T M Krishna wins Magsaysay award 2016

K Nagarajan · Post by **K Nagarajan** » 28 Jul 2016, 23:02

No community including the dalits is left out of the Carnatic Music arena.

Stalwarts have been there from all the communities.

All India Radio has done great service to take music including CM to the nook and corner of the country.

The fact is that music learning is not encouraged in schools; including Government schools.

Though we are all happy that TM Krishna got the award, the reasons mentioned looks more like a negative propaganda

on the divisions based on caste and using the reach and access to music as a base.

K.Nagarajan

Sivaramakrishnan · Post by **Sivaramakrishnan** » 28 Jul 2016, 23:43

Magsaysay
Ma g sa y sa y
Ma g sa sa

Ma Ga Sa Sa
Characteristic swaras of Natakurinji raaga

Carnatic musician gets the Award
Nice, eh?

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 29 Jul 2016, 18:48

Let us see some kanakku now

pattamaa · Post by **pattamaa** » 29 Jul 2016, 20:09

natakurinji = palvadiyum mugam = uthukaadu venkatakavi = krishna .... see the relation on how Megasaysay award has. !!

This year, SK Award doesn't generate any controversies, but to compensate for that, this award has been announced it seems.

Missing harimau terribly in these discussions

seema · Post by **seema** » 30 Jul 2016, 13:07

It seems to me that the larger issue here, is not whether or not TMK won the Magsaysay award and does he deserve to. The committees and their decisions are their own (just like we say the quizmaster's decisions are final). He is a youngster, and let's just let him enjoy his moment. I personally know of so many artistes working hard to popularize the art form, doing innumerable free gigs and speeches and demonstration-lectures to get the message across, expose more students from all communities and what not. Discussing whether they should have been ignored or sidestepped is moot - the point is that they have been. This seems to be a reward for vociferousness, that too directed at issues that are complex and far deeper than TMK himself realizes.

I see three trends all of which are disturbing.

a. That Brahmins are somehow evil and have restricted art to themselves, and now need to be publicly flogged and made to "correct" their behaviour (I have a problem with this at several levels).

b. No other community has ills or evils or transgressions of dharma that need to be picked up and look at for "reform" (again, how patronizing can we get, and who reforms whom?), including the much beleagured Dalit community. This seems to be everyone's favourite topic at the moment, and I believe that the problems and ills and transgressions go much, much deeper than the shallow discussions one is getting to see.

c. There seems to be more to this than meets the eye. And that in itself is against the very spirit of free art and a healthy democracy.

My two cents.

seema · Post by **seema** » 30 Jul 2016, 13:12

Absolutely. Just posted on this yours_truly. Do take a look at the end of the thread.

Ananth · Post by **Ananth** » 30 Jul 2016, 23:34

http://swarajyamag.com/culture/magsaysa ... fQ.twitter

What needs to be questioned is not the “politics of the art”, as the citation mentions, but the “politics” of this award.

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 31 Jul 2016, 07:42

Make it
Politics of the artiste.
Politics of the Award.
Politics of bending the truth.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 02 Aug 2016, 17:16

Just a bit of loud thinking in a delayed fashion
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In first pass I was thinking what did TMK do to get this award . In short I was in the same camp as few of you have stated that he has not accomplished and earned yet and has just taken a few baby steps . Should one get awarded for just taking baby steps.

In second pass , I was just running my mind if ever a CM artist is worthy of this award as social responsiblity and CM are bit mutually exclusive . I was thinking about few artists in my mind .UKS - a great artist but has he done anything to the community in social cause. TNS and TVS very nearly the same- each of them were only focussed on art . How about PSN mama he has trained 100's of students . My mind was racing to Illayaraja and SP Balasubramaniam(approximating these two geniuses as near CM artists) - they have done some thing to the society , like illayaraja spending his own money and time during dec 2015 floods and helping the poor. But let us leave out these great film artists as this is CM forum - I am so surprised that they are not considered - one reason there is no international media writeup . I donot have that much opinion about sudha ragunathan and the bombay jayashri they start the foundation but it is more a marketing tactic to get more musical opportunities. One of them who falls close and is sincere is DR sundar(he is to me the most deserving of YACM team) who genuinely has taken CM to few schools where caste creed and religion did not play a part - however few of those schools had a more tambras lineage.

In third pass the truth is none of the CM musicians deserve magsaysay .Possibly MS amma truly deserved it as it is evident with her actions where her benevolence and kindness to help in charities was demonstrated for decades . Is every noble prize awardee in physics or chemistry as great as say Albert Einstein -I am atleast assuming there is an ocean of difference between einstein and other awardees. With the same analogy who deserves magsaysay after MS amma (The Carnatic music einstein). We have to compromise on the achievement aspect.

I think what constitutes for award is continous writeup and journalism which has more reach than any of the music that today's carnatic musicians have . Taking TM Krishna his writeup in The HIndu has been going on for decades , the write ups that are published not in the local chennai or bangalore Friday review but on the weekly supplements that gets published through out India in his mouthpiece The Hindu. The tentacles got spread with more writeups in more internet and other media where his reach is far higher day by day. Also he has taken a sincere effort to reach out to fresh faces from other community- I am still not clear as to how it works out in Olcott kuppam where I see he packaging with other popular programs - just like few carnatic musicians who use their authority and power to keep their programs next to a more popular namasankeerthanam / drama / dance drama. But I liked his guts there to reach to the unheard places where CM is absolutely not known. Also he understands the writeups in his name is going to give more mileage than his chakkani raja extra sangathi.The world is all about marketing .Bottomline he is doing something for sure which is a good and okay measure ,I always find his effort to reach out to more masses in the social upliftment category is mainly done by him and his team . Otherwise Most of the other artists are simply not there .

In fourth and final pass, if some one in carnatic music has to get magsaysay as of today who has to get it . Should none get it ???, I think only TMK is the best winner . Here I am assuming the emerging category is giving to young artists just like yuva puraskar award which is given by govt of india . I am assuming there is a age bar limit for this emerging category - magsaysay and need not be compared to full blown magsaysay (can some one let me know on that )

Conclusively as they say in a land of blind a one eyed man is the king . Accolades to TM Krishna- he is going to swim up in the wave and hopefully other CM artists also go up in this tide. I am happy that some CM artist has got it as my *beloved CM* deserves the second magsaysay in 2016 after 1974.

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 02 Aug 2016, 17:40

Rajesh,
Fifth pass:
Oh beloved CM, who can serve your cause?
One who teaches hundreds, one who draws full houses,
One who practises ten hours a day, one who masters the art,
One who earns laurels by years of dedication,
One who is a beacon to North and South at even at a ripe age of 86,

Or one who spreads canards about your bigotry,
One who foists the crime of exclusiveness to your shocked face,
One who rants about capital punishment and Sri Sri,
One who insists on ticketless concerts but takes his purse,
Sings to uninterested fishermen and then makes a song and dance about it,
One who mishmashes your form and content
As a protest against tradition,
And finally says you need to get out of your man-made ghetto!?
Is he a God? A Superman? Or a Magsaysay awardee?

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 02 Aug 2016, 20:29

One who rants about capital punishment and Sri Sri

I'm fine with TMK on those issues.

In fact, I'm as fine with him taking up journalism and editorial/social comment as I would be with him having to take up one of those awful things like accountancy or or consultancy. Everybody has to make a living. Everybody is entitled to as wide a range of interests as their brain cells will support. No problem. All of us, excepting the ones who believe that the life of a carnatic musician in the 21st century has to be one of deprivation and aestheticism, are probably fine with that. Many would congratulate him if his writing, in its own, err, right, won him awards. It would be nothing to do with music, and only the mean dislike seeing personal success unless it it is at the expense of others.

At the least, it would be nothing to do with us.

But that is not the case.

Is he a God? A Superman? Or a Magsaysay awardee?

Is he even a good writer?

seema · Post by **seema** » 02 Aug 2016, 20:49

This is in direct response to rajeshnat.

Anil Srinivasan and Sudha Raja run Rhapsody that has taken music to thousands of children particularly in Corporation schools. This is known. Google it..

Aanmajothi Natarajan has enlisted the help of Nithyashri and others for a similar project. Google this also..

I know elsewhere you've dismissed AS but that isn't the point. It's the service.

Ravikiran worked with Sarva Shiksha Abhyan to create a framework for CM in all poor schools.

Just in case there really is a race to pick up someone from CM as clearly there seems to be no merit or good work outside it to follow your logic.

And how nicely he has brought caste into this. And broken something precious.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 02 Aug 2016, 20:59

TMK is enormously successful. His wife says that critics make him strong. It is the attention he gets that he likes and will provoke more in the coming days because he knows he has a ready market. To ignore him and his music is what may make him regain sense.
It is not that one cannot have frank views or non-conformist views. One has to be consistent and truthful. That he is not. He seeks sensationalism. His taking to journalism is not the point in contention, but that he has stooped to their level.
His taking CM to people who do not even know that it exists is not a matter for ridicule, but that in the process he slings mud at the history of the art and the artists unjustly is the aberration. In one interview he says that Brahmins shut out other people by showing by their behaviour that they are not welcome. He has not seen the audience in Thiruvaiyaru. There is an air of arrogance and 'I can do no wrong' that is the block.
I have corresponded with him and he does not carry it on when he finds no answer. He wrote once, 'I am of the determined view that ..' without having adduced reasons and in the face of contrary evidence. A man who has unalterable view cannot be seeking truth. He has become a politician and is no different from what we have been used to all these years in politicians.
The criticism is not on issues where differences are bound to exist, but on the attitude and predisposition.
A thousand awards cannot make him great unless it is achieved on truth and by truth. At the moment he has taken a route that does not lead to truth. I am very sure he will have nothing to show in the crowded agenda he pursues with no foucs, firstly because to get results hard and sustained work is called for and there is no trace of it, and nothing worthwhile was ever achieved on the basis of hatred and bad mouth, and without love and forgiveness.
Ravana, Duryodhana, etc, were brilliant and highly accomplished. Ravana was also a musician. It is not just talent that is creative, but something more. I do not think we should be awed by mere talent if it is not accompanied by other endearing qualities and a spirit of working with all.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 02 Aug 2016, 22:54

With the assumption that Magsaysay is yet not awarded- let us rewind the clock to June 2016 , can one of you put any cm artist name and justify in 4 to 6 sentences why that person has to get the award? I was just running all the names now - i will keep my score private at this time.How about you especially Rsachi and kvc??

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 02 Aug 2016, 22:57

seema wrote:This is in direct response to rajeshnat.

Anil Srinivasan and Sudha Raja run Rhapsody that has taken music to thousands of children particularly in Corporation schools. .....

Seema,
Is sudha raja mother of rithvik raja?

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 03 Aug 2016, 00:13

Rajesh,
If what some say is true that TMK loves to be in the headlines, he's having a field day at the moment

As belonging to a small part of the Rasikas.org community which is of a certain age (and more), I say this. We have fortunately (?) seen oh, so many individuals who served the nation, cities and communities, in an unbelievable manner (you can only imagine that today). And while it awed us, their adhering to their principles and tireless action, were taken for granted. We didn't even think about awards for them, nor did they. They were occupied with their mission and its goals.

You know me enough I think (all these years) to consider me to be open minded about things. This brahmin question, one way or the other, was not in my environment in the sense, I understood it to be that all are created equal, but do differ in the way we think and act. MaN (native land, native village) are close to our hearts, but caste does not make a difference in our thinking and our sense of values.

Worse, without meaning to, he might be fueling caste differences, its achieving the opposite of what he wants to change! That's why, when I think highly of TMK's musical gifts, also his wanting to make positive changes in society, I am concerned about the way in which he expresses himself. While I do admire his wanting to be a catalyst in making society richer with the powers of art, I worry about his foraging into everything in sight and making them his business. I see no problem with it even, except that he does it with such hoopla, and worse, anger. We are all capable of being angry with things which are not fair, but the way he goes about it in print is disagreeable to many. Righteous anger has its say, but also has its limits.

That's why, my not having any hang ups (I hope) about my caste makes me feel uncomfortable, though he belongs to the same caste as mine.

He could be very well meaning, no doubt, but his having it carte blanche--like the original Krishna had, to steal butter from the homes in his community--to find his way into many issues, political and otherwise, and utilizing the press to publicize them...will only make any of his noble efforts get watered down...

seema · Post by **seema** » 03 Aug 2016, 00:22

Hi Rajeshnat yes I think Sudha Raja is rithvik 's mom.. but works with or in partnership with Anil S. (Who is a cousin of TMK so this might well lead back to Square 1

.. but still.

Arasi... what a lovely way of expressing it. Couldn't have put it better.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 03 Aug 2016, 06:56

Sri Rajeshnat,
I wonder whether the question 'If not TMK who' would arise. The award, as I understand, is given for contribution to society. Smt MS was awarded for her colossal contribution to various causes, not for her music. If taking music to a wider circle is indeed a contribution worth recognising in the charter of Magsaysay, the names that come to mind are Subhasree Thanikachalam, Cleveland committee and Mudra, but I am not sure that it is enough. If philanthropy is to be recognised, Azit Premji and Infosys Foundation have done quite some work going down to the people that have been neglected. Unnati in Bengaluru is helping in vocational training and finding jobs for such people.

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 03 Aug 2016, 08:10

Re post #64,
Rajesh, I have thought deeply and intensely before responding to your question.
The field of Carnatic music is a learnt and practised classical art form with primacy being the connect between teacher and taught, and performer and audience. Therefore the Magsaysay, if at all iy should be given to anyone in CM, has to be given to the most progressive and liberating force of a personality in this art form. I think the award should go to Sri K. J. YESUDAS.

His music has reached millions. He has practised what he has preached. If I am not mistaken, many Catholics around the world, especially nuns from Kerala and Philippines, listen to his music regularly.

The Magsaysay citation lines apply to him so well:
“Music and the arts are capable of bridging cultures and civilizations and liberating us from artificial divisions of caste and race.”

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 03 Aug 2016, 09:34

Sachi,
The thread on Abraham Pandithar started by V. Kailasm some years ago is revived by Pasupathy today. You can find Jesudas being mentioned there in maduraimini's post earlier...

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 03 Aug 2016, 09:46

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex. It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction" - Albert Einstein

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 03 Aug 2016, 11:30

Rsachi wrote:Therefore the Magsaysay, if at all iy should be given to anyone in CM, has to be given to the most progressive and liberating force of a personality in this art form. I think the award should go to Sri K. J. YESUDAS.

No chance. Because instead of lobbying he is still fighting for the cause.

Last I heard the Guruvayur devaswom decided to make an exception for him which he has politely refused. He says anyone wanting to experience the temple and willing to abide by the rules of the temple should be allowed in, regardless of the accident of their birth, i.e. Injustice against anyone is injustice against everyone.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 03 Aug 2016, 12:38

I just googled to find out bit more about that key word emergent.

Emergent Leadership, to recognize an individual, forty years of age or younger, for outstanding work on issues of social change in his or her community, but whose leadership may not yet be broadly recognized outside of this community.

Looks TMK born in 1976 just made it as he is 40.

Check the ramon magsaysay website in the below link for categories
http://www.rmaf.org.ph/home.php?id=2&page=category

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 03 Aug 2016, 13:32

I feel Madam A Kanyakumari herself is an ideal candidate for the International award for the sheer number of students on stage now.It is a well known fact that she does not charge any fee and treats rich/poor alike.
The only reason why TMK got the award is his actions are well publicised such as his concerts in unison with fishermen folklore and his well known outburst on the conventional Carnatic music scene.He himself is a byproduct of the conventional CM.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 03 Aug 2016, 13:48

hnbhagavan wrote: The only reason why TMK got the award is his actions are well publicized

The only reason why TMK got the award is his actions are well publicized with clear messanger targets like gopalakrishna gandhi , amartya sen to lift him up to the next pedestal.

ram1999 · Post by **ram1999** » 03 Aug 2016, 14:30

Rajeshnat ....

Amartya Sen - Nobel Prize lost its value - No one knows his contribution in the field of economics. He himself is wondering now !!

Gopalakrishna Gandhi - Except being the Governor of WB and the grandson of MG, contributions are debatable.

TMK - Arrogance personified, an average musician who has been held very high in the field of music. No contribution as an emergent leader .....

It is futile to justify the award for the sake of justifying.....

ram1999 · Post by **ram1999** » 03 Aug 2016, 17:15

for Krishna, being controversial and continue to be in the limelight seem to be an easier option than competing with current crop of musicians who are far superior !!

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 03 Aug 2016, 17:43

Consequence of JK schooling as opposed to vidya mandir or PSBB

SrinathK · Post by **SrinathK** » 04 Aug 2016, 01:19

@sureshvv, Don't know if you'll believe any of this or not, but I'll say it anyway. I think JK suffered a kundalini awakening experience, stumbling upon it accidentally. What he really calls the process is what Gopi Krishna or Yogananda would describe as a complete remodelling of his system. His statement of "truth being a pathless land" is actually the same as that of Ramana Maharshi and I'm quite certain he actually got plenty of glimpses of samadhi.

But in the end I think he just couldn't put down his experiences very clearly. It's likely that the process was far from complete when he died too, so he kind of got stuck halfway, having had several glimpses and then having to return back to earth. It's no wonder why his writings are all about questioning every structure that has been created. The experiences of many NDEs talk about such fantastic stuff, and as far as I can accept them, I find them to be a much more direct description of the experience behind what is otherwise abstract philosophy. Philosophy without the experience behind it can be ripe for much speculation and misinterpretation, usually interpreted to suit an agenda far removed from the original experience.

At the bottom of it, it's the same thing that's in Sankara's Vivekachudamani or the Vedanta or the Gita as well... but hey, that sounds like what <cough, cough> Brahmins or Hindus generally believe in, right?

I therefore don't see what any of all that JK wrote has to do with TMK's views on Carnatic Music, except that it might have influenced him to become a destroyer of structures. If I read my Gita correctly though, breaking down all structures and sitting in a void isn't quite the same thing as actually transcending them.

If anything it only serves to highlight the discrimination rampant in our media even further. Alienation that is burned down using another form of alienation is bound to burn a barrier here and build another one there. Sadly the case of the Carnatic rasika being treated as a non-conformist weirdo by the rest of the world shall never be reported in truth, except by those who have experienced it.

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 04 Aug 2016, 10:03

WONDERFUL :

I therefore don't see what any of all that JK wrote has to do with TMK's views on Carnatic Music, except that it might have influenced him to become a destroyer of structures. If I read my Gita correctly though, breaking down all structures and sitting in a void isn't quite the same thing as actually transcending them.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 04 Aug 2016, 10:50

I don't think the JK school itself has that much to do with what JK wrote about. These things are not spoon fed.

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 06 Aug 2016, 10:31

Magsaysay Award has a cash component of Rs 20 Lakhs,much more than the Sangeethakalanidhi cash component.

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 06 Aug 2016, 12:36

What is sangeetha kalanidhi cash component. Just a curiosity.

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 06 Aug 2016, 12:56

Sangita Kalanidhi M.S. Subbulakshmi Award carries a cash prize of Rs.1 lakh.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 06 Aug 2016, 13:33

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 06 Aug 2016, 15:58

The sangeethakalanidhi cash is Rs 1 lakh,but there is one more award in the name of MSS for Rs 1 lakh which is given to SK.But because of SK,some more awards aere ensured like SRLK Award,SVNarayanaSwamy Award from Bangalore.May be there are some more from other places.But it may not be near Rs20 lakhs Magsaysay Award.
Most of the awards given locally rs50,000-1,00,000 range.
Curiosity: What is the cash in Nafasurabhi award?

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 06 Aug 2016, 19:04

.
From the website of The Music Academy, Chennai :-

"Sangita Kalanidhi
"Considered a lifetime achievement award and the highest accolade in the field of Carnatic music, it came into existence in 1942. Prior to that, a senior musician/expert was invited to preside over the Music Academy’s annual conference. In 1942, it was decided that the musician so invited would be conferred the title of Sangita Kalanidhi, the award comprising a gold medal and a birudu patra (citation). Since 2005, the Sangita Kalanidhi also receives the MS Subbulakshmi Award instituted by The Hindu. This cash award has seen its value enhanced by generous contributions by P Vijaykumar Reddy, son of past Vice-President P Obul Reddy."

http://musicacademymadras.in/fotemplate ... 304891133e

The Hindu dated 16 Dec 2015 :-

"The prestigious Sangita Kalanidhi M.S. Subbulakshmi Award was conferred on Carnatic vocalist Sanjay Subrahmanyan. The award, instituted by The Hindu , carries a cash prize of Rs. 1 lakh and a memento."

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/che ... 993962.ece

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 06 Aug 2016, 19:24

Sangita Kalanidhi "Considered ... ... ... the highest accolade in the field of Carnatic music..."

Well, they would say that, wouldn't they!

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 06 Aug 2016, 19:26

You see folks, the ghetto is not only distracted by caste, now it is lured by lucre. Shame on Carnatic music. Glory to the liberator!

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 07 Aug 2016, 19:00

"The Magsaysay Awards are usually given to those who have had a lifetime of demonstrated work and results. Even Krishna’s admirers would be hard-pressed to come up with a tangible list of the things he has done to deserve the award."

http://swarajyamag.com/culture/the-mags ... -the-award

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 07 Aug 2016, 22:14

... true, and he starts well, but the author of this article later parts from common sense...

The award is meant to lock him in his current path; it is meant to prevent the return of the ‘prodigal’ to the Brahminical fold from where he emerged and won his popularity, acclaim and stature. It is to ensure that the split and division within the community – between Krishna and those who support him and others who don’t – continues to fester. ‘Divide and rule’ is not that original, but it has been put to good use here.

For this to be plausible, there would gave to be a good reason for some far-off Philippines trust caring about Brahmins, Indian caste, Indian music, TM Krishna, and how it all fits together. Why would those guys care in the least whether TMK spends his days chanting Sanskrit over a fire or sitting in an American Macdonalds munching VeryNonBrahminBurgers*? And what, in this context, would they have to gain from "divide and rule?" This is not the one-time colonisers, it is not even anybody with any direct political interest or influence: they have nothing to gain or loose from these issues, and especially not from one man's part in them.

*A blunt and badly-formed analogy simply meant to express extremes of in and out of the fold. No offence intended to either. Probably should be a better way of expressing it.

vinsim · Post by **vinsim** » 08 Aug 2016, 14:06

And what, in this context, would they have to gain from "divide and rule?"

This seems most obvious that far-off Philippines would have nothing to gain. But there is more to it than meets the eye. Magsaysay award is backed by Rockefeller Foundation and is an example of one avenue through which global NGO's and think tanks try to exert influence (cultural, political and religious) all over the world using subversive tactics.

Why do they do it? I refer you to the works of Rajiv Malhotra for starters.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 08 Aug 2016, 16:04

There are no issues, no valid conspiracy theories, not even paranoia that could possible make TMK significant outside a tiny group of people. not as a musician nor as an activist. It wouldn't surprise me if he would not be willing to say this.

Perhaps he would like to be more significant as an activist; perhaps he would like to be greater as a musician. Perhaps he might be working towards such ambitions. But, as of now, the main objection to his receiving an award for social inclusiveness is that, however great and good his intentions, he has not actually done very much. It doesn't take anybody's works for me to see that whether TMK is in or out of "his" crowd is of no significance to anyone (except perhaps those close to him) whatsoever --- national, religious, secular, political, international, commercial or whatever.

But hey, where else can we go from discussing this rather absurd award? Bring on the conspiracy theories!

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 08 Aug 2016, 19:02

Just because we are paranoid, it doesn't mean there is no one plotting to kill us all!

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 08 Aug 2016, 20:00

SureshVV,

you're sounding like Trump. But just the other day I compared TMK to Trump!

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 08 Aug 2016, 20:06

Just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean the world isn't out to get you. Oh, sure, very true.

And just because it's a "conspiracy theory" doesn't make it false.

I just don't think that TMK is big enough for conspiracy theories. Yet.

SrinathK · Post by **SrinathK** » 08 Aug 2016, 20:13

Let it not get that personal. Arguments are meant to be proved or disproved with facts and logic.

But Trump ... wow. If the US votes for him, I will stop considering America as a developed nation.

Always_Evolving · Post by **Always_Evolving** » 08 Aug 2016, 20:21

Hey Nick -- you mean you don't know?! That the Magsasay award is part of the big Christian (American) plot to destabilize our country via the route of Rockefeller, Ford, Philippines and Indian activists. I am sure Sonia Gandhi fits in somewhere there but not sure exactly where. And how better to destabilize than make TMK unpopular on rasikas and in the few non-December sabha slots he still sings in?

First they will come for our yamuna kalyani. Then they will take control of our Yama - Niyamas. And in the end we will hold the bible, they the land. Don't worry though -- you are an honorary Tamil-Brahmin and we will share our caste with you even after we convert.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 08 Aug 2016, 20:42

SrinathK, nothing personal, I'm just trying to keep this thing in perspective, which is not easy. None of this means I don't still like and respect TMK as a musician, which I do, very much.

It's been said that TMK has no time for rasikas.org, but if he does ever stop to giggle at us, I would think that he would be splitting his sides at the idea of him as star of an international destabilising theory.

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 08 Aug 2016, 21:21

Without taking any sides on this, I think, Nick, that the drift of that Swarajya article was that by awarding the Magsaysay to a man of words and controversies with no real body of social work, they are splitting the respective creative art space into for and against factions. From Islam to Chrstianity to Bengal and the Congress party, factionalism has always been destructive and distractive. This very forum's obsession with the award even after we know of TMK's contempt for us shows that the award strategy has worked! My 20000 ft view. (That is the distance from my home to TMK's concert venue at Unnati).