What is a good generic name for the average CM rasika?

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 04 Sep 2016, 14:25

Like John Smith or Joe Blow - but for a carnatic music rasika.

Any suggestions?

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 04 Sep 2016, 15:00

Hifi
Karn Anand

LoFi
Srota Ram

Easy to use
Venkat Subbu

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 04 Sep 2016, 16:47

PAttu Raman (from sappAttu Raman)

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 04 Sep 2016, 17:31

pATTuk kETpavar ??--because that includes ramAs as well as rAmAs...

Simply 'listeners' in english??

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 04 Sep 2016, 17:34

C M K
Carnatic Music Keluvavaru=keTTuppavar

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 04 Sep 2016, 18:52

Isai Tuglak

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 04 Sep 2016, 19:42

We may perhaps say 'karnatakam' simply because that is what the family and friends think of listeners of CM!

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 04 Sep 2016, 21:50

True viSrAnti seekers who later became zombies if you ask our friend 747!

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 04 Sep 2016, 23:36

kabAli

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 04 Sep 2016, 23:46

To guide the thinking so we catch on to Suresh's drift, it is a context like this
'the typical Joe Blow can't afford to stay at the new five-star hotel'
'Television today is geared to your average Joe Blow'
'What do you think Joe Blow really thinks about all this?'
--
What are the characteristics of a CM Joe Blow? Likes CM but not a geek, Practical, Overall pleasantness of muic is important without too much analysis.can identify a few ragas and knows quite a few popular songs

Something along those lines
--
To use in a sentence, say the term is 'sA dhA' ( can mean sAdhAraNa rasika )
'Your typical sA dhA would not be caught dead in an MDR concert'

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 05 Sep 2016, 00:14

yasOdhA
One time a sA dhA
now looks at other sA dhA
a sOdhA

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 05 Sep 2016, 01:01

Nice haiku

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 05 Sep 2016, 01:40

vAkku haikuvAi vAithadu!

sadA isayil illAda, sAdA listener kETpavar maTTumE AvAr. rasika tanmai uDaiyavar, but hasn't become a serious rasikA yet...

Sundara Rajan · Post by **Sundara Rajan** » 05 Sep 2016, 03:13

What is wrong with the word Rasika ? Why do we need another ? Rasika after all is not an English word that needs to be replaced ! It is a samskrit word understood by all Indians. Perhaps you may classify the rasikas as "beginner rasikas" vs "advanced rasikas".

mahavishnu · Post by **mahavishnu** » 05 Sep 2016, 05:10

Average CM rasika = mean mAmA

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 05 Sep 2016, 06:38

Rasikap peru makkaLE! (lofty audience) is how we are addressed by the organizers. We come in all shapes and shades--mAmAs and mAmis and younger ones. Even the lofty ones in the audience are different in their assets and qualities. So, Sundara Rajan has a point

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 05 Sep 2016, 07:00

sAdA rasika does not any longer get sa-pa music ( aligned to Sruti) OR sa-da-s music ( weighty ones) instead gets a sAda sa-bha music. Walks out for a sa-mo-sa during tani and gets back for a sa-ma-sa (madyama Sruti ) tukkada.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 05 Sep 2016, 07:06

Shankarank: balE balE

Sundara Rajan: Joe Blow, Joe Sixpack are figures of speech and Suresh is looking for something like that for a CM rasika.

Figure of Speech : a word or phrase used in a non literal sense to add rhetorical force to a spoken or written passage

varsha · Post by **varsha** » 05 Sep 2016, 09:42

kanjoos
miserly in paying for the listening
(AVERAGE RASIKA)
kAn juice - ear filled with musical sweetness
(ABOVE AVERAGE RASIKA)

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 05 Sep 2016, 10:13

Think "Paatu Raaman" or "Paatu Ramaa" sounds closest!

May be Sangeeta instead of Paatu for wider acceptance.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 05 Sep 2016, 12:05

Is it like medicines? Are "generic" rasikas cheaper than the branded ones?

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 05 Sep 2016, 12:17

Once they went to a Carnatic Concert,
Nam, Tom, Ram, and Som.

Nam was a great Tamil kritis' buff,
Tom was crazy about Arudi and stuff,
Ram couldn't have Tyagaraja enough,
Som truly believed the TMK bluff.

All four were keen on the PURE Carnatic,
But different things made each one tick.
If you went looking for the average Dick,
Tom, or Harry, you just couldn't pick.

And I haven't even started about the Mami,
For her stones, gold, and silk, won't get me.
But for THE all important Carnatic Mami,
Music without colour is a double whammy.

Of course,
I say,
Finally:
Glory to the Carnatic Mami, and Mama,
Ni Mahimamemi, O Rama Rama!

ganeshkant · Post by **ganeshkant** » 05 Sep 2016, 12:25

Once I was warned by my friend not to become a MMR (Mamool Mylapore Rasika)and be complacent.When I asked him to explain he replied thus.
When the artist starts singing say for e.g sobillu he (MMR) will jot on a piece of paper sobillu - jaganmohini bit openly so that the next seater willl be able to see and proudly look at him and glance sideways also triumphantly.But even after listening for decades he would have never tried to learn a bit more about Jaganmohoni.
I should say I took to his warning seriously in not becoming a MMR.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 05 Sep 2016, 16:50

Nam and Tom tried singing: what a Dhin they made!

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 05 Sep 2016, 19:19

Thanks Sachi - I can now go on Tom Toming about Arudhi!

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 05 Sep 2016, 20:39

Rsachi wrote: Easy to use
Venkat Subbu

Typical term for Joe Schmoe in Telugu parlance ( which is the dominant language for CM) will be Abba/Subba! IT folks (mostly from Telugu land) use that to indicate how dispensable

they are by their employers!

A female equivalent of that will be termed misogynistic

in this hyper-sensitive world of feminism - so I won't mention that.

Now I have given them a handle to invent a new one - misolinguistic

Ponbhairavi · Post by **Ponbhairavi** » 06 Sep 2016, 00:41

kai yedu ( like kai naattu for illiterates.)

Thiruttu adi recorder.

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 06 Sep 2016, 03:50

shankarank wrote:sAdA rasika does not any longer get sa-pa music ( aligned to Sruti) OR sa-da-s music ( weighty ones) instead gets a sAda sa-bha music. Walks out for a sa-mo-sa during tani and gets back for a sa-ma-sa (madyama Sruti ) tukkada.

Thinking about it - that is a nice theme for a parody of sabha culture - a real contemporary one

instead of all Bhakti and piety- that TMK could find useful for composing - his pet theme, what with all swaraksharams and sarcasm.

He should first get it composed in Tamil and then translate it to Telugu. Else even the audience in his new found land of music will dismiss it as telungu Dubbu!

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 06 Sep 2016, 04:10

Ponbhairavi wrote:kai yedu ( like kai naattu for illiterates.)

That is the level one museum-ization - you lost sense of the philosophy of music ( laya viSranti) and connections to heritage (chandas - verse and meter) . You indulge in philately - stamp collecting ( this rAgA , that song , these notes) !

Ponbhairavi wrote:Thiruttu adi recorder.

People who try to do this these days will realize that it is only good enough to play frisbies!

<<I edited out the objectionable content >> - But still you may remove the post if you find the rest of it objectionable.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 06 Sep 2016, 06:03

shankarank wrote:these YACMers

I realize this is very much out of topic but
that YACMer and 'thirutt adi recorder' reference brought back a flood of really bad and totally uncomfortable memories. Much more so than when that concert recording related incident happened quite a few years back. I guess I repressed them till now. Now I wish I spoke up then by not accepting the use of our forum for these hot heads to enforce their punishment on one of our members without really even having the courtesy to ask our permission. All that mattered to them was their vengeance, no matter the fact that their self prosecuted verdict and the "tattoo'd on the forehead I am a thief" kind of punishment was so out of proportion and heavy handed. Yikes.. ( I will find a different place as a final destination for this post, may be the trash can

)

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 06 Sep 2016, 06:28

General CM rasika looks for free concerts and very stingy.Would no like to part with the dear Rupee?Any appeals for monetary help is not popular and the views column number shows it all.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 06 Sep 2016, 07:23

Some of you may have seen a photo of Mathew Hayden wearing Veshti and half hand shirt and commentating for TNPL. I heard that the Tamil commentator Bosky was calling him Madhavan.

( hope the relevance to this topic is clear)

Ponbhairavi · Post by **Ponbhairavi** » 06 Sep 2016, 07:59

My apologies for the second suggestion.
It is not my intention to insinuate against anyone. In fact most honestly I do not understand the context of any old controversy. In this forum.My previous experience as a sabha secretary has often landed me in embarrassment, towards some artists and it was bitter. the fact remains that my post is hurtful ipso facto and I apologise for the same to anyone and to the forum in general.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 06 Sep 2016, 08:50

Vasanthakokilam,
I empathize. The thought of all that, even after this many years is still unpleasant

Perhaps the bitterness of it has somewhat influenced my feelings towards those who with such
unkindness dealt out their threat to our fellow-member here. All in the past, yes, but...

Ponbhairavi,
You would have written a poem in tamizh or french in protest about the incident, I think...

munirao2001 · Post by **munirao2001** » 06 Sep 2016, 12:47

"PUGAZHLENTHI" OR "POPPULY" as average CM rasika's choice is "PUGAZH"/ "POPULARITY" of the artist !

munirao2001

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 06 Sep 2016, 17:17

To caricature the lack of diversity of the audience ( another pet theme these days!) - we have to come up with something.

Here it is : Ambi Mama!

And Silk saris are an anathema , given the trauma caused to the bees killed in hot water. So to caricature that for the mamis:

paTTu mami!

That won't be misogynous - as that supports a politically correct cause!!

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 06 Sep 2016, 18:02

shankarank wrote: ... Ambi Mama!
paTTu mami!

pATTu mAmA &
paTTu mAmi !

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 06 Sep 2016, 18:08

Looks as if some of the younger members are still stuck with the idea that the present older generation are there forever--they themselves are going to 'become' them in due course, of course

Surely, other sorts, young and not so old--not necessarily Ambi mamas and Pattu mamis--are there in the audience--youngsters and mamis in comfortable and modest salwars and kurtas, all inclined towards CM in varying degrees. The teens too, I might add. They come by two wheelers, autos and by walking, I've seen this at many concerts...

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 06 Sep 2016, 18:17

shankarank wrote:
And Silk saris are an anathema , given the trauma caused to the bees killed in hot water

Bees??? Last time I checked it was silk worms....

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 06 Sep 2016, 18:20

vaNDAaDum sOlaiyilE
vaLarndadE Or musuk koTTai maramumE

The moths go round the mulberry tree...

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 06 Sep 2016, 19:22

Ok I give it to you guys. I had a slip - it is silk worms.

Lets update ourselves to the times. My brother was so upset that he couldn't get tickets to a TMK concert few years back. He being a chennaite was ruing - all these NRIs ( TMK has a point there !) pay 3k upwards for a TMK concert and he stereo typed them - he saw a Dad with Shaven head and shorts accompanying a girl in Jeans.

So there you go : Shave'n Shorts and Jeans!

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 06 Sep 2016, 19:38

I saw some guy with a shaven head at Ragasudha hall only recently.
and...

shankarank wrote:And Silk saris are an anathema , given the trauma caused to the bees killed in hot water.

rshankar wrote:Bees??? Last time I checked it was silk worms....

arasi wrote:The moths go round the mulberry tree...

Yes, it's moths Although they have no wings. "worms" is the larvae/caterpillars that eat the mulberry leaves before spinning their cocoons of silk.

I'm absolutely guilty of loving the silk saris while forgetting that vast numbers of creatures die so that they can be made

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 06 Sep 2016, 19:44

Nick H wrote:I saw some guy with a shaven head at Ragasudha hall only recently.

Was he wearing shorts too?

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 06 Sep 2016, 20:18

A place worm and bee are together:

Book worms heading to the Spelling bee

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 06 Sep 2016, 21:01

shankarank wrote:Was he wearing shorts too?

No. But there was a guy with a stopwatch... He was!

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 06 Sep 2016, 21:34

Here's a poll. What is the most dislikeable thing about an NRI rasika according to you?
1. His shaven head
2. His shorts with braces
3. His hairy legs that stick out however he sits
4. His most irritating accent
5. His eager beaver approach to CM
6. His comeuppance from hosting our artistes when they travel there, hungry for Indian "home" food
7. His nonchalance about $25 tickets that make us wince in pain
8. His chewing gum
9. His explaining CM to his kids in a most irritating manner
10. His very presence during the season

Cautionary note: Relations between India and USA can go chilly if you express too much of an anti-NRI stance. Also note this forum is run by NRIs braving time zones etc.

Post-Script: Everyone I have spoken to, from Sri KVN to.. to.. to.., have categorically stated that NRI rasikas and CM students show greater application and commitment to our music and tradition, and really the future of CM is very bright there irrespective of who wins, Rep. Or Dem.

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 07 Sep 2016, 19:05

Wow rsachi!!! The observations are true of second generation not Ist generation

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 07 Sep 2016, 20:15

VKR,
Of course. I know that you yourself are an NRI teaching CM! So KVN was talking about the likes of you

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 07 Sep 2016, 22:27

I believe, we cannot teach any one. I believe in sharing my knowledge and it is up to students to absorb and and parents follow up their children for practice.

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 08 Sep 2016, 07:33

Rsachi wrote:7. His nonchalance about $25 tickets that make us wince in pain

After all that shell out - all they got was an elitist tag , ash on the face which still they think is a makeover and being asked to wear beach pants instead of jeans and enjoy the music with an ionic breeze!

So there you go - Shaven'n shorts and beach pants!