Identification of music track

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 28 Jan 2007, 00:03

Mary,
I hear the second line as: umaiyai tanniDam sumandavan (one who carries (has with him) umai (pArvathi).

Sounds like Jesudas to me. From a film (dance sequence)?

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 28 Jan 2007, 01:15

It is either from a film, or for a 'filmy' number: otherwise, it would not be at such a racy pace from the get go.
I tried MIO and raaga, but did not come across the song in question. Sorry!

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 28 Jan 2007, 02:00

Atleast the first words...

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 28 Jan 2007, 03:43

The story of this incident is available here:

http://www.shaivam.org/siddhanta/tht23.html

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 28 Jan 2007, 03:56

I could not find the track with those words..

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 28 Jan 2007, 07:37

arasi wrote:umaiyai tanniDam sumandavan (one who carries (has with him) umai (pArvathi).

Sounds like Jesudas to me.

It is defnititely Yesudas.

"tan iDam" can be taken as "his left side". valam vs iDam. . This has more credence because it is very specific that pArvati occupies Sivan's left half of the body. Ganga is on his head and pArvati on his left side.

A great description of Kamban comes to mind:

bAgattil oruvan vaittAn pangayattirunda ponnai
Agattil oruvan vaittan andaNan nAvil vaittAn
mEgattil piRanda minnai venRa nuN iDaiyinALai
mAgattOL vIra! peRRAl engnganam vaittu vAzhdI!
---KambarAmAyaNam, AraNya kANDam 7, 76

This is what Surpanagai tells Ravana about getting sIta for himself.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 28 Jan 2007, 09:04

mahakavi, you are right. 'veLLi malai Isan iDa bAgam vaiththa kiLLai mozhiAL sivakAmi'...
Thanks for the beautiful quote from kamban, kaTTikkarumban...

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 28 Jan 2007, 09:13

umaiyai tanniDam sumandavan

The word 'sumandavan' - sumattal looks odd - Is it something to do with 'sati'?
If so, 'tanniDam' may not be correct. Is it 'tOlinil' - on the shoulders?

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 28 Jan 2007, 09:16

mahakavi wrote:valam vs iDam. . This has more credence because it is very specific that pArvati occupies Sivan's left half of the body.

That is why vAdiyAr's get upset when they see the groom sit on the bride's right during weddings, and pun...'poNDAttikku 'iDam' koDukkAdE!'.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 28 Jan 2007, 12:24

Ravi,
This, after a visit with bhArathi? Tut, tut...

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 28 Jan 2007, 15:13

As 'sumandavan' seems to be correct, in order to be in consonance with the meaning of the word, I feel it could be 'tuDai' - tuDai or tuDaiyil sumandavan

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 28 Jan 2007, 18:31

arasi wrote:Ravi,
This, after a visit with bhArathi? Tut, tut...

Arasi,
Since it is not my comment, I will have to ask the vAdiyArs if they are familiar with the King of poet's take on that...

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 28 Jan 2007, 18:35

Mary,
If I were a betting man, I would say that this is certainly a track from a movie - probably from the 1980s, if I had to guess. The orchestra, the sound of ankle bells, and the pace of the song, all suggest that this is indeed a movie song...it talks about the pittukku maNsumanda episode, also about mInAkSI sundarESwarar wedding and finally about SrI kAlahastISwara as well...

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 28 Jan 2007, 22:57

vgvindan wrote:
umaiyai tanniDam sumandavan
The word 'sumandavan' - sumattal looks odd - Is it something to do with 'sati'?
If so, 'tanniDam' may not be correct. Is it 'tOlinil' - on the shoulders?

vgvindan:
Although it is written as "tanniDam" when you split it it becomes "tan iDam" i.e., his left side.

Please see my post above. "sumattal" has different shades of the general meaning "carry a burden". If it is a weight you carry it is really a burden. There is a famous quote in a pamphlet by the Boystown in Texas which says, "He is NOT heavy; he is my Brother" with a picture showing one boy carrying another boy who is invalid. There it is a pleasurable burden one would love to carry.

As for Shiva carrying umA on his left side, even though the term is sumandavan, it does not have the same notation as a burden but umA is an integral part of ShivA. "sumattal" here means "take upon oneself".

If you refer to "kAlait tUkki ninRADum deyvamE" by MArimuttA PiLLai , there the term is "angattil oru peNNai anudinamum tUkki". It really does not mean "carry" or lift in the physical sense but indicates the integrated form.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 28 Jan 2007, 23:11

rshankar wrote:
arasi wrote:Ravi,
This, after a visit with bhArathi? Tut, tut...
Arasi,
Since it is not my comment, I will have to ask the vAdiyArs if they are familiar with the King of poet's take on that...

My take on the "poNDATTIkku iDam koDukkAdE" is this. Since Lord Shiva gave the left half of his body to umA no other person (male) should keep their mate (female, of course!) on their left side.

By the way, wasn't it Socrates who said (from personal experience) "If you make your wife equal to you she becomes your superior"? Another anecdote with respect to Socrates and his wife is for some other time and place.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 28 Jan 2007, 23:20

iNaikkiDam paDil iDar paDuM

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 28 Jan 2007, 23:25

Socrates said that?
Should it be "iNaikkiDam koDil iDar mEvum"?

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 28 Jan 2007, 23:26

I better stop lest arasi should take us all to the dumpster!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 28 Jan 2007, 23:45

mahakavi,
To the dumpster? That's an overstatement and you know it does not become of a royal personage. What do you know? I agree with you wholeheartedly. iNAi means mate--and it can go either way.
This word iDam has given a lot of iDam for misrepresentaion, thanks to marybum...

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 30 Jan 2007, 21:16

Mary,
I have redone the whole thing with changes in the words as I hear the singer enunciate. I am sure that others will chip in if I have made any mistakes, or add clarifications.

piTTukku = for a handful of piTTu (a dry powder consisting of a mixture of rice/lentils, and it forms the staple diet of the poor - can be mixed with stuff like water, buttermilk etc.)
mansumandu = (HE) carried/bore sacks of mud on His back (to help an old woman who did not have any able bodied men in her family to obey the proclamation of the king to build a dam)
gangayai thalai sumandhu Isan = bearing (sumandu) the Ganges (gangA) on his head (talai), the Lord (ISan)
Umayai thannidam sumandhavan = bore (sumadavan) umA (umayai - pArvatI/gowrI)
in his (tan) left (iDam) half.
tillai adum naTarAjan = (He is none other than) the King of Dance who dances in cidambaram (tillai).

The King of dance (naTarAja) who dances in Chidambaram is the same one who in madurai, worked as a laborer, carrying bags of mud on his back, for mere handsful of piTTu. He is also the one who bears gangA in his matted locks and his consort (the daughter of the mountain king, bhavAnI/pArvatI/girijA/gowrI/umA) in the left half of his body (as ardhanArISwara)

bhUtagaNa talaivan = the leader (talaivan) of the bhUta gaNas
naTTiyatin mudalvan = the first/best/supreme among the dancers
kailAya giri iraivan = the Lord (iraivan) of the mount (giri) kailAS (kailAyam)
kailai ADum Sivan = He is none other than Siva, the one who dances (ADum) in kailAS

Describing him further, the composer says that the Lord he is propitiating is the Lord Siva who dances the cosmic dance in his abode (mount kailAsa), the Lord of kailAS, the supreme dancer, and the leader of the bhUta gaNas.

Sivan ADa umai SEra = As Siva dances (ADa), and as umA joins him (SEra)
Ananda tAnDavan arangera = the Ananda tAnDavam goes up (Era) on the stage (arangam) - [Usually, for AnandatAnDavam, Siva and pArvati dance together - when Siva dances alone, it is usually the Urdhva or roudra tAnDavam]
aNDacarAcaram aSaindADa = and the whole universe (aNDacarAcaram - literally means all moving and static objects in the world) dances along (aSaindADa)

As Siva dances (in kalAS), and pArvatI joins in, the AnandatAnDavam is debuted on the stage of the world, and in the joy and creative energy that flows from this cosmic dance of divine union, the whole universe pulsates, hums, sways and dances along.

narambinai = (using his) nerves (narambu)
veeNaiyil = in a vINA
kambiAi Akki = made (Akki) into the strings/wires (kambi)
iSaiyinai meeTiya rAvaNanai = that rAvaNa who created/plucked (mITiya) music (iSai)
avan bhaktiyai = his (avan) devotion (bhaktuyai)
mechchi = apreciating
varam pala tandu = giving (tandu) him many (pala) boons (varam)
aruLiya nandi vAhananE = one who showered grace (aruLiya) is the one who rides the bull (nandI)
marai maganE talai maganE = the Lord/man/son (magan) of the vEdAs (marai), oh leader of men (talai magan)
en uDalil ovoru aNuvilum kalandavanE = one who is entwined/joined/mixed (kalandavan) in every (ovvoru) atom (aNuvilum) of my (en) body (uDalil)

Oh! Lord who showered blessings on rAvaNa who used his nerves as the stings of his vINA to propitiate you with music, Lord of the the 4 vEdAs, leader of mortal men, you are an integral part of every fiber in my body.

mInAkshI kalyANa vaibhavam madhuraiyil naDanpera = in madurai, the glory (vaibhavam) of your wedding (kalyANam) to mInAkshI (the warrior pAnDya princess, daughter of King malayadhwaja pAndyan and his queen, kAnchamAlA, and an incarnation of pArvatI) occured (naDampera)
tirumAl tan tirutangai kaigaLil paramanin karam sErka = As vishNu (tirimAl) joined (SErka) the Lord's hand (karam) in his (tan) divine (tiru) sister's (tangaiyin) hands (kaigaLil)

The glory of hosting the Lord's wedding to mInAkshI goes to the town of madurai, where viSNU gave his sister away to his friend, SivA - since malayadhwaja pANDyan was no more, viSNu the brother, as is the custom, gives his sister away. The interesting fact is that usally, in mortal weddings, in this situation, the act that sanctifies the dAnam or gifting away of the girl (kanyA) is the pouring of water, and is usually done by the wife of the man giving the bride away - this is called 'dArai vArttu koDukkiradu'. If sculptural evidence is to be believed, in mInAkSi kalyANam, viSNu does the dArai vArkkiradu himself. I do not know what this symbolizes.

vastramAi pulitolinai SArti = wearing (SArti) the tiger's (puli) skin (tOlinai) as garments (vastramAi)
kazhuttinil pAmbiNai SuTriyavan = the one (avan) with a necklace (aNai) of snakes (pAmbu) circling (SuTri) his neck (kazhuttinil)
dEvargaL viyandiDum tirumugam kaATTi = showing (kATTi) the divine (tiru) face (mugam) that even the gods (dEvargaL) are amazed (viyandiDum)
azhaginai iruppiDam Akkiyavan = one (avan) who became/made himself (Akkiyavan) the repository (iruppiDam) of all beauty (azhagin)
Isan avan sundarESan avan = He (avan) is SivA (ISan), he (avan) is sundarESan (the handsome/beautiful Siva) - Siva in madurai is called the handsome one - sundarESwaran, or sundarESan. Since people who gazed at him felt intoxicated, dizzy and faint from beholding his beautiful/handsome splendor, he is called
c(S)okkanAthan in tamizh.
tiru kALhastiyil uraibavan avan = He (avan) is also the lord who resides (uraibavan) in the holy city (tiru) of kALahasti.

Wearing tiger skin as garments, and a sanke as a garland/necklace, as he reveals to us the face that amazes even the gods, because it is the repository of all that is beautiful in this world, the composer realizes that he is none other than sundarESan of madurai. He is the same Lord who resides in kALahastI as well.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 31 Jan 2007, 21:05

Mary,
You are welcome!

gn.sn42 · Post by **gn.sn42** » 31 Jan 2007, 23:16

The web tells me that "Pittukku Man Sumanthu" by Yesudas is featured on an album "Ayyan irandu ponpathangale saranam" released by BMG and/or Tarangini.

This is available at Giri Trading as a CD:
http://giritrading.com/keyword.asp?item ... rentPage=1

and as a cassette:
http://giritrading.com/product.asp?item ... tes&dept=2

Might be worth a try - good luck!

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 01 Feb 2007, 00:19

gn.sn42,
That is some great googling skill!
Mary
Giritrading has provisions to eorder thro' their webpage and they mail the stuff to you!

gn.sn42 · Post by **gn.sn42** » 02 Feb 2007, 23:03

Thanks, rshankar...

Didn't Giri Trading come out with a download service? Or was it a custom CD business? Something where you can order single tracks?

gn.sn42 · Post by **gn.sn42** » 06 Feb 2007, 23:44

You're welcome, marybum. The Giri Trading links work intermittently - I was able to use them just now. The product codes are CDTTADEV1021 for the CD and CXTTADEV1021 for the cassette.

This is information from some third-party web site, so you might want to call/visit Giri Traders to confirm that the track you want is actually on the album. Hope you find it.