kavaDi Cindu / siddhar pATu

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 25 Jul 2006, 12:29

I've Googled long and hard to find the lyrics to the kavaDi Cindu which has lines beginning [excuse typos]:

veTTa vELi / tAvAram illai / mAngAi pAl - this has been rendered by KVN/Sanjay/Vijay Siva.

Could someone help with the lyrics and a recording?

Thanks very much / -Prashant-

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 25 Jul 2006, 17:15

These three are from the 32 stanza composition by Kudambai Siddhar:

veTTa veLi tannai mei enru iruppORkkup-paTTayam EdukkaDi kudambAi paTTayam EdukkaDi

mAngAip-pAl uNDu malai mEl iruppOrkkut-tEngAip-pAl EdukkaDi kudambAi tEngAip-pAl EdukkaDi

tAvAram illai tanakkoru vIDillai tEvAram EdukkaDi kudambAi tEvAram EdukkaDi

vijesh.r.c. · Post by **vijesh.r.c.** » 05 Jan 2007, 13:25

this is the first line of kaavadi chindu"MANJU NIHAR" which was sung by MSS.please can any one send the lyrics of this?

meena · Post by **meena** » 05 Jan 2007, 23:56

manju nigar kuntaLa. (kAvaDi cindu).

1: manju nigar kuntaLa minnE shata taLangaL vikasitam shei
vArisAdanattil vAzh ponnE sheyya vannamE oLir shonnamE naDai
annamE iDai pinnamE pera vandadana pAra vanciyE
ati viruppattuDan uraikkum vArtaiyai kEl Ashai minjiyE
2: anju vayadAna paruvam tanil enadu shiru manai mun
angashavEL pOla uruvam peTrE anru vandu nayandu mAlaiyil
nenjazhindu mayangavE puNar Arumukha vElavanaiyE
ninaivu koNDE mati maruNDE Arudillai enna vinaiyE
3: enniraNDu kaNNum tEDudE kanavinilum manadu ninait-
tEkkamut-ralaindu vADudE munnam enran Agama donravE puNarn(du)
anru pOna guhanran Avalai eNNi eNNi enna payanE
urugi nidam marugi vizha ippaDi vidittAn ayanE
4: cenni kuLam vAsan iniya tudi anudinamum
sheidiDum aNNAmalai dAsan pADum sindu mIdu migunda mOhamu-
rum sushIla guhan sarOruha divya mukhangaL ArumE
kaNgaLil kaNDAl peNgaLukk kellAm shelvidam vAyum UrumE

smala · Post by **smala** » 13 Oct 2009, 10:14

Such a beautiful song - MSS is just superb -- a translation would be most helpful.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 13 Oct 2009, 20:46

S-P, I find these particularly hard to translate. But from what I understand, when Sri Reddiar composed these kAvaDis to keep the spirits of his patron up during the latter's long and arduous pilgrimage to the various paDai vIDus of muruga, he strung them together to tell the story of a nAyaki who falls in love with muruga, runs away with him and marries him in secret, before coming back home.

In this, the lovelorn nAyaki is explaining her plight to her friend/sakhi/pAngi. I have interpretted (just the two commonly sung caraNams)most of this contextually. Corrections and comments welcome...

caraNam 1
manju nigar kuntaLa minnE shata taLangaL vikasitam shei
vArisAdanattil vAzh ponnE sheyya vannamE oLir shonnamE naDai
annamE iDai pinnamE pera vandadana [1] pAra vanciyE
ati viruppattuDan uraikkum vArtaiyai kEL Ashai minjiyE

Oh lady (vanjiyE) with quicksilver (pAra) grace, whose complexion glows (oLir) like gold (SonnamE), whose gait (naDai) is as graceful as a swan's (annamE), and whose slender waist (iDai) sways sinuously (pinnamE), and whose braid/hair (kuntaLam) shines (minnE) lustrously like (nigar) a beatiful dark jewel (manju), who has come here (vandadana) to obtain (pera) the grace of that precious damsel (ponnE) [1] who lives (vAzh) in a full blown (vikasitam Sei), red (Seyya)-hued (vaNNamE) lotus (vArijAdanattil) that is replendent with 100 (Sata) petals (taLangal/daLangaL)! please listen (kEL) to the words (vArttaiyai) I utter (uraikkum) while in the grips of excessive (ati) affection (viruppattuDan), and as my desire (ASai) overflows (minjiyE).

caraNam 2
anju vayadAna paruvam tanil enadu shiru manai mun
angashavEL pOla uruvam peTrE anru vandu nayandu mAlaiyil
nenjazhindu mayangavE puNar Arumukha vElavanaiyE
ninaivu koNDE mati maruNDE Arudillai enna vinaiyE

I first caught sight of him at a time (paruvam tanilE) when I was but five (anju) years-old (vayadAna) - he appeared (vandu) that evening (anru mAlayil) in front (mun) of my (enadu) small (Siru) cottage/house (manai) having acquired/with (peTRE) a form (uruvam) like (pOla) manmatha/cupid (angajavEl). As he praised (nayandu) me, I found myself helplessly (nenjazhindu) [2] intoxicated (mayangavE) and uniting with (puNar) [3] him. Oh, even now, the thoughts (ninaivu koNDE) of the six-faced (Arumu(g)kha), spear-weilding one (vElavanaiyE) are causing my head/mind (mati) to spin (maruNDE) [4], what (enna) a problem (vinayE) without solace (Arudillai) this is!

FOOTNOTES
[1] ponnE - a girl/lady/damsel who is as precious as gold (ponnu). I think the lady who lives in a red lotus is lakshmi
[2] nenjuazhindu - literally mean 'mind/heart destroyed'
[3] puNar can also mean 'marry' IIRC
[4] I have no clue what maruNDutal means - I have translated this contextually

smala · Post by **smala** » 14 Oct 2009, 02:58

Thanks, ravi but who is this lady whose grace the nayika is seeking ? "........to obtain (pera) the grace of that precious damsel (ponnE) [1] who lives (vAzh) in a full blown (vikasitam Sei), red (Seyya)-hued (vaNNamE) lotus (vArijAdanattil) that is replendent with 100 (Sata) petals......."

Sundara Rajan · Post by **Sundara Rajan** » 14 Oct 2009, 03:46

"maruNDutal" means "to be frightened" or "to be confused" and will fit in the context..

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 14 Oct 2009, 03:47

'maruNDu' may be from the word 'maruLal' meaning getting scared.

Rajani · Post by **Rajani** » 14 Oct 2009, 04:48

Ravi, Shyama,

I found the translation I had done on an earlier thread in the same forum. Hope it saves you some time.

manju nigar kuntaLa minnE - O lighning-like girl with tresses like a dark cloud
shata taLangaL vikasitam shei vArisAdanattil vAzh ponnE - O (one resembling) Lakshmi who lives in the hundred-petalled lotuses
sheyya vannamE - fair one
oLir shonnamE - shining golden
naDai annamE - (having) a swan-like gait
iDai pinnamE pera vandadana pAra vanciyE- whose heavy bosom seems to break the slender waist
ati viruppattuDan uraikkum vArtaiyai kEl - listen to these words that I say with eagerness
Ashai minjiyE - overcome by desire

2: anju vayadAna paruvam tanil - when I was five years old,
enadu shiru manai mun - before my sand-house
angashavEL pOla uruvam peTrE - with a form that is like Manmatha's
anru vandu nayandu - that day he came and displayed affection
mAlaiyil nenjazhindu mayangavE puNar - in the eventide He made me lose my heart to Him
Arumukha vElavanaiyE - Lord Muruga holding the Vel(spear)
ninaivu koNDE - thinking of Him
mati maruNDE Arudillai - my mind is confused, refuses to be consoled
enna vinaiyE - alas, which bad karma is this?

3: enniraNDu kaNNum tEDudE - My two eyes are searching,
kanavinilum manadu ninaittEkkamut-ralaindu vADudE - my heart wilts with yearning, even in dreams
munnam enran Agama donravE puNarn(du)anru pOna guhanran - That Guha who went away that day, after embracing me
Avalai eNNi eNNi enna payanE - what is the use of constantly thinking` of Him eagerly?
urugi nidam marugi vizha - Melting and falling in despair everyday
ippaDi vidittAn ayanE - thus has Brahma ordained for me

4: cenni kuLam vAsan - resident of Chennikulam
iniya tudi anudinamum sheidiDum aNNAmalai dAsan - Annamalaidasan who sings sweet praises everyday
pADum sindu mIdu migunda mOhamurum sushIla guhan - Lord Guha who is extremely enamoured by the Sindu songs sung ( by Annamalaidasan)
sarOruha divya mukhangaL ArumE - His divine six lotus-faces
kaNgaLil kaNDAl - if one sees with one's eyes
peNgaLukk kellAm - to these women ( who see His lotus-faces)
shelvidam vAyum UrumE - ?

Rajani · Post by **Rajani** » 14 Oct 2009, 04:51

shelvidam vAyum UrumE - (came up in the later posts as)
shelvvidazh vAyum UrumE - causes desire (causes the red-lips to salivate - literally)

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 14 Oct 2009, 05:47

Thanks, Rajani.

smala · Post by **smala** » 15 Oct 2009, 00:23

Thanks Rajani for the full translation -- one question : why does the Nayika take such pains to address the sakhi in such opulent terms as (one resembling) Lakshmi, ...further describing her gait, her slenderness, her physical beauty...etc......when the message of her own tale as paramour of Murugan is the crux of the matter ?

Rajani · Post by **Rajani** » 15 Oct 2009, 04:33

Just to coax her(sakhi) to take her(Nayika's) message to the Lord, I think.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 15 Oct 2009, 05:16

Flattery was bound to get her what she wanted, and excessive flattery would probably make the going faster....

Sundara Rajan · Post by **Sundara Rajan** » 15 Oct 2009, 05:20

Shouldn't the last line be "sevvidazh ( sivappu idazh) vAyum URumE (vallinum Ru) "? I do appreciate the diffficulty in transliterating tamizh words. I find Sh is often misused in place of S. Sh is to be used only when sanskrit Sh sound occurs in the tamizh word although there is no such letter in tamizh. Similarly there is a lot of confusion between vallinum and mellinum r, l, in transliteration. Just an observation.