Sangita Kalanidhi 2019

HarishankarK · Post by **HarishankarK** » 23 Jul 2019, 13:16

Sowmya is a really good choice and well deserving
She always sings in pure classical manner and never sings lighter songs to become popular
I think that is why she is not as popular like Aruna Sairam or Ra Ga etc
Sowmya has done a lot of projects and lecture demos as well
Her vidwath is absolutely unquestionable
Her style of singing in a number of quality sangathis with adding one or two new sangathis and singing every sangati 2 times, stickler to tradition is excellent
Congrats to her

HarishankarK · Post by **HarishankarK** » 23 Jul 2019, 13:21

It will be good if the academy can publish the achievements and merits of the awardees over the years
More for respecting the awardees rather than for proving they deserve it

HarishankarK · Post by **HarishankarK** » 23 Jul 2019, 13:23

Someone has said b4 that Sowmya shd not have got the award - that person is so wrong

Considering the choices made in recent past- Sowmya is really gr8 choice

And the list of criteria to get the award - that is too much
Not all vocalists or viloinists are tunesmiths, composers etc

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 23 Jul 2019, 15:21

Sivaramakrishnan wrote: ↑23 Jul 2019, 09:41 I hope those at Music Academy follow this thread to have an understanding of what a cross section of rasikas in general, feel about the SK awards -the perspectives - rather not regarding the selection this time.

Why do you think the music world and artists are not following the threads and discussions here? Its all available in public and this forum is known to many artists. Many of them have IDs and even post their points of view when they deem necessary.

RSR wrote: ↑23 Jul 2019, 13:07 I would suggest that immediately after a music academy season ends, say, sometime in march first week, the MA selection panel can give a public announcement, regarding the names under consideration for the awards and invite this forum experts to offer the pro and con views of the proposed names. Then, MA can get fresh suggestions, and well-reasoned and unbiased and softly-worded ,critical views of the experts in this forum, dedicated to CM ,about the artistes rather than the selection committee.

For what joy, if I may ask that. Why should MA sell itself to people it is not officially related to? They have a structure and a time-tested practice and they would see no reason to ask your opinion. Further, all organizations are governed by laws of the land. They are required to have do activities only as per their own rules and regulations. It is absurd for someone to expect an organization to do something like this.

For starters, why dont you as MFAC or TBGS or SPSS or IFAS to come with their list of nominees for Sangeetha Kala Nipuna or Vani Kala Sudhakar or Sangeetha kala Sarathy or Sangeetha kala Shikamani and pass your comments on them.

RSR wrote: ↑23 Jul 2019, 13:07 One more thought. How proper is it for the musical luminaries to have their own blogs and websites? As an old-timer, I do not think, greats of the golden era( 1936-1966) ,had such self-promoting social media activity. If an artiste is good , it is for others to extol in THEIR blogs and websites.

They may not have had their own blogs or websites. They definitely must have a good social network and networking skill to promote themselves. It is not wrong for someone to publicize his/her own activities and accomplishments. its their personal.

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 23 Jul 2019, 16:26

@104-> Is not even the finance ministry , inviting proposals? is not the govt circulating draft document of education policy for comments and suggestions? Are not there referendums even in established democracies? The method suggested is applicable to all famed CM establishments. and to all award-conferring institutions. The matter will not be decided by majority vote, of course but it gives an indication of opinion of well-informed rasikas and critics. No harm.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 23 Jul 2019, 17:07

Did the greats of the sixties really spurn Facebook, twitter, Instagram etc?

Shock horror! What must Zukerberg have thought! Or would have done, had he been born at the time.

I wonder who people think that the music academy committe and expert committee are? Do you people think that they live in secluded isolation, without any idea of what other people think? Or that the idea of even having an "Experts committee" is so that they can ask you all who you think the award should be given to?

It's not that I am saying that the MA is perfect, or has never been influenced by politics (including the old-timers, yes?) or the desire, perhaps misplaced, to be modern. Nor am I saying that we do not have a right to disagree, or hold that others are, in our view, more deserving. We all have a right to opinions.

But to suggest that the experts of the MA are not very expert, or isolated from the real world of music and rasikas, is absurd. And, I am afraid that to suggest that that rasikas.org would enlighten them is not very sound.

So, "not controversial," I thought. But I forgot: rasikas.org. After so many years I really should have known better.

See y'all in the same conversation this time next year

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 23 Jul 2019, 17:38

Thoughts on Sangeetha kalanidhi since 2015 award
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With atleast 3 vidwans getting metooed and losing possibly sangeetha kalanidhi , just few thoughts on what i heard and with one person who is 60 plus who is quite associated with academy in the last 2 decades

Who could be the next most deserving violin artists who will receive ?
Answer : Should be Lalgudi Siblings with them already getting indira sivasailam award they may get it soon. May be after them that could be RKSK . I am assuming VV Subramaniam is not any more in contention.

Who could be the next most deserving mridangam artists who will receive ?
Answer : We kept hearing Tiruvarur bhaktavatasalam name and also Haridwaramangalam palanivel . I am atleast assuming guruvayoor dorai and Karaikudi mani are not anymore in contention. we have discussed that before.

Who could be the artists who would get next whose domicile is not in tamilnadu?
Answer : May be some years academy will feel the heat that they have to go it to other states . I think once that happens Malladi brothers will get the next award. Bit later Pantula rama . Artists from Karnataka and Kerala are heading in the direction of Sangitakala acharya and TTK award.

WHo could be the next most deserving vocalist artists who will receive ?
Answer : I am assuming NSG was discussed but I am not sure if he has to wait for another year, we have to see . VIjaysiva from the year when sudha was awarded in academy and from the very next year onwards when Sanjay performed a bunch of vidwans lost their slot in academy(no axe problems yet for vidushis). I am hearing that Vijay is not able to work well with the organizers not sure.

Who else I thought Maharajapuram Ramachandran and Hyderabad brothers truly deserve the SK award .Hyderabad brothers have performed minimally in academy but ramachandran is still performing . Both of them are atleast 2 decades more in experience when compared to this year vidushi sowmya

Sowmya deserves the SK but bypassing Maha Ramachandran, Hyd Brothers is to me atleast bit condescending to them.
Sangeetha kalanidhi is a lifetime award as such she deserves, possibly bit later atleast after say Maha ramachandran and Hyderabad brothers (not accounting NSG and VijaySiva here)would have been a less condescending choice to experience and seniority .

PalakkaD raghu got it at 81 years so late but just made it and in 6 months he moved on . I am assuming somu and mdr just did not live for another 5 years if they had lived they would have got it , though in our forum we all thought it was unfair . Lalgudi jayaraman refused so it is not academy that did injustice in not awarding SK. I just feel if musicians donot live till 80 they cannot complain. ONly TRS mama not receiving is maha anyayam despite his thesis in 1995 he got SKA in 2002.

Hopefully I sincerely wish Maharajapuram Ramachandran and Hyderabad brothers get the sk soon for their life time of their brilliance in performance. I always respect performance and seniority and these two vidwans have enriched many of us with their spark .

Sachi_R · Post by **Sachi_R** » 23 Jul 2019, 17:43

Dear Rasikas,
Ad infinitum ad nauseum....

The Madras Music Academy has an independent body of experts who have chosen whom THEY want to award the title of Sangeetha Kalanidhi. Since when did they become a public "crowd sourcing of opinions" body on CM? And honestly, seeing all the discussions here, do we see any consensus on ANYTHING?
Remember that a professional hazard of being a group of ardent rasikas is that we have strong and variant opinions on everything, yes EVERYTHING, from Mysore Rasam to Madurai Saurashtra Mess to Megharanjini....

So let us simply applaud the winner Dr S Sowmya. This is a moment of celebration for her, her gurus, her students and her admirers. Congrats and best wishes to the lady!

ram1999 · Post by **ram1999** » 23 Jul 2019, 18:27

Let the awardee be congratulated and wished well with a large heart!!

All arguments up to #107 for and against the awardee are simply rubbish.

Award selection process / criteria and methodology adopted will always be subjective and element of bias in it. And the institution need not be subjected to justifying the decision.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 23 Jul 2019, 18:34

Sachi_R wrote: ↑23 Jul 2019, 17:43So let us simply applaud the winner Dr S Sowmya. This is a moment of celebration for her, her gurus, her students and her admirers. Congrats and best wishes to the lady!

I can most certainly go with that! Wholeheartedly.

I recall that, for a number of years, the MA was late in giving the award to TVG. This year, none of us clamouring for a deserving person in late 70s or 80s. For the younger, there is still plenty of time.

Of course, with only one such award each year, it is inevitable that some who deserved will never get. And let the difficulties and controversies be increased by making it available posthumously. Anyway, the awardee is expected to preside over the season/conference, for which being alive helps.

And that latter point. The award does include a job, if only for two weeks. Not all potential awardees might want that job.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 23 Jul 2019, 18:51

Nick H wrote: ↑23 Jul 2019, 18:34 And that latter point. The award does include a job, if only for two weeks. Not all potential awardees might want that job.

For the lecdems they have to moderate minimally , apart from that there is not much job. I think if say a musician is great musically and if they cannot moderate it is OK. They can always ask his her sishya to help or take the help of may be another ex sangeetha kalanidhi or even kala acharya. Spoken Communication need not be a mandatory condition and can be skipped if they are musically of very high merit.

musi · Post by **musi** » 24 Jul 2019, 07:07

Both Dr Sowmya and Smt Seetha Narayanan were students of S Ramanathan. Both of them were students of a Sangitha Kalacharya - Muktha and Chengalpettu Ranganathan respectively

Both of them have sung very erudite pedagogic pallavis - Sowmya in rare ragas like Narayana Gowlai and Ghanta. Sowmya was known for singing rare ragas and rare compositions, padams, javalis and compositions of not-so- famous composers.

Seetha Narayanan has sung complex rhythmic pallavis of chengalpettu Ranganathan - (8 kalai pallavis in Vachapati and Reethigowlai, many sankeerna nadai and 4 kalai pallavis ). Seetha Narayanan was known for her bhajans and a voice that is still so versatile even at 79.

So well deserved

I am sure Ramanathan, Chengalpettu Ranganathan and Muktha would be smiling and blessing these wonderful artists from heavens.

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 24 Jul 2019, 09:22

Nick H wrote: ↑23 Jul 2019, 17:07 I wonder who people think that the music academy committee and expert committee are? Do you people think that they live in secluded isolation, without any idea of what other people think?

My essay at post #80 simply shows how Music Academy is not some isolated institution and it reflects the entire Carnatic universe and a far away mini-verse @DFW (3700) is still stuck with books published by the likes of the 1972 awardee , but never appreciates (37) the likes of the one that "should have been" in his place instead!

People should read the underlying philosophy of the post and not the literal facts in it! I didn't realize reading essays is so tough!

And I congratulated the Academy and not the artiste - subtle point there eh?

thanjavooran · Post by **thanjavooran** » 24 Jul 2019, 16:18

Though I wanted Guruvayur and VVS this time, OK let them wait.
Let us wish the awardees now. No more comments about their merits.
Thanjavooran
24 07 2019

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 24 Jul 2019, 18:20

Thanjavooran,
A friend sent me Sowmya''s response to the award (her acceptance tweet). I was touched by it.
Rajesh, among other things had expressed his favoring younger SK-s over those who waited all their lives to get one, that when they finally did get it, weren't around long to contribute much to CM thereafter. I do like the trend of honoring someone who would contribute much more to music in their life time. I also like the two Sangeetha Acharya awards. This way, more senior artistes can be recognized each year.
It looks as if CM is heard and sought more by the younger generation these days. We do need young(er) blood to be there as a guiding force--for it to take root even more...

nadhasudha · Post by **nadhasudha** » 24 Jul 2019, 19:17

Congratulations to all the Awardees! I have always liked Vidushi Sowmya's music and am happy that she is being honored with the Sangeetha Kalanidhi title this year. Congratulations!

CRama · Post by **CRama** » 24 Jul 2019, 22:49

thanjavooran wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 16:18 Though I wanted Guruvayur and VVS this time, OK let them wait.
Let us wish the awardees now. No more comments about their merits.
Thanjavooran
24 07 2019

They have reportedly rejected the SK award. So they are out of the zone. Absence of the title will no way diminish their vidwat and music.

Saibhakthan · Post by **Saibhakthan** » 25 Jul 2019, 17:56

rajeshnat wrote: ↑23 Jul 2019, 17:38 Thoughts on Sangeetha kalanidhi since 2015 award
------------------------------------------------
With atleast 3 vidwans getting metooed and losing possibly sangeetha kalanidhi , just few thoughts on what i heard and with one person who is 60 plus who is quite associated with academy in the last 2 decades

Who could be the next most deserving violin artists who will receive ?
Answer : Should be Lalgudi Siblings with them already getting indira sivasailam award they may get it soon. May be after them that could be RKSK . I am assuming VV Subramaniam is not any more in contention.

Who could be the next most deserving mridangam artists who will receive ?
Answer : We kept hearing Tiruvarur bhaktavatasalam name and also Haridwaramangalam palanivel . I am atleast assuming guruvayoor dorai and Karaikudi mani are not anymore in contention. we have discussed that before.

Who could be the artists who would get next whose domicile is not in tamilnadu?
Answer : May be some years academy will feel the heat that they have to go it to other states . I think once that happens Malladi brothers will get the next award. Bit later Pantula rama . Artists from Karnataka and Kerala are heading in the direction of Sangitakala acharya and TTK award.

WHo could be the next most deserving vocalist artists who will receive ?
Answer : I am assuming NSG was discussed but I am not sure if he has to wait for another year, we have to see . VIjaysiva from the year when sudha was awarded in academy and from the very next year onwards when Sanjay performed a bunch of vidwans lost their slot in academy(no axe problems yet for vidushis). I am hearing that Vijay is not able to work well with the organizers not sure.

Who else I thought Maharajapuram Ramachandran and Hyderabad brothers truly deserve the SK award .Hyderabad brothers have performed minimally in academy but ramachandran is still performing . Both of them are atleast 2 decades more in experience when compared to this year vidushi sowmya

Sowmya deserves the SK but bypassing Maha Ramachandran, Hyd Brothers is to me atleast bit condescending to them.
Sangeetha kalanidhi is a lifetime award as such she deserves, possibly bit later atleast after say Maha ramachandran and Hyderabad brothers (not accounting NSG and VijaySiva here)would have been a less condescending choice to experience and seniority .

PalakkaD raghu got it at 81 years so late but just made it and in 6 months he moved on . I am assuming somu and mdr just did not live for another 5 years if they had lived they would have got it , though in our forum we all thought it was unfair . Lalgudi jayaraman refused so it is not academy that did injustice in not awarding SK. I just feel if musicians donot live till 80 they cannot complain. ONly TRS mama not receiving is maha anyayam despite his thesis in 1995 he got SKA in 2002.

Hopefully I sincerely wish Maharajapuram Ramachandran and Hyderabad brothers get the sk soon for their life time of their brilliance in performance. I always respect performance and seniority and these two vidwans have enriched many of us with their spark .

Both Maharajapuram Ramachandran and Hyderabad Brothers deserves SK in Upcoming years.
Like that Nagai Muralidharan, Mysore Nagaraj, M.A.Sundaresan should also be considered in the Violinist as well as Yella Venkateswara Rao, should also be consided in Mridangam.

shreyas · Post by **shreyas** » 25 Jul 2019, 19:57

Congratulations S Sowmya for bagging the award this year.

ratanabhinav · Post by **ratanabhinav** » 25 Jul 2019, 20:01

Sri Guruvayur Dorai
Sri VVS
Sri Yella Venkateswara Rao
Sri NSG
Sri Lalgudi GJK and Smt Viji
all deserved to get SK this year . Right royally , legitimately deserved SK.

ratanabhinav · Post by **ratanabhinav** » 25 Jul 2019, 20:07

ratanabhinav wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 20:01 Sri Guruvayur Dorai
Sri VVS
Sri Yella Venkateswara Rao
Sri NSG
Sri Lalgudi GJK and Smt Viji
all deserved to get SK this year . Right royally , legitimately deserved SK.

Ideally , it must have been
Sudha -2018
Sanjay-2019
Vijay Siva -2020
Ravikiran-2021
Sri G Dorai-2013
VVS -2015
NSG - 2022
Lalgudi GJK and Viji -2023
YV Rao - 2024
Sowmya /BJ - 2025
Sowmya/BJ -2026

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 26 Jul 2019, 03:04

Like expiry dates on products, do musicians come with 'good only AFTER this date' destiny? How many roulette games are needed to be played before we can gracefully accept the choice of a vidvan or vidushi for their merits every year--no matter what our personal preferences happen to be? These preferences can be taste-oriented, anyhow. What's worse, our personal prejudices get stoked too?

Somehow, around this time of the year, rasikas can call themselves arasikA-s it seems--:( at least in the way we react to the SK announcement. And all this when we happen to have such fine rasikAs among us who navigate us through the ocean of CM and make our lives richer!

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 26 Jul 2019, 08:37

Ratan,

Do you know the mood , sense and stature ( I am battling for words actually!) of the some of the musicians you listed? Given the prominence of this award ( as one senior musician put it, perutAn ennamO persAyiDuttE?) do you think, they would like to be awarded at this time and age? They'ed rather join the hall of fame of non-awardees - whom there are plenty to go with.

With all the changes and tastes and trends that have happened , I can only cringe looking at some of the names you suggest.

I was surprised that Sri TVG was selected , in the year that he was selected and that he accepted it when that was offered! He could be a humble man but still?

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 26 Jul 2019, 10:45

Be that may be Sowmya has the qualities of SK but music academy has bypassed many deserving Senior Vidwans and prematurely awarded to Madam sowmya.

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 26 Jul 2019, 11:47

ratanabhinav wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 20:07
ratanabhinav wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 20:01 Sri Guruvayur Dorai
Sri VVS
Sri Yella Venkateswara Rao
Sri NSG
Sri Lalgudi GJK and Smt Viji
all deserved to get SK this year . Right royally , legitimately deserved SK.
Ideally , it must have been
Sudha -2018
Sanjay-2019
Vijay Siva -2020
Ravikiran-2021
Sri G Dorai-2013
VVS -2015
NSG - 2022
Lalgudi GJK and Viji -2023
YV Rao - 2024
Sowmya /BJ - 2025
Sowmya/BJ -2026

would have been an interesting listing, had you mentioned who must have got in 2013, 2015 & 2017 instead of whom Academy had chosen.

Another Senior vidwan who is not discussed here is Sri Malladi Suribabu. He deserves an SK or an SKA atleast. Talks about decorating his sons are already doing the rounds, while the father is still waiting.

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 26 Jul 2019, 11:48

CRama wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 22:49
thanjavooran wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 16:18 Though I wanted Guruvayur and VVS this time, OK let them wait.
Let us wish the awardees now. No more comments about their merits.
Thanjavooran
24 07 2019
They have reportedly rejected the SK award. So they are out of the zone. Absence of the title will no way diminish their vidwat and music.

Could be true. who knows.
Even Radha-Jayalakshmi had rejected an offer for Sangeetha Kalanidhis in 2010, i am to believe.

devan · Post by **devan** » 26 Jul 2019, 21:40

Sowmya is more lec dem artist than a performing artist. Once in a while you have to give it to that category also.BUT not at this age.

ratanabhinav · Post by **ratanabhinav** » 26 Jul 2019, 22:48

arasi wrote: ↑26 Jul 2019, 03:04 Like expiry dates on products, do musicians come with 'good only AFTER this date' destiny?

Good for SK after this date , rather .
One must know that artistes mostly improve over time .
SK is the highest award in Carnatic music.
It needs to be given after considerable time and considerable achievement . It can't be given to each and every popular pudavai/panchakacham wearing Tom , Dick and Harry ( or Saraswati , Vishnu and Shiva ! ) .

ratanabhinav · Post by **ratanabhinav** » 26 Jul 2019, 22:52

rbharath wrote: ↑26 Jul 2019, 11:47
ratanabhinav wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 20:07
ratanabhinav wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 20:01 Sri Guruvayur Dorai
Sri VVS
Sri Yella Venkateswara Rao
Sri NSG
Sri Lalgudi GJK and Smt Viji
all deserved to get SK this year . Right royally , legitimately deserved SK.
Ideally , it must have been
Sudha -2018
Sanjay-2019
Vijay Siva -2020
Ravikiran-2021
Sri G Dorai-2013
VVS -2015
NSG - 2022
Lalgudi GJK and Viji -2023
YV Rao - 2024
Sowmya /BJ - 2025
Sowmya/BJ -2026
would have been an interesting listing, had you mentioned who must have got in 2013, 2015 & 2017 instead of whom Academy had chosen.

Another Senior vidwan who is not discussed here is Sri Malladi Suribabu. He deserves an SK or an SKA atleast. Talks about decorating his sons are already doing the rounds, while the father is still waiting.

Yes. Sri Malladi Suribabu deserves SKA . I'm hoping that the academy will award him soon.

ratanabhinav · Post by **ratanabhinav** » 26 Jul 2019, 22:53

devan wrote: ↑26 Jul 2019, 21:40 Sowmya is more lec dem artist than a performing artist. Once in a while you have to give it to that category also.BUT not at this age.

Finally , some sense !

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 27 Jul 2019, 08:29

What sense? When any artiste gives great performances up until certain age and then reduce due to decline of the physical voice characteristics , all their knowledge has just gone away? And that was not too long ago. If you really have to give it to people who are giving dazzling performances, mostly it will have to be youngsters who entered the field in the last 8 -15 years or so.

And especially the organizers are, I guess, mindful with most artistes having voice issues to recognize them before it is too late.

And it is really too late for many senior vocalists actually! Nobody would remember them performing well if you take a poll of today's middle aged audiences.

Those criticizing should first layout their appreciation of music in this forum! If you are from earlier than 90(s) listener then that time has passed! It is better you all pull back and let the music proceed!

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 27 Jul 2019, 13:22

devan wrote: ↑26 Jul 2019, 21:40 Sowmya is more lec dem artist than a performing artist. Once in a while you have to give it to that category also.BUT not at this age.

yeah. she doesnt perform to the gallery and the masses. prefers to keep the intellect and integrity of her music, both in the qualitative and quantitative sense. hence, goes over head for some folks.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 27 Jul 2019, 15:23

ratanabhinav wrote: ↑26 Jul 2019, 22:48 SK is the highest award in Carnatic music.

Only because people think it is. It is, in reality, just an award, no higher or lower than that of any of the "senior" sabhas.

devan · Post by **devan** » 28 Jul 2019, 05:23

Winning Wimbledon is not a big thing. It is also like any other tournament.

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 28 Jul 2019, 07:18

hmm ...

One is a mark of recognition by a Sabha, and
the other is an achievement by an individual winning a competition.

samskriti · Post by **samskriti** » 28 Jul 2019, 07:20

With the rapid growth of the Neyveli Shishyakulam, I feel that even NSG might be a suitable designate for SKA in the coming years.

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 28 Jul 2019, 11:16

Now that 'sports' have been brought in (@ 134), why should not the Music Academy give SK and other awards each year , to two or three persons in each category, each year? ( something like a 'tie', as it happened in the recent Cricket World Cup match final. It would have been very fair, if the Trophy had been awarded jointly to both the England and Newzealand teams!...Even the captain of English team felt that the award was not fair!). Would mean that MA gives recognition to all the awarded persons. By the way, T.V.SubbaRao, Papanasam Sivan and such were not performing artistes., when they were awarded.
Nice article on TVSubba Rao by V.Sriram here.
https://sriramv.wordpress.com/2008/02/2 ... subba-rao/
It seems the first SK award was shared.

Papanasam Ramayya Sivan (26 September 1890 – 1 October 1973 was a composer of Carnatic music and a singer. He was awarded the Madras Music Academy's Sangeetha Kalanidhi in 1970.
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why not posthumous awards, too?

ratanabhinav · Post by **ratanabhinav** » 28 Jul 2019, 21:24

Nick H wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 15:23
ratanabhinav wrote: ↑26 Jul 2019, 22:48 SK is the highest award in Carnatic music.
Only because people think it is. It is, in reality, just an award, no higher or lower than that of any of the "senior" sabhas.

Really ??

This remark borders on nihilism.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 28 Jul 2019, 22:24

It borders on the philosophical (if that is the right word) observation that many institutions (etc) have power and status only because people give it to them. Kinda... sorta... like paper money: worthless if people don't have faith in it.

It might be interesting to see how an award like this compares with a major sports tournament. At first sight, it doesn't: it is not an active competition between contestants. And champions can't loose to unknown new geniuses in early rounds. Oh wait... maybe they can! And do, every year!

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 29 Jul 2019, 04:36

RSR wrote: ↑28 Jul 2019, 11:16 why should not the Music Academy give SK and other awards each year , to two or three persons in each category, each year?

When SSI was around, every year , even in the last years , he would make an appearance and steal the lime light away from the awardee

.

So much so that the rookie MA Secretary particularly noted that the year 2003 was the first music season ( not just the MA sadas - please note) without SSI!

Now with single person getting it, they at least got their day. You are throwing a wrench into that

Musicologists are being recognized now - and if you look at it one way, there are multiple awardees! May be the musicologist should be part of all the sadas happenings and people can see how relevant they are!

devan · Post by **devan** » 29 Jul 2019, 17:45

The academy gives prizes to the artists on the sadas day for best concert,best Pallavi,best singer. If it' is not competition,then why should they award so many prizes.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 29 Jul 2019, 18:39

he academy gives prizes to the artists on the sadas day for best ... ... ...

Not directly anything to do with the SK.

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 30 Jul 2019, 17:43

Even Nobel Prize for Science is shared.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 31 Jul 2019, 06:05

Sureshvv,
Winston Churchill called the Mahatma a half-naked fakir when Gandhiji was at the Round Table Conference:)
The context is different here, agreed

I am glad you brought up the 'the garden variety puDavai artiste' expression

It irked me no end, and I am sure many women , and hopefully men too felt offended by it. I am glad you voiced your displeasure. It is 'throwing cow dung at posters sport', this post-SK announcement time. Even those who don't care about the MA come across as if they have great respect for it, but ' how could so and so be chosen, leaving the choiciest ones behind!' Every single year they are ready to uphold the honor of the Academy only to say how unworthy their choice has been!

Rasikas.org needs a drusTi poTTu (an evil eye warding off dot) every now and then. So, the annual ragging goes on, as if it's a kind of sport. We seniors get tired of it, middle-aged ones too I guess, but for a few exceptions in every age group. We grin and bear it because all the rich contributions of the young and the old rasikAs here make this a good place to be around.
I also wonder what the enthusiastic young members, lovers of CM and our hope for the future think about this annual dishonoring of worthy musicians. I presume, they are fed up too. Then again, there could be exceptions in every age group too:(

In the end, all that can be said is: we rasikas are all entitled to have our own tastes in CM, Vive la difference! This way, we do not leave out appreciating all good musicians out there. And how at times, all of us happen to enjoy listening to the same musicians too! So, good music wins--always...

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 31 Jul 2019, 10:14

@143-> I would have used 'garden-variety dhothy-clad' artiste. More decent phrase which suits a learned forum.

ratanabhinav · Post by **ratanabhinav** » 31 Jul 2019, 17:19

arasi wrote: ↑31 Jul 2019, 06:05
I am glad you brought up the 'the garden variety puDavai artiste' expression It irked me no end, and I am sure many women ,

This expression (and similar ones ) have been used many a times by members in this forum .

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 31 Jul 2019, 17:26

garden-variety dhothy-clad

Mr Purdah has spoken.

And, so has arasi. Very much to the point. No point in asking what those young artists think of us and our forum: they don't care for this annual diatribe. Don't care for it or about it.

Mind you, I guess it is a microcosm. ie... not just us. I'm sure the same things are muttered off-line in the December canteens, so... just one of those things. It's going to happen. We can join in; we can raise a diatribe against the diatribe; or we can just ignore the thread. It's not going to get better. I think we can confidently expect what the finance people like to call year on year growth in diatribe.

Diatribe. Enjoy!

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 31 Jul 2019, 18:41

sureshvv wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 16:18
ratanabhinav wrote: ↑22 Jul 2019, 09:25 S Sowmya is just another garden variety pudavai artist .
And you are the distinguished kOmaNam rasika?

You have subtly suggested that the rasika of the citadel of music , you could call them emperor rasikas, have no clothes.

Who knows , he listens in his home and does not attend that many live performances.

RSR · Post by **RSR** » 31 Jul 2019, 18:42

@149->

Mr Purdah has spoken.

............offensive to use nicknames

shankarank · Post by **shankarank** » 31 Jul 2019, 18:43

RSR wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 17:43 Even Nobel Prize for Science is shared.

That is only in case they worked on a single field of research, and a single topic or problem. No such equivalent in music.