need identification of song

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ajaysimha
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need identification of song

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i was re-listening to thaai thindra maNNae song from the movie ayarathil oruvan
https://youtu.be/ZH7fXmQWDS0

i have a few questions and i have asked the questions along with the lyrics,

sringaarinchina manchi bangaru ooiyalalOna mari bangaaru ooiyalalOnaa
//are these lines from any carnatic song ?

paaduveerO thevarae bharaNi kaLambagam ulaa aethaenum
eeruketta ethirmari paer achcham aenum ariveerO
//are bharaNi, kaLambagam, ulaa any old musical forms of tamizh-isai?
//what does this line actually mean ?

nel aadiya nilam engae
sol aadiya avai engae
vil aadiya kaLam engae
kal aadiya silai engae
thaai thindra maNNae
thaai thindra maNNae

chaedaerae chaamindrudae
nrupa choodaamaNi chandrudae
pagathaanintilO chaeraNae
pagathaanintilO chaeraNae
//I could identify these lines from "Chelinenetlu sahintune"

thanks and regards,
Ajay Simha

Rajani
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Re: need identification of song

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Some things I do know:

//are bharaNi, kaLambagam, ulaa any old musical forms of tamizh-isai?
These are types of literary works. I don't think they are musical forms. They come under the category called "Prabandham" (which just means Opus) or "siRRilakkiam" ( short literary works). It is kalambagam, not kaLambagam

"*eeRuketta* *ethirmarai* *peyar* *echcham*" is just a complicated term for a very simple grammatical form, of negative(ethirmarai) adjectival phrases, wherein the last letter (eeru) of the word is dropped(ketta = lost)
Please note my corrections in every word.

Eg : thOnRA thuNai instead of thOnRAdha thuNai ( means a friend who is invisible, like God)

//what does this line actually mean ?
I think she asks him if he can compose poetry or does he at least does he know his grammar well.

ajaysimha
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Re: need identification of song

Post by ajaysimha »

thanks rajani for the answers.
(sorry i had missed this post)

Rajani wrote: 04 Apr 2019, 20:11 Some things I do know:

//are bharaNi, kaLambagam, ulaa any old musical forms of tamizh-isai?
These are types of literary works. I don't think they are musical forms. They come under the category called "Prabandham" (which just means Opus) or "siRRilakkiam" ( short literary works). It is kalambagam, not kaLambagam
new info for me!!!
could you share any links on these Prabandham forms so i can read them .

i have also come across a Prabandham called uma thilaka prabandham in huseni ragam
(i just have the notation and un-aware of its execution)

ajaysimha wrote: 04 Apr 2019, 18:54
i have a few questions and i have asked the questions along with the lyrics,

sringaarinchina manchi bangaru ooiyalalOna mari bangaaru ooiyalalOnaa
//are these lines from any carnatic song ?
lakshman ji any idea?

Rajani
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Re: need identification of song

Post by Rajani »

In this list here, you'll find some kalambakams, baraNis , piLLaittamizh , ulA etc

https://www.projectmadurai.org/pmworks.html

ajaysimha
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Re: need identification of song

Post by ajaysimha »

thanks @Rajani that was helpful

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