Lyrics - Paras Javali

unaradha · Post by **unaradha** » 27 Feb 2007, 15:08

cAN ANYONE PLEASE GIVE ME THE LYRICS and meaning OF THE PARAS jAVALI BY PATANAM sUBRAMANYA IYER'S JAVALI Chelinenetlu Sadinchine.
THANKS
ANURADHA

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 27 Feb 2007, 18:06

celi nEnETlu (jAvaLi). rAgA: paraju. Adi tALA. Composer: Pattabhiramiah.

P: celi nEnETlu sahintunE alavAnenta varNintunE
C1: manOhara gAruDE ghana vinOdi A dhIruDE paga dAniNTilO cEranE
2: javvana rADAyanE manci puvvuluyinkElanE sogasevvaru jUcedarE
3: cEDErO cAmEndrudE krpa cUDAmaNi candruDE celi nEDayya rADAyene

meena · Post by **meena** » 28 Feb 2007, 00:28

Lji

Is this pattabhiramihab's ? does not carry his mudra: talavam or ganapuresa.

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 28 Feb 2007, 01:10

I am not sure. It could be Chinniah's too.

unaradha · Post by **unaradha** » 28 Feb 2007, 09:24

thank you sir for the lyrics can u help me with the meaning also

vijayagopal · Post by **vijayagopal** » 03 Apr 2007, 16:44

Lakshman wrote:celi nEnETlu (jAvaLi). rAgA: paraju. Adi tALA. Composer: Pattabhiramiah.

P: celi nEnETlu sahintunE alavAnenta varNintunE
C1: manOhara gAruDE ghana vinOdi A dhIruDE paga dAniNTilO cEranE
2: javvana rADAyanE manci puvvuluyinkElanE sogasevvaru jUcedarE
3: cEDErO cAmEndrudE krpa cUDAmaNi candruDE celi nEDayya rADAyene

Thre is a version where it is sung nEnetlu sairintune also.
Both of them mean "How could I bear oh friend!"

How much can I describe him?

C1: it is manOharAkArude, meaning his Akaram is lovable.
That brave man is a great fun lover.
He is in the house of an enemy girl

2: Davvani rAdAyenE, means he is not coming beacuse my home is far off.
Many traditionalist sing the next part as inkyAlane, which is a dialectic way of pronouncing. Meaning does not change. What use for the good flowers?
Who will see all this beauty or make up?

3: cEderO is the addressing to the friend.
I am not clear about the next word.
In kripa he is like the Choodamani chandra!
Oh friend he is not coming at least today!
It should be nEdaina rAdayenE

Hope I have given the right meaning.

shishya · Post by **shishya** » 03 Apr 2007, 21:53

javvAna rADAyenE means he does come quickly. javvamu means quick

vijayagopal · Post by **vijayagopal** » 04 Apr 2007, 14:18

Javam is speed in sanskrit. There is no equalent like javvam in Telugu. In Telugu also it has to be javam.
The song goes much in Telugu as exemplified by the word chEde etc.
It should at least be javvani which can be understood.
javvana will perhaps be wrong.
Ghummani is different from Ghummana.
If some thing happens Ghummana, it is the karta who is cause of the viseshanam.
Ghummana will be the effect on th onlooker. The work happened and caused the onlooker to Ghummana.
am I able to make the point?
All said and done, I am only an enthusiast and not an expert.

shishya · Post by **shishya** » 04 Apr 2007, 18:32

Vijayagopal,

There is ample evidence that the jAvaLi is in Telugu. Your point about the word being javamu (and not javvamu) is taken- to mean speed. However, javamuga and javAna have been used in lyrics. I was trying to say that javAna is more apt than davvAni rADAyenE (to mean he does not come quickly because his home is far away)
javAna rADAyenE would mean he does not come quickly (may not be because his home is far but because he has recently started visiting this other rival lady). The sentence gives a sense of a lack of enthusiasm on the part of the nAyaka to approach the nAyika in the wake of his new found company.

parimalphadke · Post by **parimalphadke** » 04 May 2008, 14:43

Is it possible that we could get literal word-meaning of this javali. I am able to understand the vakyartha but not the shabdartha.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 04 May 2008, 19:32

Parimal,

At the outset, I have to state that I can not take any credit for this - this is not my effort. I have merely used Vijayagopalâ€™s excellent translation (post #6) in this thread, Shishyaâ€™s discussions, and what little I know of telugu to give you an idea of the SabdArtha. I hope they do not mind.

Vijayagopal or Shishya, please feel free to correct me, or modify the posting.

P: celi nEnETlu sahintunE alavAnenta varNintunE 
Oh friend (celi)! How can (eTlu) I (nEnu) bear (sahintunE) [1] this betrayal? How (enta) can I describe (varNintunE) him (alavAnu) â€“ he who has betrayed me?

C1: manamOhanAkAruDE ghana vinOdi A dhIruDE paga dAniNTilO cEranE 

With a form (AkAruDE) that entices/pleases (mOhana) the mind/heart (mana) he is a fun-loving (ghana vinOdi), and brave (dhIruDE) man. However, he has gone (cEranE) to 'her' (dAni) house (iNTilO) - that wretched (paga) woman, who is now my rival.

2: jAvana rADAyanE manci puvvuluyinkElanE sogasevvaru jUcedarE 

Since he will not be coming (rADAyanE) here anytime soon/quickly (jAvana) from â€˜Her houseâ€™ what use do I now have (inkElanE/inkyAlanE) for nice (manci) fragrant flowers (puvvulu). Who (evaru) will be around to see/appreciate (jUDarE) my beauty (sogasu)?

3: cEDErO cAmEndrudE[2] krpa cUDAmaNi candruDE celi nEDayya rADAyene

Oh friends (cEDErO)! Despite being the font of compassion (krupa cUDAmaNi candruDu), I am certain He will not be coming (rADAyenE) to me today (nEDaina)

[1] Vijayagopal, in his post says that this can be replaced with sairintunE with no change in the meaning.
[2] Can this jAvALI be addressed to cAmarEndra, and hence this word be cAmarEndruDE?

parimalphadke · Post by **parimalphadke** » 05 May 2008, 16:02

As always shankar sir your exaplanation is so precise and perfect. Thanks a ton for this.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 05 May 2008, 18:49

Parimal,

Thanks, but the credit goes entirely to Vijayagopal and Shishya for this one.

unaradha · Post by **unaradha** » 26 Jul 2008, 11:31

can anyone tell me what does the word chamendurdue mean in this javali
celi nEnETlu (jAvaLi). rAgA: paraju. Adi tALA. Composer: Pattabhiramiah.

P: celi nEnETlu sahintunE alavAnenta varNintunE
C1: manOhara gAruDE ghana vinOdi A dhIruDE paga dAniNTilO cEranE
2: javvana rADAyanE manci puvvuluyinkElanE sogasevvaru jUcedarE
3: cEDErO cAmEndrudE krpa cUDAmaNi candruDE celi nEDayya rADAyene

revanthv552 · Post by **revanthv552** » 26 Jul 2008, 20:51

i am not sure but cant that mean nripa chuDAmaNi ...the best among kings...
i dont know whether i am right or wrong...just wanted to confirm,...by the way does a word 'Nripa chooodamani" exists.?..does this suit to the lyrics?....probably the nAyika in the song is referring to some king....?

Rigapada · Post by **Rigapada** » 27 Jul 2008, 07:52

Dear friends,
Below is the version given by Dr Pinakapani.

P: celi nEnETlu sairiMtunE alavAneMtO varNiMtunE
C1: manOhara kAruDE ghana vinOdaka dhIruDE paga dAniMTilO cErenE
2: javvana rADAyenE maMci puvvulu iMkElanE sogasevvaru jUcedarE
3: cEDerO cAmEMdrudE kRpa cUDAmaNi caMdruDE celi nEDaina rADAyenE

nRpa cUDAmaNi ia a valid word in Telugu.
javvAna = with speed, quickly.
used M to denote anusvAramu. R to denote the vowel as in kRshNa.
cAmEMdruDe = name of King?
--Rigapada

Kanchi · Post by **Kanchi** » 22 Dec 2019, 06:03

Can I have this notation please sir?

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 22 Dec 2019, 19:58

Sent.

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