra. TMS was a Saurashtrian and they were not from Maharashtra but from the Saurashtra region of Gujarat. Most of the were weavers. Walajapet Vankataramana Bhagavatar, disciple of Thyagaraja belonged to this community.

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Even the so-called Tamizhas are not really Tamizh, but mutated versions.

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So what if the instruments are alien to Tamil land and the language. most of it is non-Tamil? The music belongs to Tamilnadu. Even Andhra vidwans like Pinakapani and Karnataka vidwans like RK Srikantan wanted to imbibe the Tanjavur bhani of singing. And the Trinity most certainly belong to Tamilnadu.

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Thanks for clarification about Saurashtra.

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There are also many sub-genres of CM like:

- soft carnatic (bombay jayashree)
- pop carnatic (aruna sairam)
- metal carnatic (sandeep narayan, bhakthavatsalam)
- alternative carnatic (sriram parthasarathy)

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arasi wrote:SaurAshTrAs, as they are called as a community in the south? Khanjari vidvAn Harishankar too?
Kanjira Vidwan Harishankar was of Marathi descent.

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Cienu,
Yes, I did wonder about that...

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Suresh,
:)
Add Absolute carnatic to the list, or Adamently carnatic?

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In the beginning there were Australoid and Vedda people living in this land. Their musical instruments were stones and sticks, which also doubled up as hunting weapons and cooking ware.

Then came the Proto Dravidians from West Asia – some of them got off the caravan at Mohanjedaro and Harappa, while the rest journeyed until they could no longer find land to walk on, having reached the Vivekananda Rock in Kanyakumari.

Tamil language formed. Not to be confused with the Tamil People who, as the legend goes, even predate the earth’s mountains and beaches. (“kal thOnRi maN thOnRu munnE vaaLODu mun thOnRi mUtta tamizh kuDi”).

Then came the vELir kings from North India, who eventually branched off into Chera/ Chola and Pandya Kings. The Kings loved being sung about by Poets while holding court, and rudimentary vocal music forms were born. War drums and bugles provided instrumental music.

Then came the Kalabhra hoardes who held sway between 2nd and 5th centuries, CE. They tried their best to destroy the language, customs and religion of the local people. Somehow Tamil and Tamils survived! Tamil even managed to evolve Panns, a precursor of Ragas. Music was widely prevalent, as evidenced in Silappathikaram and other sangam literature of the period. Paanar clan with their musical instruments such as Yaazh, Murasu and PaRai were the earliest professional musicians known to society.

Then came the Pallavas from Persia, gifting the Tamils a new script and the art and science of architecture. They managed to hold out against the Chalukyas / Pulakesin. The music got better, adding a huge repertoire in the form of Thevaram and Divyaprabandham hymns; many advances made in musical instrument design and usage.

The Tamils colonized South East Asia, Sri Lanka and the Coromandal coast, gifting their language, script, culture and architecture to all these places. Tanjore and Ankor Wat temples were built by them. Dance poses (Karanas) were etched in stone. Sanskrit had by now crept in, what with Brahmanical culture holding sway under the Cholas. Sama Veda chanting began to be accepted as music by the Tamils. A new practice of musically reciting a Slokam or Viruttam, unaccompanied by musical instruments, took shape.

The Western Chalukyas and later the Hoysalas came in and ruled for a while until Mahommedan armies overran the land and spirited away all the wealth. The earliest whispers of Mlecha influence corrupting the fine native classical music was heard in social gatherings – the most vociferous protests were made by one Arimaa Naayagam. We don’t know if he is a forefather of the present-day Harimau of Rasikas.org fame.

The Sultans’ rule was very short-lived, no more than 60-70 years. The feuding Pandya brothers Veera Pandyan and Sundara Pandyan brought in Visvanatha Nayaka from Vijaya Nagar. The Vaduga people (predominantly Telugu but including some Kannada speakers) colonised the land, growing to anywhere between one fourth and two-fifths of the total population. Some other ethnic groups like the Saurashtrians also made a beeline to the prosperous South. The Pann based music evolved into karnaataka sangeetam. Compositions in Telugu became the rage! The Flute and Maddalam were the primary accompaniments displacing the Yaazh, Melam, etc.

At this point, a certain Venkoji Bhonsle was getting bored of Marathi food, music and dance and decided to go south and set up a Kingdom in Thanjavur. He and his descendant ji’s (with names like Shahu, Serfo, and Shiva –ji) managed to corrupt kuzhambu into Sambhar and Kalyani ragam into Yamuna-Kalyani. Koothu and Devaraattam had been turned into sadir. They decreed that Mrudangam should be the main percussion instrument on the concert stage, since many of their soldiers who used to play the instrument at Shanivar Wada’s weekend Mehfils were without a moonlighting job after moving to Thanjavur.

Somehow the Ji’s developed a liking for Telugu language and encouraged compositions in that language. The Trinity of Carnatic Music came into being! One of them sang in praise of the Mridangam, giving it the much needed gauravam on the concert stage.

The Europeans came slightly after the Marathas. When one of their bands was playing on the Marina, a certain Baluswami, brother of one of the trinity, overheard them and fell in love with the violin. He acquired a violin for himself, shuddhi-fied it by sprinkling Cauvery water, sanctified with Vedic Mantras and declared that it was Kosher for Brahmins to play the instrument.

And the rest, as you very well know dear Ravi, is history

:) ;) :evil: :twisted:

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Bravo, Sridhar :)

Your fine poetic sense makes it a riveting and regaling tale :)

Those who know tamizh, also know (I hope) of your fine verses in tamizh...

Ravi,
Thanks for starting the thread!

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Sridhar,
A fine narrative. Ideal for Bahubali 4.0 type of movie, of course enacted by Shivaji Rao Bhonsle alias Rajjnikaanth.

But how come you left out key elements like export of Karate via Dharchung La Pass by Bodhidharma alias Venkataraman?

And the dance of Shiva ganas all over the place (even now tourists mimick it while walking around burning hot granite pathways during day at Tiruvarur and Tanjavur.)

And how Pallavas and Pandiyas bravely fought wars by mounting life size cutouts on the main street of Chennaipatnam since renamed accordingly as Mount Road.
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Sridhar! Awesome!!!

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Best history lesson I ever had. If more of them had been like that I might have passed some exams.

:)

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Nick! LOL!!
Arasi - it was irresistible...

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Why don't they narrate history like this?

So I take the lesson that the melting pot is the oldest tradition in the book? :lol:

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SrinathK wrote:Why don't they narrate history like this?
For British History, there was a book called 1066 And All That. It offers value judgements too, dividing history into Good Things and Bad Things. I'm not sure how funny it is if one hasn't been to a [British] school for quite a few decades. Hmm... If I have it, I think I'll find out!

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Sridhar, that is quite awesome. In the last line, you know how to turn a cliche on its head for great effect :)

BTW, regarding your 'pallavas from persia' line, the tour guides at mahabalipuram invoke a Persian connection when pointing out the non-native looking figures in the pallava built shore temples ( usually visitors from Persia )!!

I have a friend who suffers from an annoying but honest identity crisis as a Tamilian. I will tell him he can totally resolve it by calling himself and his clan a Vedda!! :)

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Brilliant, Sridhar! Nicely written.

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Nick H wrote:For British History, there was a book called 1066 And All That. It offers value judgements too, dividing history into Good Things and Bad Things. I'm not sure how funny it is if one hasn't been to a [British] school for quite a few decades. Hmm... If I have it, I think I'll find out!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/35913509/1066 ... 930#scribd

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Thanks! Gosh, it dates back to 1930!

Still available as a real book too. Expensive, but I have paid as much for another slim volume recently, in my project to replace to replace the pile of special favourites from the bedside table. That project has been mostly successful, but the cost must be approaching Rs.10,000 now. well, some of those books are, indeed, that important to me :)

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Yes.As the saying goes
No one pays the "price" of a book.
Only the price of printing it :)

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Considering the similarities between Cricket and Carnatic music – it is very much possible that Carnatic music was brought to India from the grass lands of United Kingdom. It was only the Bhajan Bhaktas who made it sound like Indian music but its antiquity may be somewhere outside the land where it is currently practiced. It is important to rediscover its real roots.

Before Indians turned against the British rule which made them listen to patriotic songs sung by Ariyakudi and Pattammal, the cognoscenti of Carnatic music were all British Vassal kings and Zamindars with their courts filled with sepoys. Carnatic music was in actuality a tool in the aestheticization of power - a new term in the lexicon of American Orientalists - of the British, so the vassals and the sepoys will be loyal to the empire. British created the system of nautch dancers to keep their vassals happy so that they will never revolt against the British rule.

Looking into the similarities between Cricket and Carnatic music – the pitch has to be curated very carefully in both else it may not bounce evenly and turns the ball wayward. The batsmen a.k.a known as Mridangists who were playing monotonous beats to Abhangs – had to study the bounciness of the pitch , watch the line and length of the bowler before they go play neat shots.

British helped Cricket musicians turn the concept of Wicket Keeper into a musical concept by adapting their fine instrument called Violin into the Cricket music. This concept acquired a different dimension which resembled the Wicket keeping faculty of cricket much later in the Carnatic music history – read on.

The Gamakas which were much muted during the period of Vainikas like Veenai Dhanammal acquired a more pronounced character with the violin accompaniment goading her descendants like Vid T. Brinda to create a more smooth aesthetic effect with gliding and curvy and bouncy swings. She could render fast paced bowling like the Indian fast bowlers that was fast in theory but actually a medium pace but swung nicely under good moisture conditions of the then city of Madras like the Lords stadium. The batsmen had to play defense against her bowling attack and be very careful and still have to have good knowledge of the line and length of the bowler to be still relevant on the field. T Brinda excelled in slow paced Spin attack just like the Indian bowlers which is a hallmark of her tradition and rendered Padams and Javalis in classic Leg and Off spin style with all the turns and swerves. The batsmen had to be really careful and play defense when this happens.

The golden era of CM a.k.a. Cricket Music was patronized by the lawyers, clerks and judges of Indian origin working for the British – who acquired additional aesthetic taste only because of their Anglicization through few generations of Macaulay-an education which cleansed all the old superstitions and made them more analytical.

But they saw through the game of the British – and what with all the nationalistic fervor, the young College students lined up to listen to patriotic songs sung by Ariyakudi in Gokhale hall. Thus began of era of songs and compositions which unfortunately corrupted the music of class that originated from a classical game called Cricket.

The pitch which was curated too much to the favor of bowlers (a.k.a. vocalists) started leaning more and more towards the batsmen a.k.a. Mridangists. It became fast electrifying music with rhythm over shadowing the classic melody with batsmen ruling the roost. But despite all the speed, batsman still observed line and length and created aesthetics of their own with neat foot work and classic shots.

Some batsmen refused to play against Women bowlers without ascribing reasons even though the reasons were pretty clear to spectators in the post golden era. Many women did not bowl good line and length creating a bore for the batsmen. With their metallic pitches the ball was bouncing erratically sometimes and that created a problem for Wicket keepers too who had to keep their gloves taut and nervous when it would shriek and the ball will slip to go out of bounds.

In the post golden era the pitch has been curated to suit the batsman more and like the T20s they bang their way out blindly without having to study the line and length and the bounce of the pitch.

At least for some time the batsmen were needed as listeners did not get full entertainment without them – even though they took a tea/snacks/dinner/nature’s call break when batsmen will practice alone and swing their bats to show case their art – which is when the Wicket keeper a.k.a. violinist will also get a rest. That is the new dimension of this Western instrument of Violin that we have discovered as promised earlier.

This is further constricting the classical nature of the music. Some members of Youth association of Cricketing music – who have good bone knowledge of cricket and never held a Jalra in their hands, are out to discover the real roots of CM a.k.a. Cricket music.
Pronouncing that it is only 150 years old and aided by musicologists who theorize that batsmen are there for a mere show and batting is not really part of the classic game of cricket and it is the classic bowling that we need to resurrect - they are out to curate the pitch to their advantage and make batsmen play defense. Sometimes they run the game without even the batsmen so listeners can enjoy the swing of the ball and the aesthetics of its turn without the hindrance of irrelevant batsmen playing defense all day like Sunil Gavaskar whose only objective was to draw the game.

In fact there are efforts on to co-opt donors to create a Chair to study Carnatic sorry Cricket music in Oxford or University of Glasgow to rediscover and establish it firmly in its British roots. Claims of oppression against Women and appropriation of this music from their supposedly original owners: the Nautch dancers and Isai vellalars are handy to counter any cry against this from nationalistic CM rasikas who would resent the prospect of their music rooted elsewhere outside the country where its real roots are. It will also remove all the baggage of oppression and abuse tied to this music and make it the most liberating thing in human history of arts.

Nick H. of rasikas.org fame will be a suitable appointee for this chair, but his knowledge of some percussion may create Cognitive bias. Hence a search for alternative candidate of British origin who has studied CM a.k.a. Cricket Music in all its glory by visiting Pandits living in South of India and learning all its nuances of the bowling and also batting just enough not to be biased by its undue eminence in the interregnum, has begun.

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Nick H will fall at the first over, quite stumped for a leg, when it is found that he actually knows less about cricket than he does about Carnatic Music!

But he may consider studying those nautch dancers, so long as the offered chair is comfortable. Sadly though, even this alternative suggestion is likely to bowled out at the first post --- by his wife.

Looks like he is going to remain unemployed. And married.

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Wow what a timing! I swear that I did not read this before posting!

http://www.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/s ... epage=true

Are bigger bats and shorter boundaries making the contests even more lop-sided?

The bats these days might look bigger but some of them in my time were a lot heavier.

It’s not just the bats these days. The bat-speed and the sheer physicality of the players can send the ball a long way.

You said ‘physicality’?

Yes, some of the boys today are so big! Modern-day training is more dedicated to improving the physicality of the cricketers.

Yet, somewhere along the line the subtlety could be lost. Is footwork a casualty?

In some cases. On pitches that do something, you need footwork, technique and brain. Back-foot play is very important.
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Nick H wrote:But he may consider studying those nautch dancers, so long as the offered chair is comfortable.
I like your tastes!
Nick H wrote:Sadly though, even this alternative suggestion is likely to bowled out at the first post --- by his wife.

Looks like he is going to remain unemployed. And married
but I also pity your predicament :twisted: :lol:

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I'm sure tennis is related to carnatic music... the slap-slap of the talam-putting, accompanied by deep grunts, and even an occasional tantrum, from the audience. As implied, I am ignorant about sport in general, but I do recall that there was a champion tennis player who was known for his arguments with the umpires. At least rasikas save it for after the concert. Imagine if they jumped up, at the time, shouting out, "Off Sruti! Off Sruti! You think that is on sruti? You gotta be joking!"

Ultimately, we could take these sporting analogies all the way to all-in wrestling, which, despite high entertainment value, died a death when it was revealed that almost all the matches were not only fixed but pre-planned. Like carnatic awards?

Just a thought on the cricket thing: did evolution make the tambura player the remaining remnant of the wicket keeper? Did the instrument itself evolve from primeval cricket stumps?

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Read it thinking you're a cricketer. And read it again thinking you're a Carnatic singer.
Does it make sense?

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Pitch it high, pitch it low,
Glide it in a smooth flow.
Whack it well, whack it again,
Like there is no tomorrow.
Run up the pitch, run down the pitch, show great hurry to catch the train.
If the finger goes up, and you think you nicked,
The tukkada spin,
"tava dasoham" not well picked, Hope your prayer saves you, despite all that din.
===

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Nick - umpires in tennis? May be a more serious offense than mixing metaphors! LOL
I like the creative, out-of-the-box thinking and how the ball has been literally whacked out of TN!

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Ravi,
Nick no wonder was put in that lively, funny mood after listening to Surya's spirited concert and getting a ride afterwards with tambura in hand!

Nick,
Good to see that you are getting out of the Chennai blues... :|

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rshankar wrote:Nick - umpires in tennis?
Aren't there? What do they call they guy who sits in the big baby chair?

(And I'm not putting this on: I really am that ignorant about sport. It comes from a life-long disinterest)

Arasi, yes... I actually think that a lot of Chennai is suffering from Post-trauma stress, but, whatever, life has to go on, and a little humour is a good medicine :)

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You mean the chair umpire? Ok!

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yeah, it feels odd to call that person Umpire. May be we do not hear them being called that by the commentators? Do they refer to them differently like Referees or Official etc. In any case, It looks like there are Chair Umpires, Line Umpires and Chief Umpires (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_(tennis))

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Zoom it up (press CTRL & + keys) and see the caption which mentions the words chair umpire.

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vasanthakokilam wrote:yeah, it feels odd to call that person Umpire. May be we do not hear them being called that by the commentators? Do they refer to them differently like Referees or Official etc. In any case, It looks like there are Chair Umpires, Line Umpires and Chief Umpires (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_(tennis))
Well, as is obvious, I haven't a clue. Also, perhaps there is different usage in different countries?

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