Gayathri Venkatraghavan in SIFAS, Singapore 110207

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bala747
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Post by bala747 »

She sang Anandabhairavi and Kharaharapriya. Try to guess which krithis.
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If you guessed "Marivere" and "Chakkani Raja", congratulations. Come forth and claim your prize.

I had enough of this so after the concert I went and asked her (nicely) why she sang those pieces, since they are such common pieces. Her reply floored me.

"Oh I came up with the list last night after the organisers told me what to sing". Finally, the mystery of the recurring song-lists solved in Singapore.

Organisers, if any of you are reading this, please.. I don't know, do something to yourself that will make your influence on what an artiste sings less felt!

Anyway, here goes.

Violin: NN Ganesh Kumar
Mridangam: KR Venkatasubramaniam

Varnam - Sarasijanabha - Kambhoji
Naradamuni - Panthuvarali (NS)
Marivere - Anandabhairavi (AS)
Hiranmayim - Lalitha (preceded by Slokam)
Thaye Tripurasundari - Suddha Saveri
Chakkaniraja - Kharaharapriya (ANST)
Vidajalathura - Janaranjani
RTP - Charukesi - Kanda Triputa (Ragamalika swarams)
Muruganin marupeyar - Behag
Bhavayami - Yamuna Kalyani - Annamacharya
Kandavarku Ninaivilum - Kuntalavarali
Sagarashayana - Bhagesri - MDR
Thillana - Kamas

Marks are given out of ten for each piece (except for the Kharaharapriya where I judged the alapana and krithi separately) for both choice and quality.
Key:
1-2: Better left for bathroom singing,
3-4: Getting there
5-6: Good rendition but a little dry
7-8: Very good to almost perfect
9-10: Perfect rendition

The varnam started off the concert nicely enough, and the voice was pretty good, but GV needs to still work a bit on mic-work. She tends to move close to the mic at rather inopportune times, resulting in the sudden amplification of certain high notes which produce quite a jarring effect. Anyway, a good start to the concert. 6/10 for choice, 6/10 for effort and quality.

The next piece immediately was a fantastic rendition of Naradamuni in Panthuvarali, with a brief neraval at Narayana namamulanu. She used many plain notes in this rendition and gave it a touch of what people call a "Hindustani" effect to the krithi. Beautiful. Furthermore, Panthuvarali has only been heard in Singapore in the past ten years once, by OST. She seemed to struggle during the swaraprastara though and the finish of some of the swara passages could be better. But high marks for the rendition of the krithi.

9/10 for choice, 6.5/10 for effort and quality.

She then took up Anandabhairavi, and my heart sank. No, there was nothing wrong specifically with the alapana. As far as alapanas in Anandabhairavi go, this was of a very good quality, but I knew which krithi was coming next. I was hoping against hope for Nimati, Thyagarajayoga or even O Jagadamba, but no, the same old Marivere gathi. Anyway the alapana was very chaste, and there wasn't anything specific to complain about as far as rendition quality was concerned. But on the flipside, there was nothing really spectacular or different, a very steady, standard, "official" version of anandabhairavi by GV and then by violinist Ganesh Kumar. The krithi was pretty ho-hum, and again there was nothing really to write home about. Marivere has been done to death. The swaras were nice though and she thankfully kept them short.

2/10 for choice, 6/10 for effort and quality.

What followed was a nice shloka in Lalitha and Hiranmayim Laksmim. GV has a voice amply suited for gamakas, and her krithi rendition is top notch. Her voice for this krithi also was apt, not too loud nor aggressive like Nityasree's and she kept to the mood of the ragam very well. A perfect followup to Anandabhairavi.

8/10 for choice, 8/10 for effort and quality.

The Periyasami Thooran piece, Thaye Tripurasundari came next, and was nicely rendered. Good choice to just buck up the pace a notch after the heavy stuff. Clean, correct rendition, and nothing to complain about.

8/10 for choice, 7/10 for effort and quality.

Kharaharapriya came next, and again I had that premonition. No, not Chakkaniraja again?! But I knew it was that and nothing else, and I told my girlfriend who was with me, "Paaru, Chakkaniraja paaduva, ivaalukku vera paattey theriyadaa indha ragatthila?" (See, she is going to sing Chakkaniraja. Don't they know any other song in this raga?). But more on that in a while.

The alapana was great. GV seems to be greatly influenced by KVN and SSI in her renditions of kharaharapriya, and the alapana was about 7-9 minutes long, just enough for a nice appreciation of kharaharapriya without becoming laborious. All the usual sancharas were there and the gamakas were soothing and the brighas were pretty lively without the bull-in-china-shop approach to them. She again however moved close and further to the mike at rather inopportune times, causing some parts to appear too loud and others barely audible. The violinist was very polished in his rendition, and his playign was very well aligned with GV's. On the whole, the rendition of the alapana was very, very good, if a bit formulaic.

6/10 for choice (of raga), 7.5/10 for effort and quality.

Chakkani Raja, neraval at kantikisundara and swaraprastara. Need I say more? Usual stuff. Heard it too many times before to mention.

-5/10 for choice, 6/10 for effort and quality.

The thani was good, if a bit on the short side. Due to the pathetic acoustics of the hall, and a wailing kid sitting near me, I couldn't appreciate it well enough. But still a very good effort by Sri Venkatasubramaniam.

7/10 for quality.

Vidajalathura in Janaranjani. Usual fare, sung at a hundred thousand miles per hour. Next. Why does everyone sing this like they are auditioning for the Speed Singing Competition? Why not sing it at a normal speed to show the beauty of the raga Janaranjani? Bad rendition. Too fast.

5/10 for choice, 3/10 for effort and quality.

She then took up Charukesi. Well I was hoping for a pratimadyama or vakra raga RTP (like Ranjani or Kedaragoula) but Charukesi, well not a particularly bad choice as it is not heard often here. But the problem with ragas like Charukesi and such melakarthas is they can get repetitive very quickly. Also, once a major Melakartha raga like kharaharapriya has already been taken, to render an RTP in a ragam like Charukesi gives the RTP and the raga a lesser significance than it deserves. The sancharas often get too similar to the same ones heard in Kharaharapriya, with just two swarams different. She could have sung an elaborate Ranjani or Dhanyasi instead if she wanted the RTP to be the semi-main item.

The alapana was polished, although rather formulaic, the thanam (which is what I look out for) was disappointingly short, more like filler. The pallavi was in Kanda Triputa. I'll post details once I re-hear the recording (please don't ask me for the concert here).

RAgamalika swarams (As usual), and culminated in a very decent Behag.

5.5/10 for choice, 6/10 for effort and quality.

Then came a nice rendition of Muruganin marupeyar azhagu in Behag. GV, I must mention again, has a wonderful voice for such compositions. It is not too shrill (like Nityasree's), and it is not too 'draggy' (like Aruna Sairam's). Following that was another slow thukkada, Bhavayami gopalabalam in Yamuna Kalyani. While this piece was popularised by MS, GV gave a very competent rendition, and there were times when the brilliance of the voice was approached that of MS herself. Then came a quick Kandavarku Ninaivilum in Kuntalavarali. Very, very good, but the ragas were a tad similar sounding?

5/10 for choice, 8/10 for effort and quality.

To complete a trifecta of great chouka kaala tukkadas by taking up MDR's Sagarasayanavibho. Beautiful rendition again, but she faltered at the last line. I thought I heard it wrongly and paid more attention the second time round, and yep, same mistake.
The last line goes, "srikara subhakara varadadasanutapada", and she sang it as 'varadaRAJAnutapada', changing the meaning effectively from "Lord of Varadadasa, i.e. MDR" to "Lord of Vishnu".
Furthermore, I am surprised at this error because 'Varadadasa' was MDR's mudra.

9/10 for choice, 6.5/10 for effort and quality.

Thillana in kamas at breakneck speed again but not too bad sounding. :)

6/10 for choice, 6/10 for effort and quality.

Mangalam was not rated.

Overall rating, 6.25/10.

Overall, a good concert, despite the limitations she faced with concert lists. The choice of pieces needs work, and so does the choice of ragas and there was no pratimadyama piece sung with an alapana. Also, she needs to spend some time adjusting to the mike as there are times when beautiful lines or sancharas can be ruined or not heard by moving too close or too far away from the mike. But for an upcoming artiste, very good concert indeed, and thanks for being forthright about the reason for choosing those items. :)

Organisers, please lay off telling artistes what to sing! Your influence is the reason why Singapore audiences hardly get to hear something different. And to whoever was doing the announcements, the word "concert" is pronounced as "CON-sert" and not "Kan-sezht". If you want to sound faux american, at least do it properly.
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Post by rshankar »

bala747 wrote:Organisers, if any of you are reading this, please commit harakiri now and rid us permanently of your pernicious influence.

I reiterate my plea to the organisers to quickly commit harakiri. Your influence is the reason why Singapore audiences hardly get to hear something different.
Bala,
I am sure there are other, less violent means of putting up your name for consideration to organize the SIFAS concerts!:P
I am sure that you have some friends who will nominate you!

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Post by bala747 »

Me?! Organise SIFAS concerts?! No thanks. The last person who tried to make an influence for the better is still roaming the building, flinching at sudden noises ;)
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Post by mahesh33 »

Good review, Bala! Anandabhairavi, Lalitha and RTP in charukesi seem to be fairly good raaga selections...
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Post by bala747 »

it was Anandabhairavi, Kharaharapriya and Charukesi. Lalitha was just a short slokam

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Post by vijay »

Bala - thanks for a comprehensive review which is, as always, refreshingly opinionated...

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Post by rajeshnat »

Bala
You have given a score of 6.5/10 in bhAgeshri, I am assuming she lost few points because of varadaRAJA ,what would be her score if she had got varadadasa. Just curious , not trying to put you in a spot. Nice review.

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Post by harimau »

bala747 wrote:Then came a quick Kandavarku Ninaivilum in Kuntalavarali.
That should be "Kandavarkku Kanavilum Kala Bhayam Edhayya" by Swarnavenkatesa Deekshithar.

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Post by sangeetarasikan »

Bala, great review. Very refreshingly honest and detailed.

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Post by manoranjitham »

Well. One is entitled to air his opinions and Mr. Bala seems to have done just that.

But many of us here are really surprised that she sang the word Varadadasa incorrectly. We have heard her sing it many times , here, in Chennai and there was not any single instance of incorrect enunciation. JUst to put the matter in the correct perspective.

The last occasion she sang it was in Parthasarathy Sabha in Dec. 2006 which has been written about by Ram on 30.12.2006 to which i had also appended my views on the rendition of this song.
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Post by Rengarajan »

Phrase 'Varada dasa , I understand, refers to MDR as the student of Tiger Varadachariar

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Post by Rengarajan »

Just as a matter of clarification

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Post by harimau »

Reading Bala747, one gets the impression that Singapore is a hotbed of Carnatic music what with concerts taking place with greater frequency than in Chennai during December season. Nothing could be farther from the truth. It is a pathetic little town which survives merely because its neighbors (Malaysia and Indonesia) happen to pursue stupider economic policies. It has very little to offer by way of cultural activities, particularly since the authorities shut down the transsexual bars in Bugis Street.

If Bala747 wants to hear less of Chakkani Raja and Marivere Gathi, there exists a simple solution: he can throw away his collection of three taped concerts!

Any person who hears "Kandavarkku Ninaivilum" when the singer sang "Kandavarkku Kanavilum" ought to have his hearing checked.

Such a person should not be writing reviews of concerts... or at least should not be taken seriously.

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Post by harimau »

manoranjitham wrote:Well. One is entitled to air his opinions and Mr. Bala seems to have done just that.
There is an Americanism that goes, "Opinions are like a@$*%#es; everybody has one."

In such a case, Bala747 ought not to be airing his on a public forum, no matter how much it needs airing.

I also checked my recording of the Dec 30th concert you mentioned and indeed she sang "varada dasa".

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Post by hindolam »

I have heard GV sing Sagara Shayana several times and she has always sung the words correctly as Varada dasa. As Harimau says the reviewer needs to check facts correctly before airin opinions in public.

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Post by Jigyaasa »

After such a bout of acrimonious comments, I really wonder who should be committing harakiri... :rolleyes: That apart, factual errors can happen and so can aural ones... I think it would do well for us to forgive and forget... The emphasis is on the music you know...

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Post by manoranjitham »

I am particularly happy that others also who have heard the song have confirmed that it was sung as Varadadasa only. The point has been made and confirmed.

Better we leave it at that.

Jigyaasa is to the point. Mistakes can occur. But what really matters is the music.

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Post by sbala »

Listening to an earlier recording only says that the artist has sung this properly in the past. Nothing is proven unless we have a recording of the Singapore concert and I don't think we want to get to that level. It's always easier to take the side of the artistes and keep yapping at reviewers.

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Post by kaapi »

I was present at this particular SIFAS concert and Bala is right. GV did sing it as " varadarAja" only. Not once but both times.
However this is a minor point and on the whole it was an enjoyable concert. Regading Bala's comments on GV moving nearer to the mic now and then,I feel that it was because the amplification for the pakkavAdyams was more and as a result they were were much louder than GV. With the result possibly she could not adjust the distance from the mic at which she should sing from.

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Post by mahesh_narayan »

to whoever was doing the announcements, the word "concert" is pronounced as "CON-sert" and not "Kan-sezht".
Reminds me of a physics teacher I had in high school, who used to pronounce "vernier calipers" as "very near kalipezhs":). As long as they don't refer to kritis as 'numbers' it is okay I guess:).

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Post by jayaram »

And the much-dreaded "Sit back and relax" is best avoided by announcers.

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Post by bala747 »

>Reading Bala747, one gets the impression that Singapore is a hotbed of Carnatic music what with concerts taking place with greater frequency than in Chennai during December season. Nothing could be farther from the truth. It is a pathetic little town which survives merely because its neighbors (Malaysia and Indonesia) happen to pursue stupider economic policies. It has very little to offer by way of cultural activities, particularly since the authorities shut down the transsexual bars in Bugis Street.

I never said it was nor did I imply it, and if you have been reading my posts I have mentioned time and again that Singapore averages about 5 concerts a year. In fact the last review I did of TNS was quite a few months back. If you can draw that implication from reviews that come in once every 5 months or less, then maybe you need a short course in logic. Very little to offer in terms of culture? Well at least we don't sit on some moral high-horse and claim all rights, patents and trademarks to the word 'culture' like you seem to be doing. You don't find me (or anyone) taking potshots at India or any other country in this forum, so what's the reason for the harsh words on Singapore? I happen to like it here, thank you very much. Don't like it here? Then get the hell out and don't come back. You won't be missed at the next presidential award ceremony, I assure you.

>If Bala747 wants to hear less of Chakkani Raja and Marivere Gathi, there exists a simple solution: he can throw away his collection of three taped concerts!

Three taped concerts? Well I don't know.. I last seemed to have a pretty large trove of concerts, and was sharing them pretty briskly both online, and mailing people tapes. I dunno.. Can someone verify this for me? I seem to be under this delusion that as far as music went I had quite a decent collection... I am no coolkarniji (who probably has everything ever recorded) but certainly more than three!

Any person who hears "Kandavarkku Ninaivilum" when the singer sang "Kandavarkku Kanavilum" ought to have his hearing checked.

Hey mistakes happen. In fact I got the title of the song from the Hindu because I always try to confirm what I hear. I still stand by the VaradaRAJA that she sang.. And I have the recording to prove it, AND it has been confirmed by at least one other member on this board who WAS THERE. What do you have? Apart from verbal diarrhoea that is.

By the way, yes rajeshnat the 6.5 was for the mispronounciation, which was rather glaring, not once but twice. If she had sung the right word, a 8 would have been her score.

>Such a person should not be writing reviews of concerts... or at least should not be taken seriously.

And they allowed you to use a computer unsupervised? Go back to your cage. Enough people take me seriously that I don't need my ego stoked by some halfwit who has just figured out where the 'On' button of his computer is.

I don't mind criticism of what I write, hell I thrive on it. But I also make sure I rebut them. Note to moderators: I did not wish to sound harsh but harimau should learn to mind his words as well. His posts needlessly flung vitriol at my country, and time and again, at me. His remarks have been disparaging and rude. I am not complaining against him, but I wish to point out the reason why I said what I said in this post. Whenever I use some colourful language I get blasted upon, and yet here harimau seems to be getting away scot free after taking numerous shots at me for one simple mistake in one syllable of a word.
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Post by sraja »

Wow this is generating some interest.
Bala 747 wrote
"Kharaharapriya came next, and again I had that premonition. No, not Chakkaniraja again?! But I knew it was that and nothing else, and I told my girlfriend who was with me, "Paaru, Chakkaniraja paaduva, ivaalukku vera paattey theriyadaa indha ragatthila?" (See, she is going to sing Chakkaniraja. Don't they know any other song in this raga?). "

Well I have heard GV sing in Karaharapria Rama neeyada, nadachi, Pakkala Nilabadi, Rama Nee samanam evaru, Sreenivasa, Senthil andavan, Ayyappan avatharitha, Janaki Pathe, and Saraswathi Annaye. But I think Chakkani is the king in Karaharapriya, and kudos to the artist for presenting this majestic piece to what was a new audience for her!

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Post by Jigyaasa »

@bala747, verbal diarrhoea indeed...:) I'm not incensed in the least if that was meant for me... In fact I'm only amused. I mean my post had no indications as to whose side I was taking... You're pretty right... I really have nothing, except probably a pacifist nature. I'd still say the review was good. My intention was only to attempt clearing the bad air(no pun intended)... If that was to no avail, sorry...
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Post by saranga »

Quoting Bala
"Hey mistakes happen. In fact I got the title of the song from the Hindu because I always try to confirm what I hear. I still stand by the VaradaRAJA that she sang.. And I have the recording to prove it
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So Bala has the recording too! Hope it was done with the permission of the organisers whom he has so berated and of the artist too!

Or was it done sneakily?

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Post by bala747 »

Heh saranga, I always record concerts, sneakily or not for my own use. Besides, that is not the issue here. I am more than willing to explain the morality of it in another thread if you want me to, but I think this thread is scarcely the place for it. Please don't bring up red herrings.

Jigyaasa, I was referring exclusively to harimau's comments, not yours. Unless you're telling me the two of you are the same. :P If I accidentally attributed anything you said to him, I humbly apologise.

My goodness, if the attention for a GV review was this overwhelming, imagine the reaction when I post my review of Unnikrishnan's concert tomorrow! And you can bet I am going to!

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Post by jayaram »

Dear Bala and others,

I feel we can do with a bit less shrillness here...

Thank you for your understanding.

Look forward to the Unnikrishnan review.

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Post by MaheshS »

Hey Bala,

You looking forward to hearing Unnikrishnan sing the ever beautiful Chakkani Raja? He knows 20 different ones in the same raga but the majestic one will prevail!!

Hehehehe :)

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Post by harimau »

Looks like the moderators of this board cannot handle the truth.

Accusations against musicians in general such as "Paaru, Chakkaniraja paaduva, ivaalukku vera paattey theriyadaa indha ragatthila?" (See, she is going to sing Chakkaniraja. Don't they know any other song in this raga?) are allowed to stand.

Statements such as [And they allowed you to use a computer unsupervised? Go back to your cage.] are allowed to stand.

However, comments about the intellectual capabilities of those who cannot make it to the US but have to settle in/for Singapore are deleted.

Gutless wonders!

Let us see if you have the intestinal fortitude to keep this post on the board.

I would bet not.

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

harimau, things are getting out of hand and hence the action by the Moderators. Let us move on.

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Post by bala747 »

Shall we close this topic? Let's agree to disagree on our views here.

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

Yes, please.

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Post by Sankar K »

harimau - However, comments about the intellectual capabilities of those who cannot make it to the US but have to settle in/for Singapore are deleted.

Do you really want to judge people's intellectual capabilities on whether they make it to US?

It took me quite a full minute to stop my ROTFL to type up this response.

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Post by harimau »

Sankar K wrote:harimau - However, comments about the intellectual capabilities of those who cannot make it to the US but have to settle in/for Singapore are deleted.

Do you really want to judge people's intellectual capabilities on whether they make it to US?

It took me quite a full minute to stop my ROTFL to type up this response.
Among emigrants from India, absolutely. Otherwise, the Singapore government wouldn't be looking for US companies/consultants.

The fact remains that the best of the best choose to go to the US and the rest of the world has to accept a bunch of sorry losers.

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Post by Sankar K »

Well, I disagree with you harimau. Apart from intellectual capabilities, there are also - willingness, circumstances, opportunities, belief, numerous other factors. You are making a sweeping generalization.

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

People, let us not pursue this line of discussion. It does not belong in this thread ( or for that matter in this forum ). Thanks in advance for your cooperation!!

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Post by bala747 »

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Post by srkris »

I'm locking this thread with a request to harimau and bala747 to stop personal attacks and avoid discussing with each other, if need be, to preserve decorum. The post about non-US migrants being losers was in poor taste, revealing deep prejudices and dogma.

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