Maharajapuram Santhanam

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#126 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by Purist » 11 Mar 2018, 18:20

rajeshnat wrote:
08 Mar 2018, 13:40
At the age of 50 in 1978 santhanam in voice weight is still work in progress, hear the keeravani of santhanam academy as posted above by maheshs . Surprising at the age of 50 his voice has not shaped to its best but if you hear his 1983 tour santhanam voice has gone two notches up , hear his tour of US with V Thyagarajan and srimushnam all of a sudden at the age of 55 Santhanam has got a sudden intense gathram- male voice at its best with timbre , voice throw and melody all meeting
What can one say God is creating lot of mystery with santhanam also paying attention to his voice around the age of 60- santhanam is a case study of how late one can peak up.Santhanam best voice is reserved at the age of 60.
The recording posted by Mahesh has drawn quite imaginative conclusions of voice quality by rajeshnat.
In fact the voice differntial here is more to do with the recording speed (rpm 's)[/b]. This recording is at higher rpm(speedier) than normal, that makes the voice more shrill/sharp . In fact I have attended many concerts
of Santhanam during 1975--80 and his voice had very much same gathram as in 80's and 90's. Can hardly
see any mysterical variation as rajeshnat suggests. The noitceable change was inclusion of more
lighter numbers from classically weighty numbers and more frequent attempts of voice modulation. To know what Santhanam's voice was around 1975, one canlisten to Sree Chakraraja and Sarangan records released around that time.
It would be wrong to draw premise based on an incorrect speed of recording.
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#127 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by rajeshnat » 11 Mar 2018, 21:24

Purist,
Possibly the 1978 recording with keeravani main may have had recording speed rpm aberration. I just heard significant part of 1971 jamshedpur . I am assuming the recording of 1971 there may not have rpm aberration . If you hear that 1971 santhanam the voice has power but the emote is not that high when compared to what he had from say 1983 onwards . His approach is more brigas then in 1971 for eg his sarangan marugane does not have that emote kuzhaivu and sound bit more nasal and less sharp than what he delivered after 1983 onwards which had immense emote . I think part of the trick has to do with him having a stronger vocal support so more voice rest in course of concert and then when santhanam sang he had a super emote and power sangathi which is more pronounced from 1983 onwards.
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#128 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by CRama » 11 Mar 2018, 22:22

Reg, the Keeravani RTP concert, I also had a doubt if the speed has been increased. Now that is confirmed by purist.
I am yet to hear the 1971 concert.

But I hold the view that Santhanam used to sing in 60s and early 70s exactly the way his father Maharajapuram Viswanatha Iyer used to sing. May be because he was providing vocal accompaniment to his father so far and also had the captive rasikas of MVI whom he wanted to retain. His voice at that time was as Rajesh has mentioned- nasal, a tad faster and exhuberance. In fact I liked that style too. I have got one concert like that where the accompanists are MSG and Karakudi Mani. I think I have spotted that concert correctly. I don’t know whether this concert is there in the you tube. I am giving link for two songs from that concert. Kindly listen to that and give your opinion.
From 80s/late 70s, his style has changed as Rajesh has observed.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/g5hiq0- Sogasuga.
https://www.sendspace.com/file/fw9htj- Narasimhamamava.
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#129 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by CRama » 11 Mar 2018, 22:29

Rajesh, you heard significant portion of the 1971 concert. Do you think the Mridanga vidwan is Palghat Mani Iyer.
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#130 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by MaheshS » 12 Mar 2018, 00:01

CRama wrote:
11 Mar 2018, 22:29
Rajesh, you heard significant portion of the 1971 concert. Do you think the Mridanga vidwan is Palghat Mani Iyer.
Defo not PMI. Vellore Ramabhadran?
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#131 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by rajeshnat » 12 Mar 2018, 08:36

CRama wrote:
11 Mar 2018, 22:29
Rajesh, you heard significant portion of the 1971 concert. Do you think the Mridanga vidwan is Palghat Mani Iyer.
As MaheshS stated definitely he is not Palakkad Mani Iyer. Between Vellore Ramabadran and Karaikkudi Mani that is suggested my hunch is Karaikkudi Mani
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#132 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by vinodnn » 17 Mar 2018, 19:48

Purist wrote:
11 Mar 2018, 18:20
The recording posted by Mahesh has drawn quite imaginative conclusions of voice quality by rajeshnat.
In fact the voice differntial here is more to do with the recording speed (rpm 's)[/b]. This recording is at higher rpm(speedier) than normal, that makes the voice more shrill/sharp . In fact I have attended many concerts
of Santhanam during 1975--80 and his voice had very much same gathram as in 80's and 90's. Can hardly
see any mysterical variation as rajeshnat suggests. The noitceable change was inclusion of more
lighter numbers from classically weighty numbers and more frequent attempts of voice modulation. To know what Santhanam's voice was around 1975, one canlisten to Sree Chakraraja and Sarangan records released around that time.
It would be wrong to draw premise based on an incorrect speed of recording.
I won't certainly ignore the comments from a rasika like purist, who got opportunity to listen to the live concerts of santhanam in the 1970-80 period.

But as rajesh said, I listened to one of his late 70 concerts, which is different from the one mentioned by rajesh. I observed the same voice level as rajesh mentioned. His voice level got changed from 1980. There are a number of his concerts during his US tour in 1981 with Thyagarajan and srimushnam raja rao where this transformation becomes evident. Here one can feel a comparatively less nasal tone than his pre-80s. The year 1982 saw a real transformation in his voice. Listen to his famous Krishna Gana Sabha concert with Lalgudi Jayaraman and Vellore Ramabhadran. That voice level stayed almost till 1989.
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#133 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by vinodnn » 17 Mar 2018, 19:50

rajeshnat wrote:
12 Mar 2018, 08:36
CRama wrote:
11 Mar 2018, 22:29
Rajesh, you heard significant portion of the 1971 concert. Do you think the Mridanga vidwan is Palghat Mani Iyer.
As MaheshS stated definitely he is not Palakkad Mani Iyer. Between Vellore Ramabadran and Karaikkudi Mani that is suggested my hunch is Karaikkudi Mani
Had Mani Iyer ever played for santhanam?
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#134 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by vinodnn » 21 Apr 2018, 22:14

NY Times article on a concert by the master trio: Santhanam-Lalgudi-Ramabhadran in 1985
https://mobile.nytimes.com/1985/10/01/a ... music.html
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#135 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by arasi » 22 Apr 2018, 00:48

What a nugget from the past! Thanks :)
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#136 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by rajeshnat » 22 Apr 2018, 06:33

vinodnn wrote:
21 Apr 2018, 22:14
NY Times article on a concert by the master trio: Santhanam-Lalgudi-Ramabhadran in 1985
https://mobile.nytimes.com/1985/10/01/a ... music.html
Excellent Vindodnn, I like for a change an extremely thought provoking introduction:
FromNYTimes wrote: featured quartets led by the violinist Lalgudi Jayaraman and by the singer Maharajapuram Santhanam, both of whom trace their styles to disciples of the South Indian composer Thyagaraja (1767-1847).
This must have been the most shruthi sowkhyam quotient with vellore Ramabadran (who never has banged ) and HP Ramachar

I will make an assumption that the son of maharajapuram santhanam must have been ramachandran , will enquire and pass this historic 4 proceeding ,i repeat 4 Hour concert proceedings with just not 4 quartet artists but 6 sextet artists(santhanam, LGJ,Ramachandran (assuming), Krishnan, nAdabhadran and HP Ramachar)

MKR Sir,
I have a strong feeling that MKR Sir may have attended this concert. There is a a possibility that atleast Lalgudi went to this concert from his home.

VKV or CACM Sir,
Are you atleast reading the forum , my gut feel is you must have been the karanakartha for this concert
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#137 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by vinodnn » 22 Apr 2018, 11:38

arasi wrote:
22 Apr 2018, 00:48
What a nugget from the past! Thanks :)
The pleasure is mine :)
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#138 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by vinodnn » 22 Apr 2018, 12:13

Are there any lecture demonstration concerts of santhanam available?
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#139 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by cacm » 22 Apr 2018, 21:22

rajeshnat wrote:
22 Apr 2018, 06:33
vinodnn wrote:
21 Apr 2018, 22:14
NY Times article on a concert by the master trio: Santhanam-Lalgudi-Ramabhadran in 1985
https://mobile.nytimes.com/1985/10/01/a ... music.html
Excellent Vindodnn, I like for a change an extremely thought provoking introduction:
FromNYTimes wrote: featured quartets led by the violinist Lalgudi Jayaraman and by the singer Maharajapuram Santhanam, both of whom trace their styles to disciples of the South Indian composer Thyagaraja (1767-1847).
This must have been the most shruthi sowkhyam quotient with vellore Ramabadran (who never has banged ) and HP Ramachar

I will make an assumption that the son of maharajapuram santhanam must have been ramachandran , will enquire and pass this historic 4 proceeding ,i repeat 4 Hour concert proceedings with just not 4 quartet artists but 6 sextet artists(santhanam, LGJ,Ramachandran (assuming), Krishnan, nAdabhadran and HP Ramachar)

MKR Sir,
I have a strong feeling that MKR Sir may have attended this concert. There is a a possibility that atleast Lalgudi went to this concert from his home.

VKV or CACM Sir,
Are you atleast reading the forum , my gut feel is you must have been the karanakartha for this concert
LGJ KNEW A LOT MORE THAN SANTHANAM (WHOSE LEARNT "KNOWLEDGE" WAS MOSTLY MVI'S TREASURES & HE CONCENTRATED ON THEM) & IN THIS CONCERT LGJ EXHIBITED THEM FREELY. ON THE WHOLE TOUR THOUGH LGJ PLAYED "SECOND FIDDLE" & FOLLOWED KICHULU'S HALF BAKED KNOWLEDGE & INSTRUCTIONS ETC....VKV
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#140 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by rajeshnat » 23 Apr 2018, 11:43

VKV Sir,
Maharajapuram santhanam- V Thyagarajan - Srimushnam Raja Rao toured US in 1981 . There are some recordings available . I know for sure that was the first US tour for raja rao. Not sure if santhanam and thyagarajan travelled before to USA.

This Manhattan Community College's Triplex Theate as mentioned in the aticle is archived as of 1985 . May be Lalgudi -santhanam- VR and team went exclusively once more to US in 1985. Do you recollect what they presented for 4 hours . Were you part of this concert and can you squeeze your memory with bit more details . So nice to see your post after your long hiatus.
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#141 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by vinodnn » 23 Apr 2018, 23:55

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#142 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by SrinathK » 13 Sep 2018, 18:07

Maharajapuram Santhanam singing Utsava Sampradaya krithis of Thyagaraja : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu4DsTSyA40

These kritis have a special personal flavour, and in the rasa filled voice of Maharajapuram Santhanam, it's just magnificent.
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#143 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by rajeshnat » 13 Sep 2018, 18:44

SrinathK wrote:
13 Sep 2018, 18:07
Maharajapuram Santhanam singing Utsava Sampradaya krithis of Thyagaraja : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu4DsTSyA40

These kritis have a special personal flavour, and in the rasa filled voice of Maharajapuram Santhanam, it's just magnificent.
This cassette was a rage to me in 90's especially that seetha kalyana vaibhogamE . Have heard atleast 1000 times in my life.Here is another recording of only seetha kalyana (His son maharajapuram ramachandran told me that it is shankarabharanam and not kurinji )with a lovely visual with sadguru and santhanam along with Lord Rama pattabhishekam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-vaLDDbLk4
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#144 Re: Maharajapuram Santhanam

Post by rajeshnat » 13 Sep 2018, 19:12

Srinathk and others,
I took a lot of time to think and post this link a year back.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=237&sid=cc3682e086 ... 00#p325546

Take a viuththam in tamil, slokham in sanskrit or ugabhooga in kannada in the above link.

Hear the canvas of emote and bhaava in any that you choose and hear all three. My plan is to get another better kanda guha shanmuga than the above link which I recorded surrepetiously in late 89 90 in a meltrack casette in rama rao [email protected] when i was about to finish school. I hope one day and digitize that and give it to you all.

That is even more better kanda guha shanmugha, For now in the above link hear his start especially in brindavana saranga/brindavani and slide to darbAri and finish in hamsAnandi gives me perennial goosebumps.
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