Vairamuthu lands in controversy for speech on Andal

[Nick H]

Might be dressed as Hindu, might even quote Hindu authority... But those Roman Catholics would be proud of some of the recent stuff in this thread.

Joyless procreation! Ah, yes, that would be the missionary position.

[harimau]

As regards history of colonialism:

The exact quote by Jomo Kenyatta on the arrival of Christianity in Kenya:

When the missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the missionaries had the Bible. They taught us how to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible.

Jomo Kenyatta himself seems to have only quoted some unknown Hawaiian:
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=KSw ... nd&f=false

See the bottom of Page 119.

[RSR]

it all depends on the person who reads...& his perception. .. To a protestant...catholic view. ; to an anti-hindhuthva , a vedic 'kudumi..! ....that apart, Nick should read George Eliot's Adam Bede.

[Nick H]

... Love triangle, child murder, hangings. Sounds good!

Actually, I'm fond of a lot of Victorian literature, but I don't think I've read George Eliot. Anyway, I think I'll pass on this one, for now at any rate. Is she like Thomas Hardy? All is for the worst in the worst of all possible worlds depressing? Hang on, I'll just have a drink and sell my wife...

[uday_shankar]

Joyless procreation! Ah, yes, that would be the missionary position.

Wicked, wicked, wickedly brilliant.

[RSR]

@154-> Once again, 'perception'. No ! Nick. You can atleast 'google' for Adam Bede. ( I suspect that you got your 'brilliant summary ' from there already!... It is about the work ethics of Adam, and the ethical and propagandist zeal of the heroine. All that in Protestant England. No. George Eliot was least like Thomas Hardy. who in his own way gave us many great novels, Tess, Jude, Far from... . Mayor of.. , under the greenwood.. and a few more. Coal to NewCastle? No!. like western powers using Indian Rockets! Silas Marner...another gem from her pen, is a rebuttal of cynics. We can do without 'pakkavaadhyams' especially 'otthu' ( what is the exact word for that in your learned ;music 'circle? especially 'naiyaandi maeLam' ?

[Nick H]

Tell us, RSR, about Protestant England...

Althuogh I don't really wish to discuss any brand of christianity, because, personally, I have no time for it whatsoever. But I guess I unavoidably know a little about protestant England. A smidgin about Catholic England too! I have no need of Victorian literature on that one.

[shankarank]

As regards history of colonialism:

The exact quote by Jomo Kenyatta on the arrival of Christianity in Kenya:

When the missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the missionaries had the Bible. They taught us how to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible.

Jomo Kenyatta himself seems to have only quoted some unknown Hawaiian:
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=KSw ... nd&f=false

See the bottom of Page 119.

If Jomo Kenyatta narrated the same experience of his ancestors, then he only borrowed words!

[shankarank]

it all depends on the person who reads...& his perception. .. To a protestant...catholic view. ; to an anti-hindhuthva , a vedic 'kudumi..! ....that apart, Nick should read George Eliot's Adam Bede.

And of course none of that can rival the one and only [Ahem!] objective view of the world - held by you all know who!

[Ranganayaki]

Joyless procreation! Ah, yes, that would be the missionary position.

Wicked, wicked, wickedly brilliant.

I agree!!

[shankarank]

Joyless procreation! Ah, yes, that would be the missionary position.

Wicked, wicked, wickedly brilliant.

I agree!!

NickH is envious of our languages and trying hard to get [Ahem!] SRngAra rasa into English - where none exists

[RSR]

''joyless procreation'..... I think , it is already a reality. Test tube babies. Today's news about Successful cloning of 'monkeys' by Chinese scientists.. Within a few decades..it may be 'successful cloning of humans' with desired characteristics. ( what those 'characteristics' are open to discussion perhaps). .. Genetic Engineering, Eugenics ....
just hints... Julian Huxley. Not a bad idea at all. depending on who implements it. High time to realize that the 'varNa' system which held the thinkers and seers at the higher-most pedestal,,,may have been right after all.Huxley ( Julian) was bemoaning in his 'Essays of a Biologist (1923) book, that the more enlightened, refined and talented are turning away from the task of adding to the human population. and so their proportion is continuously declining. Decline of rate of population growth, in the Western Europe may not be entirely due to 'family planning' but greater interest in other 'creative' activities! In a joyless world of toil, hunger and disease and pain, only, people turn to 'entertainment'....With higher standards of living, growth rate of populations declines. India should be scared like hell that its present population has very highr percentage of youngsters ,all votaries of unrestrained 'enjoyment'. Instead of 'joyless procreation',
Thousands of years back, 'vamsa vruddhi' was perhaps a social duty. ( as happened in Stalinist Russia,,after the second world war). Today, Art to serve National interest should give more importance to renunciation. No?
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"Huxley came from the distinguished Huxley family. His brother was the writer Aldous Huxley, and his half-brother a fellow biologist and Nobel laureate, Andrew Huxley; his father was writer and editor Leonard Huxley; and his paternal grandfather was Thomas Henry Huxley, a friend and supporter of Charles Darwin and proponent of evolution. His maternal grandfather was the academic Tom Arnold, his great-uncle was poet Matthew Arnold and his great-grandfather was Thomas Arnold of Rugby School. ..... In 1931 Huxley visited the USSR at the invitation of Intourist, where initially he admired the results of social and economic planning on a large scale. Later, back in the United Kingdom, he became a founding member of the think tank Political and Economic Planning... His idea of restraining population growth with birth control was anathema to both the Catholic Church and the Comintern/Cominform
......Many people assert that this abandonment of the god hypothesis means the abandonment of all religion and all moral sanctions. This is simply not true. But it does mean, once our relief at jettisoning an outdated piece of ideological furniture is over, that we must construct something to take its place.'

[Nick H]

Many people assert that this abandonment of the god hypothesis means the abandonment of all religion and all moral sanctions. This is simply not true. But it does mean, once our relief at jettisoning an outdated piece of ideological furniture is over, that we must construct something to take its place.

Never mind Huxley. I can tell you that abandoment of a god hypothesis can well mean abandoning religion, but does not necessarily imply abandoning anything else. Life, physical, metaphysical , and even if you like, spiritual, goes on. There is no requirement for one who does not have a god to even be a materialist.

Does this have anything to do with anything? Who knows. Whatever is happening to this site these days is catching! So let me throw my irrelevant ramblings into the heap. They are just as good as anybody else's. Whether anybody else thinks so or not.

Now I shall ignore this this thread.

In fact, these days, I am looking, not so much at the thread title, but at the name of the last poster. It saves a lot of irritation.

[shankarank]

In fact, these days, I am looking, not so much at the thread title, but at the name of the last poster. It saves a lot of irritation.

That kind of explains immediate posts from specific posters after I post - quite a good number of instances, sometimes to even move the thread to a new page etc.!

[shankarank]

Never mind Huxley. I can tell you that abandoment of a god hypothesis can well mean abandoning religion, but does not necessarily imply abandoning anything else. Life, physical, metaphysical , and even if you like, spiritual, goes on. There is no requirement for one who does not have a god to even be a materialist.

This culture has found ways to draw any materialist into believing something if not god. Planets or the Pulse - the human body pulse - Pulse astrology - nADi jOtiDam!! Whether you call them materialists or some superstitious bunch , according to a key rationalist spokesperson, near and around Vaitheeswaran koil , where the deity is a doctor that cures, once it used to be that Pulse astrologers were available around the temple. Now though the temple sits amidst Pulse astrologers - a sea of them!!

If they all believed in some "God" at least they will not treat the Pulse astrologers as a messenger of God!

You can make your universal judgement - but somewhere some place it will be violated in India.

[RSR]

@163->

In fact, these days, I am looking, not so much at the thread title, but at the name of the last poster. It saves a lot of irritation.

Now....Mr.Nick. Take it easy. ...I was merely writing about some social problems. germane to this thread. from both the theist and atheist angles. Wondering..what made you bristle. . If you avoid a thread just because the latest post happens to be from so-and-so, you may miss some great posts prior to them in the stack! Luckily, you can avoid reading mine. as it is a big banner in capital letters that too..

[shankarank]

Contrast this with the lectures by Com.Jeevanandam on Ramayanam and of ma.po.ci. on Silappathikaram. Judge Ismail 's inspiring discourses on Ramayanam. Kalaigyar Karunanidhi himself will be known for his appreciative work on Saint Ramanuja.

The person who is inspired by your Comrade Jeevanadam and ReTTamalai Srinivasan is Seeman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCpC4M0CUOA

If you replace tamizh with Sanskrit/Prakrit in his speech, you pretty much got the plight of North India. They have lost their language and they are clinging onto Hindi - which is recent!

But it is interesting that Marxism now somehow finds its way into nativist discourses.

He talks about languages, cultures, birds, trees and ecology:
https://youtu.be/OCpC4M0CUOA?t=3267

Did Marxism ever think about that? Totally feeling convoluted reading this : https://monthlyreview.org/2016/06/01/ma ... -the-left/

Our rishis created new Sandhi expressions from birds - from their music!! We are now talking in terms of religion, belief, hurt feelings - prisoners of our own circumstances and surroundings - and we allowed them to call our practices rituals.

And we cannot talk like Seeman about the roots!

See here : http://www.endangeredspeciesinternation ... irds4.html - it reasons out importance of birds, but then says what?

More benignly, birds appear in ancient art and mythology worldwide.

benign? That is a violence of language on natives! This is the anthropological method. It is rejection of basic truth about humans: that humans can reason , but also have emotions!

[shankarank]

https://youtu.be/I6UjKslkAH8?t=472

Farming and Child labor - the contribution of the leftist liberals! A typical Hindu article talks about this in these terms.

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/columns ... 560563.ece

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/editori ... 077117.ece

And we have filled our academia with full of such people. Vicious cycle of destruction!

When I pick Okra ( venDakkai) in grocery store, I no longer do the tip test - as I grew them in galore in my garden and will know by touch what is good!