Sangita Kalanidhi 2016

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 01 Jul 2016, 22:33

Folks,
Vidwat=Ravikiran
Track record=Ravikiran
Innovation=Ravikiran
International fame=Ravikiran
Parampara=Ravikiran
Vocal+Instrumental=Ravikiran
Teacher=Ravikiran
Musicologist=Ravikiran
Researcher=Ravikiran
Vaggeyakara=Ravikiran
Obvious Choice=Ravikiran.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 01 Jul 2016, 22:56

The accompanists to Ravikiran have been out of the world.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 02 Jul 2016, 01:00

Sachi,
Agree with you on all accounts. Still, until they announce it, we have no clue. Though, what has been blowing in the wind says it may be a woman this time...

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 02 Jul 2016, 08:33

arasi wrote: Sangita Acharya comes in handy there. Ravikiran is too young for that award.

Just like the Sangita Kalanidhi broke the pattern, it is time for Acharya too. Based on my earlier post Shashi Kiran ( who is doing a lot to popularize music - but has done a lot to spread it's concepts) can be a starter there.

Better yet, in more lighter vein, T.M Krishna has taught all of us quite a bit - whether we take the Thesis or the Anti-Thesis

- we have indeed learnt a lot. So he is our new Acharya.

We are all kalanidhis as a result - so Kalanidhi should go to rasikas.org!!!

Since all musicians will henceforth feel slighted as a result, they can then stop receiving the award for ever

and dot the hall of fame

ramamatya · Post by **ramamatya** » 02 Jul 2016, 09:13

Mandolin Srinivas - whom all of us have completely forgotten.

thanjavooran · Post by **thanjavooran** » 02 Jul 2016, 10:14

MA can think of awarding SKs posthumously also. Then there will be a very big queue starting from TNR, TRM etc
Thanjavooran
02 07 2016

Ramasubramanian M.K · Post by **Ramasubramanian M.K** » 02 Jul 2016, 10:21

Folks: Sorely disappointed that I(the personification of selfless ego-less) person does not even merit a place on the "long list"(let alone the "short list).

ET TU! RASIKAS!! Then fall MKR!!!!!

semmu86 · Post by **semmu86** » 02 Jul 2016, 11:53

bilahari wrote:VVS.

.........................

ratanabhinav · Post by **ratanabhinav** » 02 Jul 2016, 12:55

semmu86 wrote:
bilahari wrote:VVS.
Sangeetha Kalanidhi doesn't deserve him.

can you explain why?

thanjavooran · Post by **thanjavooran** » 02 Jul 2016, 13:01

Shri semmu86,
IMO instead of evaluating an artiste's capacity, can safely register our opinion diplomatically like ' I don't agree this preposition '. Hope you agree with me.
With wishes,
Thanjavooran
02 07 2016

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 02 Jul 2016, 18:23

Past history informs us that the SK award stirs the rasikAs up quite a bit--intellectually (their tastes at stake), emotionally (their personal favorites AND non-favorites) and entertainingly (that's why even the quietest among us speaks up).

Like the season, it generates a lot of excitement.It's a summer time staple for us where partiality is the theme

when our likes and dislikes are displayed banner-size at times!

In all this, we overlook our own members (MKR, you are always up there;)). NSG is among the top in my list.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 02 Jul 2016, 18:48

Thanjavooran,
Yes, posthumous awards mean that they have to go beyond U. Srinivas to include his elders to justify it. So, it can't be done.

Also, the Academy is all for the awardee taking part actively in its every day schedule both physically and musically (in discussions). They could devote a few sessions in the morning just for the greats they missed recognizing, and conclude the season with a salute to them with a documentary and a program of outstanding young artistes who play a nAdasvaram, mandolin and sing (Somu represented). After all, their millennium program is memorable in its spirit and content. It brought to focus the old greats--and even presented DKP and KVN live together on stage! An unforgettable experience...

varsha · Post by **varsha** » 03 Jul 2016, 07:26

How about giving it a second time to one who is worth several kalanidhis and still among us ?
Someone who can sing like this?
https://archive.org/details/04TArakaman ... halaRAmdAs

very lalgudiish alapana by violinist (though not from that school)

chalanata · Post by **chalanata** » 03 Jul 2016, 12:59

Many years back when Erode Tahmizhanban was awarded the Sahithya Academy he gave one useful suggestion that the award has to be bifurcated in to two as regular and life time awards. This only seems a working solution to the issue of seniors versus relatively junior seniors. In a country where the population is very high and number of performing artists is high it becomes an arduous task for the 'awarders' to pick and choose the 'awardees'. Shivaji Ganesan never got the best actor award. When he became old he had to wait for 'Dadasaheb Balke' award because there were so many senior to him in the queue. Can a really young performer or a moderately senior performer think of getting such an award while he is in his peak? Sudha was lucky and so many others are not. The best example is Valangaiman Shanmugasundaram. His precision in my opinion was better than Yaazhpaanam Dhakshinamurthy.
Thiruvenkaadu Jayaraman a great singer of yesteryears was an 'unsung hero'. (though he never bothered).
The next issue is the element of subjectivity. As I see, in addition to music, lobby, marketing and carrying one's self, regional bias, clean record of personal and social discipline are also factored in to in the SK nomination. You can not really find fault with this. These are in Nobel prize and Oscar awards too.
But Indian awards in my opinion are too few for too many contenders. The only solution is to increase the awards proportionately. This they need to do before an awardee with diminishing faculties collapses on stage after receiving the award.
My choice for SK is Mandolin Srinivas posthumously and OS Thiagarajan for life time. Others can wait.

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 03 Jul 2016, 13:32

posthumous has no meaning and we do not know whether mandolin Srinivas can see his being awarded.It has meaning only recognition is given during one's life time.

SrinathK · Post by **SrinathK** » 03 Jul 2016, 19:54

@MKR, Are you proposing a Rasika Veterans award?

Ok, we shall give it to anyone who crosses 1000 posts.

And we shall have a Rasika Special Lifetime achievement award for anyone who crosses 10000 posts (of which there are only 4), or who has made some truly outstanding contributions

Perhaps Rasika Kalanidhi Award will be reserved for 2000 posts, to ensure that sufficient no. of people are awarded.

No bidding shall be deemed necessary on account of rasika scarcity.

K Nagarajan · Post by **K Nagarajan** » 07 Jul 2016, 16:52

Ref. post # 63 by Varsha

Quote:
" How about giving it a second time to one who is worth several kalanidhis and still among us ?
Someone who can sing like this?
https://archive.org/details/04TArakaman ... halaRAmdAs

very lalgudiish alapana by violinist (though not from that school"
Unquote:

A wonderful rendition by Dr.Mangalampalli Balamuralikrishna garu.
The posting of this performance has come timely when the world is celebrating his 86th birth day.

Sri.Pakkala Ramadas is a deciple of the violin maestro Sri.Lalgudi G Jayaraman sir.

pena katthi · Post by **pena katthi** » 08 Jul 2016, 15:41

This being the MS centenary year it would be apt if the Sangita Kalanidhi is awarded to:
VV Subramanyam & Vikku Vinayakram
Other deserving musicians: Guruvayur Dorai, OS Thiagarajan

gajaa · Post by **gajaa** » 13 Jul 2016, 02:05

If it's going to be a woman as arasi is suggesting, Aruna Sairam it is? !

Now,that will open some very interesting discussions on this forum I can guess!

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 13 Jul 2016, 07:20

http://srutimag.blogspot.in/2016/07/vvs ... l?spref=fb

ram1999 · Post by **ram1999** » 13 Jul 2016, 08:03

gajaa wrote:If it's going to be a woman as arasi is suggesting, Aruna Sairam it is? ! Now,that will open some very interesting discussions on this forum I can guess!

If this happens, the previous recipients should all surrender their titles

kunthalavarali · Post by **kunthalavarali** » 14 Jul 2016, 05:48

All clues apparently lead to Avasarala Kanyakumari. Best wishes to the Vidushi.

shankar vaidyanathan · Post by **shankar vaidyanathan** » 14 Jul 2016, 05:57

Chitraveena Sri. Ravikiran
Sri. T.M. Krishna
Sri. Vijay Siva

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 14 Jul 2016, 17:18

Good selection by Kunthalavarali( S Varadarajan,Eminent Violinist).There are no two opinions.she deserves both Nidhi and Acharya - She is a very scholarly performing artist as well as a teacher who has trained young violinists who are on platform these days.

sankark · Post by **sankark** » 14 Jul 2016, 17:23

ram1999 wrote:
gajaa wrote:If it's going to be a woman as arasi is suggesting, Aruna Sairam it is? ! Now,that will open some very interesting discussions on this forum I can guess!
If this happens, the previous recipients should all surrender their titles

Why is that so?

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 14 Jul 2016, 18:36

One title is not enough for her!

Srikant Elassery · Post by **Srikant Elassery** » 14 Jul 2016, 21:43

Srinath K,
What is meant by 'Tigerexit'? I have not heard this word before!

And why was there nearly a world war between rasikas?

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 15 Jul 2016, 05:28

Srikant Elassery wrote:Srinath K,
What is meant by 'Tigerexit'? I have not heard this word before!

Harimau exit on the lines of Brexit....

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 15 Jul 2016, 07:43

Vexing it is, to this day...

SrinathK · Post by **SrinathK** » 15 Jul 2016, 07:56

Nick coined a better term - Harimout. @Srikant Elassery Go see last year's thread. What started out as appreciation for Sanjay quickly went downhill as many rasikas were upset that it should have been given to Ravikiran (none so more than the famed Tiger trio, who basically spent the rest of it's avatar's life muttering "tup tup" in heartbreak, until a black, classified operation put it out of it's misery). And so the rants were written in the rasikas book of rage... I even thought the place was unsafe for a while.

The rasikas are still hopeful for Ravikiran, now it's only a matter of when.

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 15 Jul 2016, 08:46

We need to school ourselves, in my opinion.
Like Sruti blog has done this time, we can settle on a name and propose to MA. But once they make the announcement, we need to respect their wisdom and celebrate that choice No more skirmishes.

rupavathi · Post by **rupavathi** » 15 Jul 2016, 09:12

Rsachi wrote:Like Sruti blog has done this time, we can settle on a name and propose to MA...

The academy did not earn its aura and reputation by listening to public opinion polls and Sruti...

And as always, the decision on this yr's SK has also been made much much before people started their annual huff n puff here!

shankar vaidyanathan · Post by **shankar vaidyanathan** » 15 Jul 2016, 09:27

As an ardent admirer of Harimau and the Tiger team's writings, I sorely miss the avatars! I'm a great fan of Sanjay but haven't taken offense to Harimau's mauling.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 15 Jul 2016, 10:08

hnbhagavan wrote:Good selection by Kunthalavarali( S Varadarajan,Eminent Violinist)..

I am not sure if S Varadarajan is kuntalavarali

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 15 Jul 2016, 11:23

Dear Sri Rajeshnath,

S Varadarajan:
Post #2 by kunthalavarali » 23 Nov 2015 11:23

By any chance was the Thillana in gambIravAni composed by T K Govinda Rao?

Violin Varadarajan

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 15 Jul 2016, 12:22

rshankar wrote:
Srikant Elassery wrote:Srinath K,
What is meant by 'Tigerexit'? I have not heard this word before!
Harimau exit on the lines of Brexit....

SrinathK wrote:Nick coined a better term - Harimout.

Tigerexit is good: I'd shorten it to the slightly snappier Tigrexit. Both Tigrexit and Harimout could find a place in a campaign, but sadly, there is no campaign, only a lament.

What we need now Is Tigerback, Tigreturn and HarimIN!

rupavathi wrote:
Rsachi wrote:Like Sruti blog has done this time, we can settle on a name and propose to MA...
The academy did not earn its aura and reputation by listening to public opinion polls and Sruti...
And as always, the decision on this yr's SK has also been made much much before people started their annual huff n puff here!

The tone of the discussion has changed over the past few years. It used to be passionate. Now it has all the passion of discussing what numbers might win a lottery, when people didn't buy tickets anyway.

The aura and reputation is, largely, gone.

ram1999 · Post by **ram1999** » 15 Jul 2016, 12:55

sankark wrote:
ram1999 wrote:
gajaa wrote:If it's going to be a woman as arasi is suggesting, Aruna Sairam it is? ! Now,that will open some very interesting discussions on this forum I can guess!
If this happens, the previous recipients should all surrender their titles
Why is that so?

The selection criteria for SK then is purely based on who excels in singing a cow, monkey and a snake song. One has already been awarded a few years ago !!

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 15 Jul 2016, 14:42

Ram1999, you should take a cue from the tiger, now possibly on the verge of extinction- it's not just any old monkey - it's a blind monkey!!

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 15 Jul 2016, 16:35

hnbhagavan wrote:Dear Sri Rajeshnath,

S Varadarajan:
Post #2 by kunthalavarali » 23 Nov 2015 11:23

By any chance was the Thillana in gambIravAni composed by T K Govinda Rao?

Violin Varadarajan

In one post of Phily concert where sanjay and varadu paired there is a post kuntalavarali says he did not attend that sanjay concert and another post where kuntalavarali says somewhere that he is other side of 70 . Kuntalavarali id can clarify if he wants to.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 15 Jul 2016, 17:59

Rajesh,
You are right.

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 15 Jul 2016, 20:49

Violin Varadarajan has me confused.You may be right as i doubt whether Sanjay's Varadarajan would participate in rasika forum though he might be browsing.

sukumar · Post by **sukumar** » 15 Jul 2016, 23:34

Is there any voting and selection process for SK and associated rituals,as done in conclave of Pope selection?!
Once SK is selected then Kalanidhi ragam could be played through loud speaker at the MA premises. Else Ragas like Andolika, Agnikopa, BhinnaShadja, Ghanta, will be repeatedly played to convey the failure in arriving at a consensus.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 16 Jul 2016, 00:55

You can be assured that the vote will be unanimous.

Music should be chosen to indicate the behind-the-scenes work that goes into that unanimous vote

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 16 Jul 2016, 02:51

ah.. If only all that blowing of smoke is let out... we will have a more juicy signal

pattamaa · Post by **pattamaa** » 16 Jul 2016, 10:35

hnbhagavan wrote:Violin Varadarajan has me confused.You may be right as i doubt whether Sanjay's Varadarajan would participate in rasika forum though he might be browsing.

There can be other violin varadarajan's too

not necessariy S. Vardarajan

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 16 Jul 2016, 15:47

vasanthakokilam wrote:ah.. If only all that blowing of smoke is let out

White or black smoke? I am sure Nick'll get the reference...

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 16 Jul 2016, 16:07

Speaking as the pope's secret agent (that is, of course, when I'm taking time off from being a CIA agent) --- I do get the reference, yes

.

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 16 Jul 2016, 16:37

Sangeetha Kalanidhi Quiz.
Guess the 2016 SK name from following clues:
1. Name contains reference to at least one Hindu God/Goddess.
2. There is a reference to Sun/Moon/Sea/Star
3. Reference to Bhagavata/Skanda Purana/Devi Bhagavata
4. Between 48 and 98 years of age.
5. Has performed in at least 4 cities in last 6 months.
6. Has cancelled Autumn/Fall US tour.
7. Has been reading up past SK speeches.
8. Name has between 8 and 16 letters in standard passport format - English
9. Has not criticised MA or derided SKs in past 12 months.
10. Has informed MA of current postal address, email and phone number.
11. Will read this post without fail.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 16 Jul 2016, 19:27

Not Harimau, then?

ratanabhinav · Post by **ratanabhinav** » 16 Jul 2016, 19:32

Respaected Rsachi, i herd in Kanyakumri, you can see both sunset and moonrise at same time in seashore.