TMK: "The award is for unshackling art from man-made ghettoes"

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Rsachi
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TMK: "The award is for unshackling art from man-made ghettoes"

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TMK: "The award is for unshackling art from man-made ghettoes"

Click on the image to read TMK's interview.
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What's a ghetto? Merriam Webster:
Full Definition of ghetto
plural ghettos also ghettoes
1
: a quarter of a city in which Jews were formerly required to live
2
: a quarter of a city in which members of a minority group live especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure
3
a : an isolated group <a geriatric ghetto>
b : a situation that resembles a ghetto especially in conferring inferior status or limiting opportunity <the pink-collar ghetto>
Although the choice of the term ghetto is a bit contrary to the accusation of superiority and exclusivity, TMK implies that the stinking casteism and exclusivity of CM created by Brahmins has alienated other people and prevented them from enjoying or learning or performing Carnatic music. This is already well-known to be highly debatable and my intention is not to discuss it here.

I wish to suggest the following steps to take this celebrated Magsaysay award for TMK and his movement further.
  • A. Let TMK found and finance with at least a part of his prize/related earnings a movement, to be termed somewhat as "Free and Open Karnatic Music" or some such term.
    B. Let there be social media avenues for people to show interest and enroll in this movement as audiences, learners and performers without recourse to their caste or religious inclinations.
    C. This movement should become an ALTERNATIVE NARRATIVE of Carnatic music. Maybe, like the socialists tried to create classical arts with a socialist format in Russia long ago (read the Unfinished Journey by Menuhin), this will be an experiment. Let us support him in this endeavour.
    D. Let TMK conduct around the world a Carnatic music festival WITHOUT ANY COMPOSITIONS AND BAGGAGE ASSOCIATED WITH RELIGION OR TRADITION. Let this be the watchword, as the best way to free CM from the ghetto is to break down the baggage of tradition and religion that TMK says is creating this ghetto.
    Steps C. and D. will take 3 to 5 years to reach some shape.

    E. Meanwhile, should TMK continue to perform the ghetto music with all its trappings and baggage within the ghetto? His conscience alone has to answer this question.

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Sri RSachi,

Why is he attacking CM from Caste angle?In fact i do not go to Music program after finding out whether the people on stage are bramhins or not.There have been a number of musicians from non bramhin community in the past and they are performing now also.In SVBC channel we see the audience is from all communities.
TM Krishna performing for Fisherman,slum dwellers is welcome.But he should know that food ,clothing and shelter come first and then Music.Time only will tell whether his movement will succeed in attracting other communities to CM.It may be noted that a minuscule population even among bramhins listen to CM and much lesser number learn CM.
Any how his remarks in interview or in his book cannot take away his merits in getting the Award.

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Mr HNB,
Mr TMK may get a postage stamp released soon!

All artistes will wear a badge to show if they are part of the ghetto or on the TMK side. So you will have more clarity as soon as you see an artiste. :D

I feel this award, on second thought, is NOT for a CM musician but for someone who believes he is liberating CM from its ghetto. It could as well be a politician or an NGO like those that opposed Kunnamkulam.

My recommendations made above were meant to make the best of this situation and this conversation. But nobody has so far showed any interest!

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Don't be shackled in pretentious decency. Get out of your ghettos 'Paarpaans!'

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Here is what Jeyamohan has to say.

http://www.jeyamohan.in/89307#.V5r7WGh96M9

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Post#4

What is the summary of this article?
Sri R Sachi sir

Mr TMK may get a postage stamp released soon!
This may be even better than getting SK from Music Academy.1

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Google Translate:
The news of the Magsaysay Award to TMK came in the morning. The fact that the award did not understand why. He is a singer, if that impairment of Tamil mikamikaccumaran classical singer he is today. Entakkacceriyaiyum subprime hear her. Patittuvaittataip sing, it would pattuvattiyarttanam name. Sanjay Subrahmanyam, sat up in the seat narkali who takutikuta

 

But the award for his 'humanitarian' purposes enatterikiratuenna Hindu English daily written in humanitarian missions, search for 'progressive' point to stories. Muyanraram music to go with the house. It is far nikalntatillaiya? So the long-term record of what he has done?

 

Without any deep understanding of his contribution to the environment, using the common legacy of the antiwar views, radical slogans, wrote articles for the shrill, with a flat rate. Gnani is many times more than the more flattened writing articles.

...

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I was sent this fine writing via Whatsapp by Badari:
ಟಿ ಎಂ ಕೃಷ್ಣ ಅವರಿಗೆ ಮ್ಯಾಗ್ಸಸ್ಸೇ ಅವಾರ್ಡ್ ಲಭಿಸಿರುವುದು " ಕಲೆಯ ಪ್ರಜಾಪ್ರಭುತ್ವೀಕರಣಕ್ಕೆ " ಎನ್ನುತ್ತದೆ ಮ್ಯಾಗ್ಸಸ್ಸೇ ಕಮಿಟಿ . ಕೃಷ್ಣರು ಕಲಿತಿರುವ , ಹಾಡುತ್ತಿರುವ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ಶಾಸ್ತ್ರೀಯ ಸಂಗೀತ ಇಂದಿನ ಪರಿಸ್ಥಿತಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ರಾಜರ ಆಶ್ರಯದಲ್ಲಿದೆಯೇ ಅಥವಾ ಜನ ಸಾಮಾನ್ಯರ ಪೋಷಣೆಯಲ್ಲಿದೆಯೇ ? ಸ್ವಾತಂತ್ರ್ಯಾನಂತರ ಎದ್ದ ಭಾರತೀಯ ಅಸ್ಮಿತೆಯನ್ನು ಗುರುತಿಸುವ ಅಲೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಕಲೆಯೂ ಬೆರೆತು ಎಲ್ಲ ವರ್ಗದವರೂ ಸಂಗೀತ ಇತ್ಯಾದಿಗಳನ್ನು ಕಲಿಯುವಂತಾಗಿದ್ದು ಇತ್ತೀಚಿನ ವಿಷಯವಲ್ಲವಷ್ಟೆ. ಚಂಬೈ ವೈದ್ಯನಾಥ ಭಾಗವತರ್ ಅವರಂತಹ ಪರಮ ಕರ್ಮಠರು ಯೇಸುದಾಸರನ್ನು ಪೋಷಿಸಲಿಲ್ಲವೇ ? ಕ್ರಮೇಣವಾಗಿಯಾದರೂ ಎಷ್ಟೋ ಮಹಾಕಲಾವಿದರು ಮಧುರೈ ಸೋಮು ಒಳಗೊಂಡು ಪ್ರವರ್ಧಮಾನಕ್ಕೆ ಬರಲಿಲ್ಲವೇ .. ಬದಲಾಗುತ್ತಿರುವ ಸಾಮಾಜಿಕ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆಗೆ ತಕ್ಕಂತೆ ಸಂಗೀತದ ವಾತಾವರಣವೂ ಸಹಜವಾಗಿಯೇ ಬದಲಾಗಿದ್ದಲ್ಲವೇ ? ಇಂದು ಸಂಗೀತ ಕಲಿಯುವವವರ ಸಂಖ್ಯೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಕೇವಲ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರಷ್ಟೇ ಇಲ್ಲದೆ ಎಲ್ಲ ವರ್ಗದವರೂ ಯಾವುದೇ ಭೇದವಿಲ್ಲದೆ ಕಲಿಯುತ್ತಿಲ್ಲವೇ ? ಇಂದು ಕಲಿಸುತ್ತಿರುವ , ಪ್ರವರ್ಧಮಾನಕ್ಕೆ ಬಂದಿರುವ ವಿದ್ವಾಂಸರು ಹೆಚ್ಚಾಗಿ ಒಂದು ವರ್ಗಕ್ಕೆ ಸೇರಿದವರಾದರೂ ಕಲಿಕೆಯ ವಿಷಯದಲ್ಲಿ ಆ ಬೇಧವೇನೂ ಇಲ್ಲವಷ್ಟೆ . "ಕಲೆಯ ಪ್ರಜಾಪ್ರಭುತ್ವೀಕರಣ" ಅಂಥದ್ದೊಂದು ಮಾತನ್ನು ಮನ್ನಿಸುವುದೇ ಆದರೆ ಎಲ್ಲ ಸಂಗೀತಗಾರರು ಮಾಡುವುತ್ತಿರುವುದಾದರೂ ಅದೇ ಅಲ್ಲವೇ . ಸಂಗೀತ ಶಿಕ್ಷಕರು ಲಿಂಗ , ಜಾತಿ ಭೇದ ನೋಡಿ ಸಂಗೀತ ಹೇಳಿಕೊಡ್ತಾರೆಯೇ ? ನನ್ನ ಗುರುಗಳು ಸಂಗೀತ ಪಾಠಕ್ಕೆ ಸೇರಿಸಿಕೊಳ್ಳುವುದಕ್ಕೆ ಬಳಸುವ ಮಾನದಂಡ ನನಗೆ ತಿಳಿದಿರುವಂತೆ ಒಂದೇ . ಮಗುವಿಗೆ ಕನಿಷ್ಠ ಪಂಚಮವಾದರೂ ಕೂಡಬೇಕು . ಅಷ್ಟೇ .ಬೇರೇನೂ ಇಲ್ಲ. ಕ್ಷೌರಿಕರೂ ಅಚ್ಚುಕಟ್ಟಾಗಿ ಶಾಸ್ತ್ರೀಯ ಸಂಗೀತ ಕಲಿಯುತ್ತಾರೆ . ಆತ ಕ್ಷೌರಿಕ ಎನ್ನುವ ವಿಶೇಷ ಗಮನ ಯಾರಿಗೂ ಇಲ್ಲದೆ. ಇದು ಅಲ್ಲವೇ ನಿಜವಾದ ಪ್ರಜಾಪ್ರಭುತ್ವೀಕರಣ . ಇನ್ನು ಟಿ ಎಂ ಕೃಷ್ಣರು ಮಾಡಿದ್ದಾರೆ ಎಂಬಂತಹ ವಿಶೇಷ ಕಾರ್ಯಗಳನ್ನ ಗಮನಿಸಿದ ಕಾಣುವುದು ಏನು ? ಸಮುದ್ರ ತೀರದಲ್ಲಿ ಸಂಗೀತ ಕಚೇರಿ . ( ಬೆಸ್ತರಿಗೆ ಶಾಸ್ತ್ರೀಯ ಸಂಗೀತ ), ಜೋಗಪ್ಪರ ಜತೆ ಶಾಸ್ತ್ರೀಯ ಸಂಗೀತ ( transgenders - ಅವರದ್ದೇ ಒಂದು ಶೈಲಿ ಇದೆ ), ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ಶಾಸ್ತ್ರೀಯ ಸಂಗೀತದಲ್ಲಿ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರ ಹಾವಳಿ ಹೆಚ್ಚಾಗಿದೆ ಎಂಬಂತಹ ಸವಕಲು ಲೇಖನಗಳು ಇತ್ಯಾದಿಯಿಂದ ಕಲೆ ಜನ ಸಾಮಾನ್ಯರನ್ನ ತಲುಪೀತೆ ? ಅವರು ಮುಫ್ತ್ತ್ ಕಚೇರಿಗಳನ್ನು ಮಾಡುತ್ತಾರೆ ಎಂದು ಕೇಳಿದ್ದೇನೆ , ಅದಕ್ಕೂ ಕಲೆಯನ್ನು ಪ್ರಜಾಪ್ರಭುತ್ವೀಕರಿಸುವದಕ್ಕೂ ಏನೂ ಸಂಬಂಧವಿಲ್ಲವೆಂದು ಭಾವಿಸುತ್ತೇನೆ . ಹಾಗೆ ನೋಡುತ್ತಾ ಹೋದರೆ ಅವರು ಕೊಡುವ ಸಂಗೀತ ಕಚೇರಿಗೆ ತೆಗೆದು ಕೊಳ್ಳುವ ಸಂಭಾವನೆ ಲಕ್ಷಕ್ಕೂ ಮಿಕ್ಕಿ ಎಂಬುದು ತಿಳಿದಿರುವಂಥದ್ದೇ , ವಾಸ್ತವವಾಗಿ ಅಷ್ಟೆಲ್ಲ ಸಂಭಾವನೆ ಕೊಟ್ಟು ನಾಲ್ಕಾರು ಜನರಿಗೆ ಪುಕ್ಕಟೆ ಕೇಳುವ ಭಾಗ್ಯ ಕಲ್ಪಿಸುತ್ತಿರುವ ಸಂಗೀತ ಸಭೆಗಳಿಗೆ ಕೊಡಬೇಕು ಶಾಭಾಷಗಿರಿ . ಇನ್ನು ಇವರು ಸಂಗೀತದ ವಿಷಯದಲ್ಲಾದರೂ ಮಾಡುವಂತಹ ಪ್ರಯೋಗಗಳು ಎಂಥವು !ಶೀರ್ಷಾಸನದ ರೀತಿಯದ್ದು . ಮಂಗಳದಿಂದ ಮೊದಲು ಮಾಡಿ ವರ್ಣದಲ್ಲಿ ಕೊನೆಯಾಗುವಂಥದ್ದು . ರಾಗ ತಾನ ತಿಲ್ಲಾನ . ಇದೆಲ್ಲ ಪ್ರಯೋಗಗಳೇ ? ನಮ್ಮ ಸಂಗೀತದಲ್ಲಿ ಭಕ್ತಿಯ ಘಾಟು ವಾಕರಿಕೆ ಬರುವಂತಿದೆ ಆದ್ದರಿಂದ ಭಾವಗೀತೆ , ಪ್ರಕೃತಿ ಗೀತೆ , ಪ್ರೇಮ ಗೀತೆ , ಮತ್ತೊಂದು ಗೀತೆ ಇಂಥವನ್ನು ಪರಿಚಯಿಸುವ ಪ್ರಯೋಗಗಳು ( ಆಸಕ್ತರು ಯೌಟ್ಯೂಬ್ ಲಿ ಡಿಸೆಂಬರ್ ಉತ್ಸವದ ಜಯಾ ಟಿ ವಿ ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ರಮ ನೋಡಬಹುದು ) . ಶಾಸ್ತ್ರೀಯ ಸಂಗೀತದ ಮೂಲ ಉದ್ದೇಶಕ್ಕೆ ಪೂರಕವಾದ ಪ್ರಯೋಗಗಳೇ ಇವು ?! ಇರಲಿ , ಬಂದಿರುವ ಮನ್ನಣೆ ಸಂಗೀತ ದ್ರಿಷ್ಟಿಯಿಂದ ನಡೆಸಿರುವ ಪ್ರಯೋಗಗಳಿಗೆ ಅಲ್ಲವಾದ್ದರಿಂದ ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಹೇಳುವುದಿಲ್ಲ ... ಆದಾಗ್ಯೂ ಆತ ಕಲೆಯನ್ನು ಎಲ್ಲರಿಗೂ ನಿಜಕ್ಕೂ ತಲುಪಿಸುವಂತೆ ಮಾಡಿದ್ದು ಹೇಗೆ ಎಂಬುದೇ ಯಕ್ಷ ಪ್ರಶ್ನೆ. scroll , Hindu ಇತ್ಯಾದಿ ಪತ್ರಿಕೆಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಪ್ರಭುತ್ವವನ್ನು ತನ್ನ ಮೂಗಿನ ನೇರಕ್ಕೆ ಟೀಕಿಸಿದ್ದು , ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ಸಂಗೀತ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರ ಕಪಿಮುಷ್ಠಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಸಿಕ್ಕಿ ನಲುಗುತ್ತಿದೆ ಎಂದು ಹಿಂದೆ ತಮಿಳ್ ಕಳಗಂ ಜನಗಳು ಕೂಗಿದ ಘೋಷಣೆಗಳ sophisticated version ಅನ್ನಬಹುದಾದ ಲೇಖನಗಳನ್ನು ಬರೆದಿದ್ದು , ಭಾಷಣಗಳನ್ನು ಬಿಗಿದಿದ್ದು, ಇಂಥವು ಅರ್ಹತಾ ಸೂಚಿ ಇದ್ದಿರಬಹುದೇನೋ .
ಎಲ್ಲವೂ ಅಯೋಮಯ :)

My Translate: TMK's award is for "democratising Carnatic music". His achievements in this regard are small. His accusation that Carnatic music has been the exclusive preserve of Brahmins is false. Can't understand the basis of the award.

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TMK has been using the Anti Establishment stand for garnering publicity and attention and nothing more than that

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Sachi,
For all the things you bring us in plenty--thanks to you :)--this google translation (with all your good intentions) is an exception! That too for what a thinking, feeling, fine writer like Jayamohan has written :(
If Chellappa or someone else isn't going to translate, I will try, when I get a moment...

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Who is this Jayamohan? Has really excoriated TMK probably crossing some lines in the process.

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Arasi,
Try Google Translate! It is worse than what I pasted. :D
I really need a good translation after seeing Suresh's comment.

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http://www.jeyamohan.in/89307#.V5r7WGh96M9

Translation:

"
Heard about the Magasasay to TM Krishna this morning. Honestly, it is difficult to understand the rationale for this award.

It seems that the award is for his 'humanitarian' deeds. When you search to find what those 'humanitarian' deeds were, you are pointed to his 'progressive' essays in 'The Hindu'. Apparently, he has taken 'music to the poor'. Has it never been tried before? What lasting achievement is his?

His contribution is to write popular 'progressive' rhetoric in an aggressive tone without any depth in understanding. Gnani's (a well-known leftist, atheist, anti-all writer) hollow essays are many times better.

There is a tendency among those Brahmins wishing to hide their identity or to overcome that identity, to show off more (Literal translation of Jeyamohan's words: jump 4 steps more). Those who have bigotry (his word: Brahmaneeyam) hidden inside, make it even louder. I have always doubted TM Krishna and his 'Hindu' Iyengar background/alignment. The more I get to know about him, the more my doubts are substantiated.

He has hardly any connection with the Tamil tradition/cultural developments. He belongs to an elitist group Periya Veettu Paiyan) without any understanding or exposure to even the simplest of Tamil literature, culture or tradition. He is a hollow drum that can only stick to uttering provocative stuff in public forums in a broad-brushed manner.

So, 'The Hindu' background has enabled him qualify for this award. But for this award, anyone of my stature wouldn't have had a need to express anything about this empty vessel (Kurai Kudam - literal translation would mean a half empty vessel that makes more noise contrasted with a full vessel).

It seems that the crown is an outcome of mutual adjustments among the rich and the influential. He may even get a Gnanapeeth for his childish essays. His money and media backing can even enable him to give a shot at the Nobel.

It is one of those moments I squirmed in recent times.

"
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God, what a frustrated rant! :lol:

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Thanks Dhanurasi for translating.

SrikantK,

I don't think Jayamohan is capable of frustrated rants. You perhaps are not familiar with his writings. I have read some, and think of him as an extraordinary writer and thinker in tamizh today. He is remarkable--poised and pointing to life's intricacies with understanding
and maturity.

This though, is just one of his casual jottings. Well, tastes differ, but this is not just some idle scribbling. He would be the last person to trivialize things, this writer of our times.

Sachi,
Tried to read Badari's essay with great difficulty. Kindly translate a bit more (or Badari can do it), for everyone's benefit...
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SrinathK wrote:God, what a frustrated rant! :lol:
If you understand Tamil, please read this thread:

http://www.jeyamohan.in/89353#.V51H9zt942w


Jeyamohan has responded to accusations (including yours) in detail. It is too complex for me to translate. But some extracts:

...ஒருவர் தான் ஏற்றிருக்கும் கொள்கைக்கு உகந்த சமூகப் பணியை, பண்பாட்டுச்சேவையை அணையாத பொறுமையுடன் நெடுங்காலத்தவமாக ஆற்றி விளைவுகளை உருவாக்குவது.

"Real service is bringing desired results (effects) with long term work in the society and culture relevant to one's cause with total dedication and commitment"

செய்துகாட்டும்போதுதான் அது சமூகப்பணி அல்லது பண்பாட்டுப்பங்களிப்பு. சும்மா சொல்லிக்கொண்டிருப்பது அல்ல. சத்தம்போடுவது அல்ல. ஊடகங்களை பணபலத்தாலோ குடும்பப்பின்னணியாலோ ஆக்ரமித்துக்கொள்வது அல்ல

It is a real contribution to the society or culture only when it is ACCOMPLISHED. Not when you just talk about it. It is not about making noise. It is not about getting media mileage through family and money ties.

வாழ்க்கையை அர்ப்பணித்து சேவை செய்பவர்களைச் சிறுமை செய்கிறார்கள் அவர்கள்.

They are belittling those who dedicate their lives for a cause.

நாலைந்து தெருக்களில் பத்துப்பதினைந்துபேர் முன் அவர்களுக்கு என்னவென்றே தெரியாத பாடல்களை கொஞ்சநேரம் பாடிவிட்டு அதை உரியமுறையில் ஊடக விளம்பரம் செய்து ஒருவர் மகஸேஸே போன்ற பெரும் விருதை சென்றடைய முடியும் என்றால் அதன்பின் இங்கே சமூகசேவை, பண்பாட்டுச்சேவை என்பதற்கெல்லாம் என்ன பொருள்?

If one can get such acclaimed awards like Magasasay with a symbolic performance in front of a a dozen people who have no clue on what is being presented, what happens to real contributions to the society or to culture?

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Dhanurasi,
Thanks for the follow-up. Even those who cannot understand tamizh can see what Jeyamohan is talking about by your short gist of what he has to say.

If only they can read the whole article :(

I just read it. Thanks for posting it (in tamizh) . On reading the snippet on Krishna, some of his readers had questions (as some of us did). So, in his own crystal clear way, his own manner of a responsible way, he responds by bringing out how historically classical music found its course ( stemming from and blending with old folk music along the way), just as in other cultures. History played a part, so did the growth of CM with the development of it as a SAstrA, distancing it from many.

It will take years of active propagation, teaching and ardent work to bring this music to the populace. Krishna has a long way to go in achieving this. What has he done to merit the honor?---Jeyamohan asks...
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Deleted based on a request from Arasi Amma.
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dhanurasi,
I am afraid your above post takes our attention away from what is being discussed :(

What this particular person says is of no value to us. It's belittling to both the author and the musician in a way. Kindly delete it. Thanks.

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Arasi and others, I enjoyed translating Badari's fine Kannada write-up:
  • The Magsaysay committee states that T.M.Krishna was awarded for “democratisation of art”. The classical Carnatic music that TMK has learnt and is singing – is it under kingly patronage or under the patronage of ordinary people? After Independence, the self-image that arose for Indians swept in its wave all artistic movements and people of all sections were able to pursue studies in arts. This is not a recent phenomenon. A traditionalist (=Brahminical ritualist) like Chembai Vaidyanatha Bhagavatar – did he not nurture a Yesudas? At least gradually, didn’t many great artistes like Madurai Somu come to the limelight? Did not the field of music (CM) naturally follow the course of other social progressive developments ? Are there not many students other than Brahmins already learning CM without any difference or discrimination? Today's teachers and well-known practitioners may be predominantly of one caste, but in the process of and opportunities for learning CM , is there not equality and non-discrimination?

    If we do consider the term ‘Democratisation of art”, what then is the effort of all musicians today? Is it not reaching music to everyone? Do music teachers accept students after checking on their gender and caste? The criterion used by my teacher, as I know, is only one: The child must be able to at least catch the panchama (ie identifying the Pa corresponding to a given Sa). Nothing else. Even barbers are learning CM quite well- without anyone pondering that he is, after all, a barber. For me, that is true democratisation.

    And then looking at TMK’s noteworthy efforts: singing on the beach CM to fishermen folk. Collaborating with Jogappas (transgender) in their special music. Writing several articles that Brahmins are a major nuisance factor (=are rampaging) in the field of CM. Do these (random) efforts really take the reach of music to one and all? I have heard he gives free concerts. I don’t see any connection between that and democratisation. If we go there, we know that he takes remuneration of over a Lakh of rupees for his concerts. We should really recognise and acclaim the sabhas who pay him so much and still hold their concerts free ( Sachi: Seshadripuram episode- it was a free concert).

    Then what kind of experiments does TMK do in his concerts? It is like Shirshasana (yogic headstand). He begins with Mangalam and concludes with Varnam. Raga, Tana, Tillana. Are these to be hailed as experiments? He alleges that our music is nauseating due to an excessive flavour of Bhakti. And therefore he would like to introduce sentimental songs, nature songs, love ballads, and such music (those interested can check out his Margazhi Jaya TV Dec 2014 concert uploaded In You Tube). Do such experiments further the main purpose or cause of classical music? Anyway, since this award is not connected with his musical experiments, nothing more needs to be said.

    And the question still remains, like the “unanswerable” Yaksha Prashna (in Mahabharata) , what exactly has he done to reach music to one and all? Pointedly criticising the establishment through his articles in The Hindu, Scroll.in etc. Repeating the refrain, in a sophisticated manner, of the old allegation of Tamizh Kazhagam activists that Carnatic music is being crushed in the unrelenting grasp of Brahmins, giving lectures to that effect- would these be the qualifying criteria used for the Magsaysay award?
    It seems to be an uncrackable riddle.

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@dhanurasi:

How come you left out the part about being unfit to sit on the same chair as one that Sanjay has used even for a few minutes?

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Arasi: I have close friends who are huge admirers of Jeyamohan. But my Tamil is no good. Could I request you to translate this more fully. Thank you in advance http://www.jeyamohan.in/89353#.V51H9zt942w

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Rsachi wrote:Arasi and others, I enjoyed translating Badari's fine Kannada write-up:
I have heard he gives free concerts. I don’t see any connection between that and democratisation. If we go there, we know that he takes remuneration of over a Lakh of rupees for his concerts. We should really recognise and acclaim the sabhas who pay him so much and still hold their concerts free ( Sachi: Seshadripuram episode- it was a free concert).
There is a very good point in there. Part of the elitism of classical music in the west is that concerts are very expensive to attend (well, they are very expensive to arrange, when a full orchestra is concerned, but that is another discussion entirely). Surely the biggest democratising influence in Chennai's carnatic music scene is the sponsors and others that make the music, by majority, free for most of us most of the time.

Where else in the world does such a "democracy" exist on an everyday basis? Even in venues where the music may be "free" one is expected to pay for food and drink.

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Nick, you're SO right. I have estimated that I can attend over 100 concerts per year in Blr without buying a ticket! But I spend on average Rs 600-900 on taxis per concert. That's because I don't want to own a car. Period. But nobody is even proposing a Magsaysay for me :( :(

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Move to Mylapore :)

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@RSachi, Here in NCR, Uber and Ola have become really cheap, so much so that we prefer going in them for anything longer than a few kilometres.

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Suresh, good idea!
Srinath, first of all, you've revealed that you live in Delhi. Secondly, I am a power user of Uber and Ola. But distances in Bangalore are such (for my location :( ) that trips cost quite a bit. I spend at a minimum 450 to and fro. Sometimes a lot more....

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sureshvv wrote:@dhanurasi:

How come you left out the part about being unfit to sit on the same chair as one that Sanjay has used even for a few minutes?
Oversight.

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Thanks RSachi for that wonderful article (Badari) which I could not have read but for your sterling effort.

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If you factor in the cost of buying and running a car, it probably does not cost less to attend concerts because of owning one. What to do? Royal patronage for rasikas? :lol:

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Here is an article which throws some light on the Magsaysay award itself:



http://canarytrap.in/2014/03/11/kejriwa ... gest-scam/

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Yes, Nick. For some 17 years I enjoyed owning a Chauffeur-driven car, and after a break I am now benefitting the economics and convenience of a car+driver on call basis.
But hats off to Suresh and you - driving 800km for listening to a concert! You deserve more than a Magsaysay.

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Google Maps tells me... 684km. But we got what we deserved, which was a wonderful concert!

And the trip was a lot of fun :)

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Nick, the first step towards awards is to round up numbers. Google Maps is OK, but did you use Map Measure software? It is far more sophisticated. I regulatly use it to prove to myself the distances I cover even as I casually drift around :D

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I used retrospective figures from "My Timeline." It is not telling me the length or the route, but the distance actually travelled. Given what GPS is all about, it has no excuse for not being accurate, but, of course, I have no clue whether it really is or not. Stupidly, I forgot to note the car odometer readings*.

Are we taking a detour from TMK, ghettoes, etc etc? :)






*I suppose we'll have to do it again to find out! Please arrange the necessary concert asap ;) :twisted: :lol:

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Nick,
Hope I am there when you are in benda kALUru :)

Yes, back to the topic:

Thanks Sachi for bringing Badari's essay for all to read. Knowing him, knowing his passion for CM in hearing and learning it is something to know first hand. When my generation is making its way to the exit sign, your generation Sachi, fills us with hope.

Badari's generation is even more vital, and the next definitely, and how some of the young ones stun us with their talent, dedication and hard work!

Jataayu's article is something which has to be read by all too. I read it in the other thread--three threads going on, but no need to merge them since that will confuse us and also be a headache to the admin.


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Arasi,
I have been informed by Badari that he merely forwarded the article from one of his generation.
This generation talk is depressing. Most of us embrace music and such pastimes to alleviate the pain of ageing and God bless, we are endowed with the maturity ro enjoy art. (Wilde: Youth is wasted on the young)
We also secretly celebrate the TMKs in our ambit for giving the humour and scandal portions of our brain much engagement. Stemming from precisely that advantage, we stop watching TV soap.

Except, let me confess, I went and saw Kabali. By Rajini, for whom Time stopped and stood still in veneration. But poor Rajini. No Magsaysay for him.
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A rough translation of Jeyamohan's article (http://www.jeyamohan.in/89353#.V51H9zt942w):

"I mentioned in my earlier post that it is only expression of irritation, not a critique. The award is a fraud.
Moreover, it is not just a diary noting. It will go into my books. It will be there even after a century. At a time when no one would know TMK it would be read as a footnote. If Pudumaipithan has written even a line about a musician of those days, that musician would be remembered only by Pudumaipithan’s noting. Writing endures. I wanted this fraud to be known for generations. That is why I wrote so.
The vehemence of this noting or the circle in which it will be read will not be known to TMK. I reckon that. He may not even know whether anything is written in Tamizh. His writing shows no trace of his knowledge of such things.
Therefore, this is for the target audience I expect and for posterity. The vehemence in my writing is nothing which Pudumaipithan or Sundara Ramasamy has not employed. It may be strange to the general readers.

Any cultural award must have peer level review and criticism. Only its intensity establishes the worth of the award. It is so globally. However, here the mentality is, ‘OK, someone has got an award. Let us congratulate and mind our business,’ and treating the critics as disenchanted at not getting it themselves. No one gets beyond this herd mentality. But, my view is important to me and even if no one has it, I must record it.
This criticism can be published only in this medium. It won’t be carried in the big press though I am a front-ranking writer. Even the fact that such an opinion arose would not be noticed by anyone in our circumstances. It will be discussed a bit because of its vehemence only. That is the dominant feature of our cultural habitat. This is a voice against it.
Further, I think that a writer need not bother to use euphemism. His duty is to say what has to be said, but what others hesitate to.
I have already spelt out reasons for my objections to the award to TMK. But, my opinions become controversial. I am unable to withdraw without offering a full explanation.
First, I have recorded often that casteism has a front row in our tradition. In fact, it is not Brahmin dominance, but Iyer dominance. Not just here, in any tradition-bound structure such dominance will prevail. There will be a social background to it. TMK’s voice can be taken as intolerance of it. This will be known to those who watch the music world even cursorily. I can even accept his bringing it (intolerance) out as support for Dalits, suppressed sections and revountionary musical activity. He shouts about it with maximum force through his montly articles in English paper, and it may have some effect.
But what is his achievement? Is it an achievement that one has progressive views? Who does not speak it here, progressiveness? If his progressive speech can earn Magsaysay award, monthly thirty thusand such awards will have to be distributed through the ration shops.
What is social or cultural achievement? It is doing scial service according to the principles one has espoused, with relentless patience over a long period of time and making an impact. The social workers whom we regard are all such.
Yes, only when one shows it in action, it is social service. Not merely talking about it, not shouting, not occupying media space because of money power or family background.
TMK wrote articles about casteism in CM environment. He visited four to five times the slums where the downtrodden live and sang there. Did they enjoy it? Was there any change in them? Were they drawn to that music? He himself has said that four or five people watched it as fun without understanding it. If so, why did he do it? Just to attract media attention. His aim is to hint, ‘If you do not respect me, I will throw your music in the dustbin,’ to those that dominate the music scene, and provoke them.
His singing in a slum shows actually his contempt for slum. If he was really interested, he must have started an institution for teaching music to Dalits and the other downtrodden. He must have taught at least a hundred people and at least five among them must have come up. That is social service and sharing of culture. That is not an easy task. It needs dedication, tireless effort and continuous toil. Only after it is embarked on, all complications will rear their head one by one. It is not possible for the ordinary people to face all that, overcome them and achieve. It calls for deep conviction. Everyone who has shown it in action is a god in our midst. I am willing to prostrate at their feet. For, I know that I cannot even think of it. Therefore, I derive a sense of fulfilment by bowing to them.

There is a school for the deaf in Tirupur. Murugasamy, its founder, also is hearing-challenged. He has set it up by working hard for several years with patience. I wanted to make a contribution to that school. I did not want to hand it over. I fell at his feet and placed it there.

If TMK has shown in action a small portion of what he is advocating, he will be my role model. What he does is mere abuse. Is there a dearth of abusers in Tamizh circles? If you abuse anything somehow by citing some reasons, you are a thinker, social service worker, cultural activict. If one can sing before ten to fifteen people in four or five streets some songs which they do not make head or tail of, get media publicity for it and get Magsaysay award, what is the meaning of terms such as social service and cultural service? People who distort evaluation like this actually disrespect the meaning of service, don’t they? They belittle those who dedicate their life and do service. Why do we not appreciate this difference? Should not someone ask TMK, “What have you achieved?” OK, leave it. Henceforth, let him put to action at least a small part of what he is crying hoarse about. Let him get down to the field for ten years and live with those people and serve them. I will plead guilty and apologise.

Half of those who wrote to me agree with TMK’s views and politics. Therefore, they maintain that he is a great social service worker and want to support him. They say that they will take any opposition to him as political. That is street politics. When those who are educated even a little say so, it leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
Do they not understand that all who climb the ladder getting awards here have been paying their tribute regularly from the word go? Wil such people get down to it without fine tuning political correctness? I witness many say that he got the award for opposing Modi and support him fanatically. That is a joke.
OK, let us grant that it is his true poitical stance. Does it mean that one should not question what his real socio-cultural achievement is for which the award is given? Friends, at least someone must ask it. Otherwise, it denotes that there is only political support and opposition, no socio-cultural achievement. I forgive the souls who see it as mere politics in spite of all this. Their world is different.
Is TMK an incarnation for wiping out casteism in music? Does he know about the great cultural movement for the last hundred years here? He himself says that just as people watched in fun when he sang classical music, he watched in fun when they sang folk music without understanding it. Their watching it for fun is natural. For, classical music appeals to those who have had some training and attuned their ears to it. But, if folk music looked funny to him, that is height of naivety since the music that he sings evolved from folk music. You cannot take any classical music to common people just as it is. If someone claims that, it will be the right assessment to call him an emty tin. The masses cannot enjoy it instantly. It has evolved from the music they are used to, but it has a long cultural dimension. One who knows this even a little would not utter such foolish opinions.
The south Indian music that we call CM has shaped from the ancient Tamizh PaNNisai. In the sixteenth-seventeenth centuries when it shaped up, southern province was called karnatakam generally. Since the Naiks were in power totally, that name prevailed.
The development of dimensions of music is alike worldwide. It takes off from life naturally. It is unrestrained. There would be no grammar for it. Therefore, there would be no practice to sing it. It is sung among a coterie. Others are not able to enjoy it. It is sung for work, feast, ritual and prayer. Such small traditions combine In the course of development of social formation. They coalesce into a voluntary musical flow. We call it folk music. They are like the perennial spate of rivers. Classical music is what shapes from it with construction of grammar. Only after codification of grammar, external teaching becomes possible. Experts come along. Instead of spontaneous manifestation, the system of continuous self-improvement in music takes shape. Instead of emotional ourpour, nuances assume importance. Not only singing but also listening becomes possible only thorugh practice. Therefore it turns out elitist. A lifestyle and midset for it become essential. It converses with other classical forms. It grows more and more by mutual exchange. The growth of classical music worldwide follows this route.
PaNNisai is an ancient traditional form that evolved from folk music. In the midieval period it decayed. It was discovered in the Chozha era and there was renaissance. Ancient history records that Tamizh paNs were retrieved from Nilakanta YAzhpANar. Again it disappeared from centre stage. During the reign of Telugu kings, it took rebirth mingling with northern music traditions. That is CM. This is a short history.
On the other side, folk music continues with various changes. People keep singing and enjoying it on every occasion in life. Therefore, the non-Brahmins have not been starved of music as TMK thinks. He has not gifted music to them like Prometheus brought fire from heaven. They have a different form of music. What sounds as alien to them is the grammatical tradition of the two thousand year old paNNisai. TMK has sung classical music before them without teaching it to them and made them laugh. But he has the last laugh having won Magsaysay award on the back of it.
It is a historical lie to say even that non-Brahmins had no CM. Isai veLALars cherish even today an important musical tradition. Even the other caste people practised music. Today it is with Brahmins as all except a minority. among Brahmins have given up music practice. That is the truth. As Iyers preponderate among listeners, their dominance among singers and organisations is inevitable.
The Tamizhisai movement of the last century arose with a bang. Its first prominent figure was Abraham Pandithar. There is a long list of its exponents including Dandapani Desikar, Kudanthai Sundaresanar and Salem Jayalakshmi.
The aims of Tamizhisai were twofold. One was to write the history of Tamizh classical music. The second was to take it to a wider section of the public. The first task has ended with success. We can point out a hundred books to read for those who are keen. But, the task to take it to people has mostly not succeeded. Many are the reasons for it. The place for bhakthi that was the essence of classical music was reduced in the changing lifestyle. Therefore, classical music also contracted to bhakthi music. That is the reason why lyrics like ‘ThAmarai pUttha thatAkamadi’ (Dandapani Desikar) took shape. That is the one TMK discovered anew in 2015 and gave a high pitch interview in The Hindu. Many efforts took place. Thousands of Tamizh songs were created. The forgotten Tamizhisai was resurrected by tuning and singing songs of Tamizhisai MUvar etc. They were not created by linguistic fanatics. Linguistic fanaticism will not forster art. They were created for providing songs to public in their language drawing from the life they lead. They were taken to the people in many ways. Tamizhisai manrams were also set up fpr the purpose.
Even if not directly, only through Tamizhisai, traditional music survives among the public. A few with interest in Tamizhisai are singing Tamizhisai songs. Starting from Madurai Somu and Maharajapuraam Santhanam to Sanjay Subrhmanyan, they are culling out new songs and singing.
Such a huge task has taken place. Several great predecessors have worked on it. If after it all the classical music has not caught on, there may be more subtle cultural causes. Only those who work in the field can find it out and overcome it. It is a huge task, a challenging one. Common people cannot enjoy classical music. But, it is possible to create conditions for all to sing and enjoy it. Only if it is done, it can emerge out of the current ambience of bhajan and caste identity.
For that, the grammar and technique of appreciation must be taught through persistent efforts. Institutional sustained efforts are needed.
There is something beyond all this. Classical music has convoluted into a smaller circle during its development over time. A big hiatus has befallen between it and folk music. Therefore, it is totally exotic to the ears of commoners. That gap has to be filled creatively. Tamizhaisai movement has not been able to bring it about. Its lack of significant success is due to this in my view.
It is the fate of all classical music. Look at our own poetic tradition. In the end of sanga era, the form of poetry became rigid and became grammar. SilappathikAram pierced into it and introduced folk forms like kAnal vari, vettuva vari, and Acchiyar kuravai. Tamizh tradition got a new lease of life.
Finally, during the time of Bharathi, poetry had been turned into arithmetical manipulations like yamakam, madakku, and chithrakavi. The precious jewel of a being that appeared rarely (Bharathi) broke it. He gave fresh life to our tradition by writing poems in the genre of folk songs.
In sum, the great chasm between the two music traditions that took shape has been the problem. Not that the slum dwellers could not attend the sabhas to listen to music. Not even that Iyers and Iyengars did not go to sing in the streets. It is something that should be redressed by microscopic field study, holistic training in the tradition and concerted cultural perspective.
Without realizing any of this, someone gets up in the morning, sits in a street in a kuppam, beats his thigh and sings sabha music. He writes articles in English daily proclaiming that he takes the classical music to slums. He gets the famous award on the pretext that he has done social service for bridging the social gap by music. Will such an absurdity happen anywhere else than in Tamizh?
If there is real interest in culture, this is a historic background which can be learnt in a few days. If one gets down to the field and attempt something, that clarity will be obtained. To someone who does not do that, but indulges in internecine Brahmin politics, self-aggrandisement tactics and media mania, someone like me cannot get across.
Moreover, it is established that the path down which TMK travels is the most successful in India. Sky is his limit. What can be done?"

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My heart skipped a beat on seeing google doodle today.I thought he had made it to here as well.Then i thought ,maybe it is only a question of time....Times cover.,..Mylaforbes list.Madam Tussauds,etc :)

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Google Doodle people seem to be remarkably better informed.

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A few points:
On Jeyamohan’s points:
1. TMK is an authentic musician par excellence. His vidwat is top class and it is not fair to compare it with others in bad light.
2. I have no reason to doubt his sincerity of working against social disparities but his efforts are desultory and effect nil.
3. TMK has no Iyer-Iyengar hangup as far as I could obderve. If he conceals it cleverly, I would not know, but his espousing the cause of Dalits cannot be an indicator of it.
4. The perspective of Tamizh isai seems not relevant to the context. CM has a back seat across all regions, and it is due to its ponderous nature and need for flair and initiation that is not common.
5. The lack of popularity of CM may have nothing to do with belief per se. M Karunanidhi likes CM and many atheists can sit through a CM concert. The foreign audience who listen to it are not bothered about the bhakthi element in it.
Award
It appears premature like Nobel prize for Obama when he was just into the presidency of USA. Compared to Mr. Wilson (thanks for that post), TMK’s is not even a candle to the sun.
Dalits and CM
It is a wrong fixation that CM must reach all. Each person chooses what he likes. In my boyhood at village, as I would be in bed at night I would hear the Irulas who lived in huts a furlong away beat their drums and sing gloriously. They enjoyed it and it was to them as divine as CM to many of us. All people love music except under some taboo, and the music they like is their business. We should take only willing horses to the water.

If the intention of TMK is to be in the news, he is a master strategist. The length of space he commands in rasikas.org must be a record.

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Just released:
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kvchellappa wrote:A rough translation of Jeyamohan's article (http://www.jeyamohan.in/89353#.V51H9zt942w):

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Thank you very much for your that. I have another piece, in my digital library, by Jeyamohan, that I was only able to read because of your work.
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RSachi,
When did you become President, releasing commemoration stamps?

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When I started doing photoediting on my phone, sir :D

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Denomination seems excessive. Try 0.02

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Sureshvv,
:)

But then, it will make all our 'two cents worth' worthless!

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Thanks kvchellapa for the translation of Jeyamohan's article. And I resonate with your responses to it.

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a la arunAchalak kavi:


yAdO, ivar pEccO--Edum poruLaRiyEnE! (yAdO?)

kANum dikkelAm ammA cutout pOlavE
vENumaTTum pEsuRAr paladumE (yAdO)

pATTinilE vallavar, pEccinilum tAnE!
nATTilengum muzhanguvAr paladume!
kOTTai viTTadu nAmE (uyar isai)
pATTu viDuthu politician pOlavE (yAdO?)
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யாதோ, இவர் பேச்சோ, Edum பொருளறியேனே!


காணும் திக்கெல்லாம், அம்மா கட் ஔட் போலவே
வேNu மட்டும் பேசுறார், புரியாத பலதும் (யாதோ)


பாட்டினிலே வல்லவர், பேச்சினிலும் தானே
நாட்டிலெங்கும் முழங்குவார் பலதுமே
கோட்டை விட்டது நாமே! (உயர் இசை)
பாட்டு விடுத்து பாலிடிஷன் போலவே (யாதோ)

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