Sahana

Sahana-priyan · Post by **Sahana-priyan** » 10 Jan 2006, 09:34

I am a big admirer of Sahana ragam (like many after reading these threads). I would like to know more about its structure, its origins,good time to sing, how to learn, composers who composed in this raga and the various krithis in this raga that is available. I should say that i was drawn by Sahana after hearing to Shri. MDR in Giripai.

I have a request to all rasikas if anybody can post any of the sahana krithis in audio/video format that you might have?

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 10 Jan 2006, 14:34

I have got a lot of them. I will upload them this evening for you. Iam a biog admirer of Sahana too. Will also post some notes on its structure as well.
kiran

kaumaaram · Post by **kaumaaram** » 10 Jan 2006, 15:25

KVN RTP from vasya10.tripod.com

http://rapidshare.de/files/5649088/KVN- ... a.mp3.html

Kaumaaram

Sahana-priyan · Post by **Sahana-priyan** » 10 Jan 2006, 22:51

Thanks Kiran Sir. I am looking forward to it. I know that Sahana is a rakthi ragam. Would you know why?

Thanks Kaumaaram sir, i had heard this RTP long time back. Now, i got a chance to hear many times..

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 11 Jan 2006, 09:56

sahanapriyan,
i am working on the sahana stuff.will upload after some time to avoid duplication.

Sahana-priyan · Post by **Sahana-priyan** » 11 Jan 2006, 13:55

Coolkarni Sir,
Thank you. I appreciate your gesture. I should mention here that your contribution to this group and others are extremely valuable. After seeing this group (including you and other mahanubhavas), i am encouraged and more enthusiastic about upholding and learning more about our music tradition.

We waiting for sahana to pour on us.

Thanks.

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 11 Jan 2006, 14:03

Hi sahana Priyan,
Here is some of the stuff. I will upload the rest soon.
http://rapidshare.de/files/10828020/Sahana.zip.html
Kiran

Sahana-priyan · Post by **Sahana-priyan** » 11 Jan 2006, 14:48

Kiran Sir,
Thanks for starting the downpour. I have definitely heard all the krithis in your upload but listening to sahana again and by different artists make me just feel so like a first timer and elated as always.

Looking for the rest as well.

I would also request if you/ any one can shed some information on the important,common,uncommon prayogams of swarams in sahana.

Has Dikshitar composed in Sahana? I am pretty confident that Shyama sastry hasn't but would like to check with you all. How about Purandara Dasa, Papanasam Sivan, Ambujam Krishna, Annamacharya, Swathi Tirunal, Kshetagna etc.

Thanks.

kaumaaram · Post by **kaumaaram** » 11 Jan 2006, 15:57

Certainly yes. Dikshitar has composed one of the Navavarana Kritis in Sahana. Saint Thyagaraja has included a song in Sahana in his Kovur Pancharatna kritis. Under Sangeetha Label, Suguna Purushothaman and her disciples had rendered "Rare Kritis of Shyma Sastri". I am not too sure whether this contains a composition in Sahana.

First we need to arrive at a list of krithis composer-wise. That will give us a better picture. As far as rare prayogams are concerned, ideally you must listen to RTPs in Sahana by different artists so that you could understand the difference in its entirety.

Kaumaaram

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 11 Jan 2006, 16:18

Dikshitar has got a couple in Sahana. One of them is in the list that I have sent you. There is one more I think in Sahana. I think Thyagaraja has got lot more than anyone. We dont have any raagas list of Annamaacharya. people sing his kirtans in raagas of their choice. I have learnt upto 30 Syamasatri krithis of which I dont remember anything in Sahana. One song in the group that I have sent you is by Purandara dasa sung by Smt M.S.Sheela. I have a very few tamil songs so no clue about tamil compositions in Sahana.
Praogams like Pa Ma Ga Ma Ri, Da Pa Ma Da Ni Da pa ma Ga mA Ri, Ri Pa Ma Ga Ma Rii Ga Ri, are the kind that establish the raaga immediately. More to follow

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 11 Jan 2006, 19:47

Some more Sahana for you..

http://rapidshare.de/files/10843303/Mah ... a.mp3.html
Kiran

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 11 Jan 2006, 20:43

I open my account with some vintage TNS
First with MSG
http://rapidshare.de/files/10845839/05- ... a.mp3.html

and next with Lalgudi Jayaraman(Nagpur Concert)

http://rapidshare.de/files/10846281/03- ... a.mp3.html

http://rapidshare.de/files/10846586/04- ... a.mp3.html

Sahana-priyan · Post by **Sahana-priyan** » 12 Jan 2006, 03:20

Thanks Kaumaaram, Kiran and coolkarni sir. How did i forget the navavarana krithi? I have heard that from Shri DKJ many many times...May be it was the late night effect ...

I will work today and tomorrow to list as many krithis in Sahana by composers..I think many artists render the same krithis (although IMHO, everybody shows the swaroopa differently). We should see the whole gamut and see if they have been rendered by some great soul.

In the meantime, keep the sahana (meaning 'Patience' , i read this somehwere) flowing...

Coolkarni sir,
I believe i am going to hear "Manamu" for the first time. I just realized that 'Chittam irangada' is a Sivan krithi. Beautiful one. Thanks. I always feel that sahana sung in vilamba kalam particularly is very soothing to the mind. It draws me like a bee to the flower.

Is there any other raga that is very close to sahana in structure?

Sahana-priyan · Post by **Sahana-priyan** » 12 Jan 2006, 04:12

Fortunately i found a listing of many krithis in Sahana .. Let us see if we can hear all..

Sahana Everemi bodhana [Varnam] Ata Patnam Subramonia Iyer
Sahana Karunaimpa [Varnam] Adi Tiruvottiyur Tyagayya
Sahana Balumo samayannu [Varnam] K.Chapu Muthaiah Bhagavathar
Sahana Vanajakshi [Varnam] Ata Subbarama Dikshithar
Sahana Giripaai nela Adi Thyagaraja
Sahana Rama ik nannu Rupaka Patnam Subramonia Iyer
Sahana Vandanamu Adi Thyagaraja
Sahana Manamu kavalannu Rupaka Muthaiah Bhagavathar
Sahana Srikamalambikaya Triputa Muthuswamy Dikshitar
Sahana Ishanedi Triputa Muthuswamy Dikshitar
Sahana Abhayam bhayam Triputa Muthuswamy Dikshitar
Sahana Vashivashi Adi Ramaswamy Dikshithar
Sahana Ramanee indakopam Adi Arunachalakavi
Sahana Enniya dinam K.Chapu Ambujam Krishna
Sahana Inke varunaru Adi Annaswamy Sastri
Sahana Karunjudarada Adi G.N.Balasubramoniam
Sahana Koncham kelamma Rupaka Muthuswamy Kavi
Sahana Chithamirangudenayya Triputa Papanasam Sivan
Sahana Piraviyedanal payanam Adi Papanasam Sivan
Sahana Keliyugamuna M.Chapu Ponnayya Pillai
Sahana Yedum ariyene Jhampa Koteeswara Iyer
Sahana Jagathalu sukham Adi Lakshmanan Pillai
Sahana Kandenkali Adi Nilakanta Sivan
Sahana Innamum avar manam Adi Nilakanta Sivan
Sahana Gati Niye nayen Adi Papanasam Sivan
Sahana Idaiyaratum Adi Papanasam Sivan
Sahana Govindadhyanana M.Chapu Purandaradasa
Sahana Jayajaya raghu rama Chapu Swati Tirunal
Sahana Devi thava padha bhakthum Adi Thyagaraja
Sahana Yemendichevo Rupaka Thyagaraja
Sahana Nijamukha ni mahimaru Adi Thyagaraja
Sahana Dehi thava padabakthu Adi Thyagaraja
Sahana Ivasudha neevanti Adi Thyagaraja
Sahana Raghupathirama Rupaka Thyagaraja
Sahana Rama rama ramulu M.Chapu Thyagaraja
Sahana Srirama srirama Adi Thyagaraja
Sahana Urake kalguna M.Chapu Thyagaraja
Sahana Sevin tamuraramma Adi Vina kuppayyar
Sahana Nannubrova jagadara Rupaka Vina kuppayyar
Sahana Sivanthamuraramma Adi Vina kuppayyar
Sahana Anthakasura subane Rupaka Muthaiah Bhagavathar
Sahana Arya Devi Adi Muthaiah Bhagavathar
Sahana Innamum avar manam Adi Periyaswamy Thooran
Sahana Saravanabhava Adi Tanjore Sankara Iyer
Sahana Sri evvare M.Chapu Tirupati Narayanaswami
Sahana Taramu Gadura Adi Vasudevachar
Sahana Budhiyedu Magala Adi Vedanayakom Pillai
Sahana Inda velayil Adi Vedanayakom Pillai
Sahana Karuna ni seyyan Adi Vedanayakom Pillai
Sahana Udaviseyya Rupaka Vedanayakom Pillai
Sahana Meragudu Rammanave [Padam] M.Chapu Kshetragna

Sahana-priyan · Post by **Sahana-priyan** » 12 Jan 2006, 04:14

I think we should add Sree Vathapi ganapathiye in sahana by Shri Sivan.

kaumaaram · Post by **kaumaaram** » 12 Jan 2006, 11:31

Sahana-Priyan,

Amazing! Let us start picking up the songs rendered by different artists.

Kaumaaram

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 12 Jan 2006, 14:34

Of course, Dwijawanthi and Narayana gowla are related to Sahana to some extent. Actually, Sahana used to be Bhaashanga Raag with Anthargaandhara as Anyaswara and was a Karaharapriya Janya in
Dikshitar- Venkatamakhin`s classification.

mantra · Post by **mantra** » 12 Jan 2006, 17:56

We should also add
" Venkatesa Dhayamato' by Purandaradasar
Regards
Shyam

Sahana-priyan · Post by **Sahana-priyan** » 13 Jan 2006, 04:34

I am guessing that the sahana downpour has stopped for something more to come...

Anyway, I found Jayajaya raghu rama Chapu Swati Tirunal in www.swathitirunal.org for those interested. It was nice.

Kaumaaram sir, Not to digress, Can you give more details on the rare krithis of shyama sastri..He is my favourite composer...I will start a thread on him later..

Kiran sir, Very interesting. I never knew that sahana and dwijavanthi are related. Infact, i have to hear to dwijavanthi again to notice that.

Sahana-priyan · Post by **Sahana-priyan** » 13 Jan 2006, 04:37

Kaumaaram sir, I am looking for ways to buy it...Where and label # etc.?

param · Post by **param** » 13 Jan 2006, 09:35

Sahana-Priyan,

Time permitting - I will upload today for your hearing pleasure a varnam sung by Voleti in Sahana

param · Post by **param** » 13 Jan 2006, 12:02

Here's one by Dandapani Desikar in Sahana

http://rapidshare.de/files/10950062/Dan ... sahana.mp3

Await the one by Voleti

kaumaaram · Post by **kaumaaram** » 13 Jan 2006, 13:10

Kaumaaram sir, I am looking for ways to buy it...Where and label # etc.?

Sahana - Priyan

It was on Sangeetha label. The management has changed hands that such good numbers are not all produced these days! I am trying to lay my hands on it and no sooner than obtaining it, shall give it to you. Let me tell you seriously and without kidding you, that the renditions had come out excellently well, recording being nice and the voices of all the artists participating in the venture neatly synchronising. Possibly, Coolkarni might be having it!

Kaumaaram

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 13 Jan 2006, 14:36

Yes they are slightly related. Listen to Dwijawanthi, especially dikshitar krithis like Akhilandeswari and Chethasri..
you will notice the similarities..

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 13 Jan 2006, 15:47

kaumaram
which is the artist you are referring to please?

sahanapriyan-do not despair.
I have taken down the list .and am working on it .if i cannot locate it myself, i have a huge back office which will continue to work on it.we gurantee that we will get you tired of this raga.

speaking of sahana, one of the most enduring images etched in my mind is that of a very young ravikiran , bent over his gottuvadyam (as it was then called) and playing some great sahanas , in the early 80s.
cannot describe that experience in words.Pure bliss.

I have been waiting for someone to post GNB's famous sahana RTP -now where has badri gone?-
If Nothing happens for another day , I will post it myself in parts.a great sahana.

any one of you who downloaded the concert of BV Raman Laxman at this forum a couple of months ago, will remember a delightful giripai by them.Kindly upload it please>

Since I can now scan -my catlogs-only artist by artist , picking out the great sahana tracks will be slow..

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 13 Jan 2006, 18:46

Sahana-priyan,
here is one of all-time favorite sahAnA renderings: pristine, and grand:
http://rapidshare.de/files/7063776/03_a ... _.mp3.html
Thanks to Ramji who had posted these delectable tracks a while ago.
Ravi

abadri · Post by **abadri** » 13 Jan 2006, 21:37

kaumaram
I have been waiting for someone to post GNB's famous sahana RTP -now where has badri gone?-

any one of you who downloaded the concert of BV Raman Laxman at this forum a couple of months ago, will remember a delightful giripai by them.Kindly upload it please

Kulkarniji, life has suddenly become very hectic once my baby started going to
daycare - which explains my irregular presence here.

Here's the BVR/BVL rendition of Giripai Nelakona
[rapidshare links deleted]

A GNB rendition of the Thyagaraja kriti Ee Vasudha
[rapidshare links deleted]

The GNB Sahana RTP is on it's way to rapidshare as I type.

-Badri

abadri · Post by **abadri** » 13 Jan 2006, 21:55

GNB's RTP in Sahana from a 1960 concert in Narayanakkottai
[rapidshare links deleted]

abadri · Post by **abadri** » 13 Jan 2006, 22:42

Sahana-priyan, here's a sahAnA compilation, which hopefully you'll find to be interesting:-

A few DKJ renditions of Sahana
Sari Evvare - [rapidshare links deleted]
Raghupate Rama - [rapidshare links deleted]
Jaya Jaya Raghurama - [rapidshare links deleted]
Sri Kamalambikayam - [rapidshare links deleted]

Sahana varnam
Voleti - [rapidshare links deleted]
Prof. SRJ - [rapidshare links deleted]
Tiruvarur V Namasivayam - [rapidshare links deleted]

A few renditions of Thyagaraja's Emanadichevo
TKR - [rapidshare links deleted]
Voleti - [rapidshare links deleted]
Brinda_Muktha - [rapidshare links deleted]

Papanasam Sivan's Sri Vatapi Ganapatiye
Santhanam - [rapidshare links deleted]
Setalapatti - [rapidshare links deleted]

Dikshitar's Sri Kamalambikayam
Ramnad Krishnan - [rapidshare links deleted]
Pattamadai Sundaram Iyer - [rapidshare links deleted]

RK Srikantan - Rama Ika Nannu
[rapidshare links deleted]

MDR with his own composition - Velavane
[rapidshare links deleted]

MLV - Vandanamu Raghunandana
[rapidshare links deleted]

SSI - Ee Vasudha
[rapidshare links deleted]

Prof. TRS - Samyapurattu Maree
[rapidshare links deleted]

A Tillana by Prof. Mysore V Ramaratnam
[rapidshare links deleted]

A padam by Brinda_Muktha
[rapidshare links deleted]

Sahana-priyan · Post by **Sahana-priyan** » 14 Jan 2006, 01:31

Coolkarni sir,
Thanks sir. Does a bee get tired of flower(with full of eternal nectar in this case) once it knows the taste of the nectar? Never. It will go elsewhere but surely come back. That is how i will be to sahana.

Badri Sir,
You have answered the calls for Krithis by one and all. I have seen that in many forums. I am about to listen BVR-BVL Giripai. Thanks.

Keep the downpour coming...After the downpour or along with it, we should take song by song and discuss that as well to see why is sahana so good and why the composers choose sahana for a particular krithi? Atleast for layman like me...

'Loka samastha sukhino bhavanthu'

Que: How is sahana related to hindustani ragam named 'shahana'? Any idea..

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 14 Jan 2006, 01:52

Sahanaa Priyan!
Sahana is a Karuna Rasapradaana raagam which makes it suitable for songs which have a meaning that suggests Saranaagathi. For example take up Vandanamu Raghu nandanaa by Sri Thyagaraaja. If you see the saahithyam, in one of the charanaas it says Odanu( I wont loose) Bhakthi Veedanu( I wont leave your worship) Parula vedanu( I will never pray anyone one else) Nee Vaadanu( Iam yours) What else is there to be written about Saranagathi than this Charanam. Such is the power of words. Sahana is indeed a great raagam carnatic music is proud of. I have a BMK`s rendtion of navavarna krithi in Sahana on a tape. Will try to Put it on my comp and send it to you, before the week end.

Sahana-priyan · Post by **Sahana-priyan** » 14 Jan 2006, 06:43

Kiran Sir,
Thinking about it more.. You are indeed right..That is the feeling i get when i hear to sahana.

As i wrote before, after we get to hear the audio portion or along with it, we should discuss the krithis in detail as possible and see what kind of feelings(bhava) that the composer had in his heart at that point. I would appreciate if some can tell us the context of these krithis if possible. I have heard that Giripai was the krithi that Saint Thyagaraja composed when Rama came in his dream and told that he will attain HIS feet 11 days(not sure) from that day.. Indeed a great soul to have this grand vision..

Sahana-priyan · Post by **Sahana-priyan** » 14 Jan 2006, 06:56

Coolkarni Sir,
You are right about Shri Ravikiran. I have heard Karunimpa-Sahana varnam played by him in Gottuvadyam (don't know if it was a old recording but the cassette showed him very young). It was bliss to put it right.

param · Post by **param** » 14 Jan 2006, 07:42

sahanapriyan-do not despair.
I have taken down the list .and am working on it .if i cannot locate it myself, i have a huge back office which will continue to work on it.we gurantee that we will get you tired of this raga.

Since I can now scan -my catlogs-only artist by artist , picking out the great sahana tracks will be slow..

Second and Third you Kji on the point about your Back Office Am looking for it.

Your back office branch in Mumbai will try to post SAHANA pieces on Monday

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 14 Jan 2006, 10:44

'Loka samastha sahAnA bhavanthu'

Sahana-priyan · Post by **Sahana-priyan** » 15 Jan 2006, 21:00

Wishing you all a very happy Pongal !!!

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 15 Jan 2006, 22:05

And you

humdinger · Post by **humdinger** » 16 Jan 2006, 12:41

Kiransurya, i have downloaded the zip file you have up loaded and listening to the RTP in that. can you please give me the artiste details. very nice aalapana...

Also, can some one post a Sahana rendition of smt. DKP...preferably an RTP

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 16 Jan 2006, 14:42

One of them is by Smt Charumathi Ramachandran and the other one by KVN.

humdinger · Post by **humdinger** » 16 Jan 2006, 16:44

Thank You!

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 17 Jan 2006, 06:54

Badri/Kulkarni sa'ab,
Any chance of getting a version of jaya jaya raGurAmA as an mp3 or ogg file?
Thanks.
Ravi

meena · Post by **meena** » 17 Jan 2006, 07:02

shankar

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rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 17 Jan 2006, 07:22

THANKS, Meena!
Ravi

Sahana-priyan · Post by **Sahana-priyan** » 17 Jan 2006, 11:54

Another padam to add to the list of sahana krithis
Choodare by Saint Kshetragna

abadri · Post by **abadri** » 18 Jan 2006, 03:12

Badri/Kulkarni sa'ab,
Any chance of getting a version of jaya jaya raGurAmA as an mp3 or ogg file?
Thanks.
Ravi

Ravi, here is DKJ's rendition as a mp3 file
[rapidshare links deleted]

Meena, hope this is not a duplication of what you posted!

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 18 Jan 2006, 03:39

Badri,
Thanks. It is not a duplication.
Ravi

Sahana-priyan · Post by **Sahana-priyan** » 20 Jan 2006, 02:33

All,
It looks like the downpour has come to an end...

Coolkarni sir, Do you think you have any other krithis in the list sung by any artist?

I think we can discuss the meaning of krithis in our list that we have. I will suggest to start with 'Giripai'? I am not that familiar with Telugu but can somebody get us the lyric and notation? When was it composed? What is special about the prayogams(if any)? Any interesting anecdotes?

I hope we can keep the momentum going...Thanks.

mantra · Post by **mantra** » 20 Jan 2006, 03:14

Sahana-Priyan,
I can send you Venkatesa DayaMato rendered by Malladi Bros.. it is a live non-commercial recording. Please give m your mail id, you can post in on rapishare as I dont have an account to upload.
Regards
Shyam

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 20 Jan 2006, 03:36

Shyam you dont need an account to upload. you can directly do it. www.rapidshare.de

mantra · Post by **mantra** » 20 Jan 2006, 06:33

How do I browse from my PC and link the file in rapidshare