In post modernism it seems , there no such thing as intent or original interpretation. Everybody can make up their own myths!uday_shankar wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 09:35 This kind of interpretation wasn't my intention, just to clarify.

In post modernism it seems , there no such thing as intent or original interpretation. Everybody can make up their own myths!uday_shankar wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 09:35 This kind of interpretation wasn't my intention, just to clarify.
There is no specific God. There is only one God for all Abrahamic offshoots! So when U.S motto refers to One Nation Under God or In God we trust, that is the Judeo Christian conception of God.
??shankarank wrote: ↑24 Aug 2018, 08:58In post modernism it seems , there no such thing as intent or original interpretation. Everybody can make up their own myths!uday_shankar wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 09:35 This kind of interpretation wasn't my intention, just to clarify.. Like Devdutt Patnaik!
Dear Suresh, I don't think I can support your observation. Here obvious reference is to the worship of that god who is espoused in "vEdas", of which sAmavEda is a part.sureshvv wrote: ↑24 Aug 2018, 08:57Hope you noticed the fact that they carefully avoided mentioning a specific "God".HarishankarK wrote: ↑24 Aug 2018, 04:47Well saidhumdinger wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 19:06 Well, this is what late Zahiruddin Khan Dagar seems to have written (source here):
"Dhrupad is a gift of Samaveda. This music emerges from sacred mantras of that holy scripture....you can not sepearate hindustani classical music from the worship of god."
We should all feel the same way about carnatic music also. Then only we can protect its divinity and sanctity.
In the vedas, there is only mention of multiple demigods/deities such as Indra, Varuna, sUrya, Agni, Vishnu, Mitra, etc...
Uday, I think you know this one:In the vedas, there is only mention of multiple demigods/deities such as Indra, Varuna, sUrya, Agni, Vishnu, Mitra, etc...
This could be of interest to you. Dagar family can be traced back to 19th generation, and the generation before that was hindu, a person named Gopal Das Pandey: http://dhrupad.org/about/dagar-tradition/Sachi_R wrote: ↑24 Aug 2018, 16:56 Humdinger,
I agree with you.
Dhrupad is a musical tradition from the Samaveda.
The Dagars go back to 7 generations and were Hindu Brahmins from Delhi. This is stated by Ustad Baha’uddin Dagar in the Amazon Prime Harmony video also.
Uday Bhawalkar in a Parivadini lecdem has stated how he found the Dagar family to be very "Hindu" in their belief and tradition.
The Dagars stand for Dhrupad music, centred in Hindu traditions. Nothing Abrahamic in their sentiment.
The sacredness discussion is not about my God vs their god. Please.
I was only disagreeing with Sureh's observation that the statement was not specific.uday_shankar wrote: ↑24 Aug 2018, 16:40In the vedas, there is only mention of multiple demigods/deities such as Indra, Varuna, sUrya, Agni, Vishnu, Mitra, etc...
The notion of a dualist "God", eternally separated from man and situated in heaven, is hard to coax from the vedas. "Brahman", which is widely mentioned, cannot be interpreted as such. Nor too, "Isvara", which is kind of a saguna Brahman. So there is really no "God" in the vedas in this simple dualist sense, a God who is permanently separated from existence, residing in a place called Kailasa or VaikunTa, who is a object of worship. All that came later, the smritis, puranas, etc.. Of course, all along, most ordinary folks were worshiping their local deities, and had nothing to do with vEdas...
Even the demigods/deities were not worshiped in the contemporary sense of the word. They were just offered Ahuti's in the yagnya so they may bless us with better specific things, Surya for vision, Varuna for rains, etc... Very transactional, kind of applying for special favors from specialists in that kind of favor.
So it appears there really was no "worship" of any god, or God, in the Vedic practice.
So I really don't know what you're disagreeing with with Suresh![]()
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OK. Let me try to say it another way and may be you will agree.humdinger wrote: ↑24 Aug 2018, 15:45Dear Suresh, I don't think I can support your observation. Here obvious reference is to the worship of that god who is espoused in "vEdas", of which sAmavEda is a part.sureshvv wrote: ↑24 Aug 2018, 08:57Hope you noticed the fact that they carefully avoided mentioning a specific "God".HarishankarK wrote: ↑24 Aug 2018, 04:47
Well said
We should all feel the same way about carnatic music also. Then only we can protect its divinity and sanctity.
Yes, we "propitiated" them.uday_shankar wrote: ↑24 Aug 2018, 16:40
Even the demigods/deities were not worshiped in the contemporary sense of the word. They were just offered Ahuti's in the yagnya so they may bless us with better specific things, Surya for vision, Varuna for rains, etc... Very transactional, kind of applying for special favors from specialists in that kind of favor.
So it appears there really was no "worship" of any god, or God, in the Vedic practice.
vEdas were not taught to anybody in general, except those committed to learn it. So all claims in that context are private, between the Guru and Sishya. To publicly discuss them and allow them to be characterized this way or that way is somewhat unfair! Just because some people from the West published translations of them that too!
Thank you, I remember watching it when someone quoted this video earlier on this forum.Sachi_R wrote: ↑24 Aug 2018, 19:39 Humdinger,
Thank you.
It's my turn to share:
https://youtu.be/N96gZGTBDqY
Please cue to 1hr 9 min.
I can't say because I don't know what they are worshiping. The extent to which I see it doesn't convince me to agree and I haven't studied that in more detail to be able to comment authoritatively. While it is absolute commonsense that there can be not but one god, I see a problem with the statement people especially current day educated Hindus so easily make - " all religions are same/lead to same god". Everyone whom I know who made that statement never tried to learn what is the essence of his/her religion, forget about comparing it with other religions. Just because it is fashionable and politically correct to say that, people get away talking authoritatively on stuff they didn't even spend a day studying about.
And why does that refer to Christians ., Jews and Muslims if there is an English meaning of "God"? How many of those faiths originally have anything to do with the language of English? And why is that not a legitimate question, when all their narratives are rooted in physical history of their origins?shankarank wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018, 19:04 Oh Common you finally end up with dictionary?? Dictionary is your source??
If only we understood that, would we not have composed a song in praise of Bharat in English and in praise of our culture in English and teach that to kindergartners, instead of the imported curriculum of ba ba black sheep??
What about if we amend it to say, "all true religions lead to the same god".
Rather than write something of my own, I think I will soon offer you a link to a lecture that happened just today. It is a monk born into the Christian tradition, but left the faith and joined the RKMM. He hasn’t been a Christian for about 30 years and has spoken of his need for therapy over Christianity. But the impact of the first 20 years of your life is indelible and he is rediscovering Christianity and is in a healthy place with both religions . Today’s lecture was a bit about the Vedanta in Christianity and bridging the divide between the two religions. I will provide you with a link as soon as it becomes available.Ranganayaki wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018, 19:20 Replying to 61:( ...)his practice seems to coincide with Vedanta, but is rooted in the Christian faith.. Will come back to you on that.
If self realization is not something we thought of , but a totally natural thing, it goes without saying that there are realized souls everywhere.
First of all I don't have a concept of God to offer to them. Define what God you are talking about? I might as well be convinced by evolutionary biology.