Compositions that reflect contemporary themes.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 12 Jan 2007, 20:58

I am sorry folks about the problems of d/l from rapidshare.

Try any one of the following

http://www.rogepost.com/n/0950000633
http://www.sendspace.com/file/zp9l5m
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KLMJAAXL

incidentally I chose to leave the lyrics in Roman script instead of Tamil so that it can be read by most of you folks. My transliteration may not be optimum!

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 12 Jan 2007, 21:04

CML
Thanks for wishing us with a "stellar" song. Wish you and all rasikas a happy makara sankrAnti.

sankrAntiya SubhAShayagaLu

pongal nalvAzhttukkaL

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 13 Jan 2007, 00:16

Can't place the rAgA, cml, but some old film song comes floating into mind--Chinnappa? Jayaraman? Nagaiah?

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 13 Jan 2007, 00:25

arasi
Think MKT 'Sivakavi'

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 13 Jan 2007, 00:26

sounded like Sivaranjani...

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 13 Jan 2007, 00:31

Nope!
This one is rarer than Sivarnajani with very few compositions!
Last clue
Think HMB

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 13 Jan 2007, 00:32

CML
It sounded like a "Stellar" rAga to me and hence my original comment.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 13 Jan 2007, 00:45

CML,

it looks like the rAga from the city of victory

-Ramakriya

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 13 Jan 2007, 00:53

Ramakriya has listened to all songs from Sivakavi

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 13 Jan 2007, 00:57

Congratulations ramakriya!
Now that is a very strong clue!

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 13 Jan 2007, 03:46

From the hints given here I want to say Vijayanagari (close to Sivaranjani) - but I'm afraid my ears have listened to MLV's version of Vijayambike too many times...there's a tinge of 'shoka-rasam' in your version that's not (should not be?) there in hers.

Am I on the right track?

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 13 Jan 2007, 04:11

You are right! While I have listened to vijayambike by several (including Nityasree

I don't particularly recall MLV! I was referring to MKT's 'soppana vazhvil makizhnthu..' in Sivakavi which was very popular when it was released.
As a janya of Hemavati Vijayanagari is a strong (?minor) raga particularly suited for feminine voice. The raga was introduced historically by TiruvottiyUr Tyagayyar but popularized by HMB. Perhaps DRS can enlighten us on historical details. In my view it is a beautiful raga which should be revived and sung more often.

I hope Lakshman can tell us the available compositions.

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 13 Jan 2007, 22:55

CML
Nice composition and rendering!
I too thought it is similar to sivaranjani..didn't know the name of the rAga.

Now anyone who can post meaning?

Happy Pongal/SankarAnti to All!!

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 14 Jan 2007, 00:30

Kritis in vijayanAgari:

Ambiga na ninna nambide jagadamba ramana ninna-Adi-Purandaradasa
Anekatmane namo namaste-Adi-Muttiah Bhagavatar
Annaiye nin ponnadi tunaiye akhilanda koti-Rupaka-K.S.Krishnamurti
Asadhyam bhavati sadhyam-Adi-V.Subramaniam
Avane devar akhandan avane devar-M/Jhampa-Muttu Tandavar
Charananu kontinayya ramayya-Adi-Walajapet Venkatramana Bhagavatar
Dayai purivai taye tanjam adainden tanika-Adi-Cuddalore Subramaniam
Eshtishtu nodidaru sharadamma ishtartagala koduva-Adi-Minakshisuta
Evarito ne telupudu etulaina ipudu brotuvani-Adi-Tiruvettiyur Tyagayya
Ezhu malai vallale-Adi-N.S.Chidambaram
Gajavadana-Adi-Chitravina N.Ravikiran
Gam jamenai av menaina dyavel-Adi-Natanagopalanayaki
Jalamu seyagadura-Adi-Pallavur Mani Iyer
Jaya kamalasini sadgati dayini-Adi-Shrinivasavaradachariar
Karuvin uruvagi vayadalavile valarndu (tp)-Anga-Arunagirinathar
Kelamma moreya-Rupaka-Bangalore S.Mukund
Kurai tira unnidam muraiyidum ennidam-Adi-Kovai Subri
Lalitambike mam pahi-Adi-T.Choudiah
Lalite mam pahi dayapari lambodhara janani-Rupaka-Cuddalore Subramaniam
Mahanubhava tyagaraja maha sadbhakta- -Tiruvettiyur Tyagayya
Manohara krishnam-Adi-Bangalore S.Mukund
Manridai nadikkum manalane allal (a)-Adi-Ramalingasvami
Muralidhara-Adi-?
Ninaikka ninaikka arulananda varidhi-Adi-Murugadasar(Dandapani svami)
Nindakarira bekirabeku-Adi-Purandaradasa
Padi panindiduvom varuvir-Adi-Nila Ramamurti
Palaya mam parama daya janani papa-Jhampa-Svarna Venkatesha Dikshitar
Paradevate parashakti yuvate-Adi-Ashok R.Madhav
Partavar ullam paravasham agittulla irttidum-Adi-Kovai Subri
Parum punalum kanalum- -Abhirami Bhattar
Pirandavar yavarum petrariyappugazh petra-Triputa-Bharatidasan
Raja matangi madurapurishvari-Rupaka-Sattur Karpakam
Ramachandra surya- -Bangalore S.Mukund
Rara muralidhara guru pavanapuralaya-Adi-Lalitadasar
Shiva shanmukha-Adi-Pallavur Mani Iyer
Shrngeri nilaye sharade-Adi-?
Tanjam ena panivorai tangi tunai purivan-Jhampa-Kovai Subri
Unnarul illamal uyvagai onrundo minnena val vishum-Adi-Periasami Tooran
Velanai ninaikkada manidargal yarunrundo-Adi-Lalita Navile
Vijaya ghosham ghoshaye-Adi-V.Subramaniam
Vijaya nagari vijayalakshmi-C/Ata-Bangalore S.Mukund
Vijaya nityam shashi makutadharam bhajami-Adi-Kollegal R.Subramaniam
Vijayambike vimalatmike-Adi-Muttiah Bhagavatar
Yake nirdayanadiyo shri hariye shrikanta enemele-Adi-Purandaradasa

I always thought that this rAgA was introduced by Muttiah Bhagavatar. If so how come there is a kriti by Walajapet Venkataramana Bhagavatar is in this rAgA?

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 14 Jan 2007, 02:17

As usual I am overwhelmed. Though I have not heard these sahityams sung elsewhere!
Prof SRJ mentions that the raga was introduced by TiruvottiyUr Tyaagayyar.
Charananu kontinayya ramayya-Adi-Walajapet Venkatramana Bhagavatar may have been retuned in vijayanagari as are many other compositions in your list which however did not become popular!

You must add
soppana vaazhvil makizhnthu.. P Sivan sung by MKT in Sivakavi which is a ragamalika in vijayanagari and Bhuvanagaandhari.

Thanks Suji for the appreciation. The closeness to Sivaranjani is not accidental but the pratimadhyamam is a give away!
I trust somebody will translate it !

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 14 Jan 2007, 03:20

cmlover wrote:I trust somebody will translate it !

cmlover wrote:If you need a translation there are resources available with the new addition of 'mahakavi' to our brigade. Thanks in advance.

Mahakavi are you listening?

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 14 Jan 2007, 05:29

Well, our vAggEyakara has penned. It is a rare privilege to translate. The current court translators have delegated(!) the work to me, a newbie journeyman. I have to prove myself again, right?

OK, Here is a quick (but not dirty) version!

P: Let it bubble, let Thamizh bubble up! Let the new fragrance spread and flourish yonder!

A: The Thamizh that was nurtured by tolkAppiyar (by sowing the seeds of grammar for word construction--sol ilakkaNam) and by tiruvaLLuvar (having fertilized/strengthened the scaffold of meaning to words), let it bubble up!

C: Every town is my town! everybody is my kinsman!
All religions are equally acceptable to us!
Let the whole world enjoy the pleasure that we obtained!
There is only one creed (caste) and there is only one Lord!
Let such ancient Thamizh maxims spread everywhere!

dhuritha kAlam verse:

Let the Thamizh that was provided by our esteemed ancestors using the paddy grain of prosody to make (cooked) rice with the milk of music provided by the (Thamizh) trinity mixed with the sugarcane juice of drama , let it bubble up, boil over with enthusiasm!

There that was a quick one.

CML: I couldn't hear the audio either. It downloaded but wouldn't play on my musicmatch player. I will try again.

P. S> Incidentally we have another meaning for "pongal". You guessed it! It is "gangAsAgara". Yes, toddy is referred to as "pongal" in some circles.

Pongal vAzhttukkaL to everybody!

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 14 Jan 2007, 05:37

I don't particularly recall MLV! I was referring to MKT's

CML
This track must be with you somewhere.It is a classic.
MM Iyer with TNK-Vellore.
TNK is sublime in his response.
http://download.yousendit.com/D0C3EE6D330ECDA5

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 14 Jan 2007, 05:44

Bubble O Bubble !!
Thanks Mahakavi !

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 14 Jan 2007, 05:46

OK, I listened to the download from one of the alternates. Great job, cmlover!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 14 Jan 2007, 08:46

mahakavi,
A great translation with scholastic sprinklings by a 'newbie' (Ha!).

CML,
ellOrum Or kulam enbadai valiyuRutthum um pAdal vegu poruththam (your song which speaks of equality among men (humans) strikes just the right note)...

Happy Pongal/sankarAnthi, all!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 14 Jan 2007, 11:50

That is a splendid scholarly job sub! You have captured the 'spirit' in the translation.You are right; even now some vELALa houses they cook the rice in Toddy instead of milk!

Thanks folks! Do enjoy the 'shakkarai pongal'. We welcome the sankaranthi with a traditional pooja/invocation at the temple!

Thanks coolkarni! TNK is indeed dominating over MMI! Also noticed at around 22:58 MMI is stressing the nishaadam. As I understand Vijayanagari is nishaada varjyam. Could somebody explain whether MMi has flipped?

Question

Sankaranthi is the celebration of the uttarAyaNam. This is celebrated on the first day of 'thai' though the event occurs on Dec 21st. That must have been due to the 'precession of the equinox' over time. Has any calculation be done for the shift which will give us roughly when the practice of 'pongal celebration' started.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 14 Jan 2007, 12:02

cmlover wrote:Question

Sankaranthi is the celebration of the uttarAyaNam. This is celebrated on the first day of 'thai' though the event occurs on Dec 21st. That must have been due to the 'precession of the equinox' over time. Has any calculation be done for the shift which will give us roughly when the practice of 'pongal celebration' started.

When the precession effect taken into consideration, Vedanga Jyotisha is datable to about 400 BC. That was when sun would enter Ashwini on the spring equinox.

This gives an upper limit for the celebration of Sankranti or Solar Yugadi with current dates (i.e around the middle of the month 14/15) - Festivals were tied to these dates around this time, so even though the onset of spring has moved more than 3 weeks earlier now, we still celebrate Sankranti on Jan 14th/15..

If we say 'makara sankranti' falls on Jan 14th, we would be still technically correct, (since the boundary of the constellation has not moved) but the uttarAyaNa of the sun happens earlier than makara sankranti now.

But does not tell if Pongal celebration was done at that time (i.e 400 BC), for the practice could have started later too.

-Ramakriya

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 14 Jan 2007, 15:26

This year, sankrAnti falls on the 15th, noy today.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 14 Jan 2007, 22:21

To my great suprise, I found out that pongal falls on the 15th this year. As far as I can remember it always (?) fell on Jan 14th as the first day of the month "tai" fell on Jan 14th. Now that it is on 15th will it be so in subsequent years too or will it revert to 14th again?

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 15 Jan 2007, 02:44

Happy bhOgi (today) and pongal (tomorrow) to one and all!

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 15 Jan 2007, 23:21

mahakavi wrote:To my great suprise, I found out that pongal falls on the 15th this year. As far as I can remember it always (?) fell on Jan 14th as the first day of the month "tai" fell on Jan 14th. Now that it is on 15th will it be so in subsequent years too or will it revert to 14th again?

It can fall on on 14th or 15th ( and rarely on 13th too). It just depends on the exact time when Sun is entering the appropriate right ascension (nirayana RA of 270 degrees, for makara sankranti). Also it will change based on the users latitude, and longitude.

Since this is one specific point in time (unlike, say, a lunar tithi which is about 22 hours long), the exact time matters.

For eg - if this point of time is close to midnight on 13th, say @11:56 pm it may be considered as falling on 13th, and if the Sun were to cross this RA at 12:02 am, it may be considered as 14th.

-Ramakriya

p.s: I have taken the time @midnight for simplicity - for that is when the date changes. According to the panchanga, it may be a combination of local sunrise time, and the current tithi. Please check with experts on this

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 15 Jan 2007, 23:28

Thanks Ramakriya for enlightening on the astronomical details on the celebration of pongal/Sankaranti. It will be nice if folks who know jyOtSh can also share astrological snippets as well as puranic references.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 16 Jan 2007, 00:19

CML,
One of the posts I read today looked as though it was meant for shAdi .com! Add jyOthish and what have you?

Sorry, just kidding, folks!

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 16 Jan 2007, 00:29

arasi,

If you are refering to my post,I want to clarify that it is all science

and nothing else!

-Ramakriya

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 16 Jan 2007, 08:25

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To check the erring and reprove
Thou who art a Guiding Light
To those who seek CM Information
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You assail the innards of Google and retrieve!

A thankless job you perform Gratis
Night and day, aye! Day and night,
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Pray take it in your stride, be not offend
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Where a simple 'Thank you' will never suffice!

(With inspiration form Wordsworth's Ode to Duty)

Here is an audio (key C Major)
http://rapidshare.com/files/12016875/OdeToMeena.mp3

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 16 Jan 2007, 08:28

Ha Ha
CML back with fully recharged batteries!!!.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 16 Jan 2007, 08:42

With you guys around I'll never run out of Power!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 16 Jan 2007, 09:41

CML, Bard,
Your Ode
For min-Meena
(Min meaning minsAra,
Electric, lightening)
Is the essence
Of this sprite!

Meena,
Serve on, sweet angel!
Though stern you may seem,
With adroit admonitions
and monitoring spirit!

meena · Post by **meena** » 16 Jan 2007, 23:38

cml ur a gem! Thanku

and I only wish....
Rasikas understand that the job of a mod is NO fun.
I speak on behalf of my fellow dear friends/mods-cml, Lji, DRS. Kji, shankar and vk :
We take our 'assigned' job seriously, take the time and monitor as 'instructed' by our admin- skris.
And at times we have to use 'our cane'

BUT let me assure u it's for the best interest of our forum.
Pl. take it with a stride

'ANY action' we take we first inform and discuss with admin/mods.
We want this forum to be kicking- with fruitful discussions/learning experience for all- till the end of the time

Pl. do voice ur 'concern/problem' to us -Don't make this a habit

- BUT in a 'healthy' manner:)

Thanks!

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 16 Jan 2007, 23:43

cmlover wrote:Ode to Meena, Our Guardian Angel
(No picture or audio available)

Stern daughter of the Order of the Forum
O Meena! If that name dost thou love
Who art a Light to Guide, a Rod
To check the erring and reprove
Thou who art a Guiding Light
To those who seek CM Information
Hidden in the dark caverns of Internet
You assail the innards of Google and retrieve!

A thankless job you perform Gratis
Night and day, aye! Day and night,
And cavil if they did some ignoramus
Pray take it in your stride, be not offend
Great edifice we oft admire and gloat
Stand on foundations ne'er seen or honoured
The Forum thrives under your watchful eyes
Where a simple 'Thank you' will never suffice!

(With inspiration form Wordsworth's Ode to Duty)

Why no audio for this

-Ramakriya

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 16 Jan 2007, 23:54

Meena

it appears to me that some folks are only complaining about your 'language ' (condescending etc) and not your actions. It is too late for you to change your pattern of expressions and folks should understand that you are not 'attacking' or 'humiliating' them but only 'informing' them. The success of our Forum depends on the cooperation from all and we should not bicker and lose sleep over 'mere words'! Our policy/philosophy is indeed (correct me srkris )

Malice towards none and charity to all

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 16 Jan 2007, 23:59

ramakriya

Suggest a suitable raga and folks can try!
(note it is blank verse!)

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 17 Jan 2007, 00:22

CML, what a wonderful verse celebrating the lone lady moderator (like ANDAL)!
Meena, Thanks for speaking for us.
Just to clarify, we want this to be a thriving forum (not merely existing) and that is why we sometimes move posts, or 'edit' them. However, it is always done with the idea of increasing continuity, lessening strife, and above all, ensuring that copyright issues and other legalities are observed to the best of our ability. While many of you know that Meena's ability to retrieve info from the ethernet is legendary, she is also a great source for listings of commercial recordings and individual tracks there in. And again, we mostly post as members of this forum, and not moderators.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 17 Jan 2007, 00:40

i do like moderation but at the risk of adding fuel to the fire, let me make a plea to change one type of moderation.

I am not a fan for asking people to google first before asking a question and reminding them so every time they do. I think the intent was to save space, and avoid asking the question again and again - but big deal! If a honest question was answered to get a "quick" answer, and someone is always there to answer the question, what is wrong with that? It makes person asking question feels more comfortable posting (and in many cases i have noticed it is their first time posting). Reminding them "do google first" , can rub people the wrong way (as tone can never be conveyed electronically). We can all be more patient and supportive to anyone asking questions.

As far as wasting space, there is always enough inane chatter and other posts that discouraging these kinds of posts makes less sense.

my 2 cents.

Arun

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Jan 2007, 00:46

Arun
I dont agree on this. First of all, if you notice, we all mods consciously avoid saying "Google first" to first-time posters. Spoon-feeding is never useful in the long-term. By provoviding lyrics/meanings perhaps for the same song adnauseam, we may help out with that particular request. But asking to google may indeed sound harsh at times, but we are empowering someone to do it on their own rather than having to depend on others.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 17 Jan 2007, 00:49

cmlover wrote:ramakriya

Suggest a suitable raga and folks can try!
(note it is blank verse!)

Of course, the sAhitya being in English, this has to be sung in C major

-Ramakriya

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 17 Jan 2007, 00:51

the intent behind it can be ok and justified, but i still do not think it is anyone's prerogative. As far as ad nauseum, perhaps - but there are countless posts with zero information every week. IMHO, a same question asked and explained is way better than that.

For example, there are probably many many posts thanking people, encouraging people etc. They are all good to not that person, but also build a community feeling. I find answering a question the same way. It doesnt matter if it is well known or well accessible.

Arun

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Jan 2007, 00:54

Arun
i see what you are saying. But have you ever had to respond to the same/same kind of request several times? Often, it is us Mods who are left to respond to such requests. Does being a "Mere meber" give one the prerogative of sitting back and watching the Mods respond. It surely doesnt encourage a community feeling in the person havng to respond each time.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 17 Jan 2007, 01:05

There is a point to that. My suggestion would work only if everyone (who knows the answer) takes it as a responsibility. I guess trying to be nice(r) is hard(er) as it requires more patience

Arun

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 17 Jan 2007, 02:52

OK Ramakriya!
Rectified

I have tried to stick to C Major ( Pardon my excursion into WM

I was thinking Alaya BilAvel in my mind!
It is now your turn...

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 17 Jan 2007, 03:33

That is why I had suggested on another thread that all sAhitya texts be archived in one place so that we can ask people to look there first before requesting the lyrics of a particular song.

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 17 Jan 2007, 03:45

cmlover wrote:I have tried to stick to C Major ( Pardon my excursion into WM
.

great CML,
Very well sung. back ground music is superb

meena · Post by **meena** » 17 Jan 2007, 04:04

THANK U cml very nice,.... loss of words seeing the pic

hee hee.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 17 Jan 2007, 04:08

Good one, CML.

-Ramakriya