Award of Rasikapriya to DRS

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Mar 2007, 00:11

Iam happy to see all this enthusiasm and interest.

Arun- nice work. You seem to have used SRG-- as well as ga, ma etc in places. Can you uniformly use only S,R,G---? Thanks

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 29 Mar 2007, 00:14

ok drs. I like the terseness of ga, ma for dhIrga swaras but they cannot span across angas so i have used say g , if tala anga intervenes (otherwise it was unintentional). I see in kannada script you are able to use the terse form even across angas - but doing "s | a" (or worse for tamizh) seemed contrived (and besides the software doesnt support it!)

But in the software it is just an entry preference. I can always stick to g ,

Arun

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Mar 2007, 00:15

Also the spelling of lyrics is incorrect in many places. Please see the lyrics (In roman script) I posted and correct accordingly. Thanks

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 29 Mar 2007, 00:15

did i interpret you correctly?

Arun

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Mar 2007, 00:16

Yes, please stick to S,R, G thats the way I have written in all previous notations I put up on the forum.

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 29 Mar 2007, 00:16

DRS,
I too so that .
But I think this way "sa" will represent long "sA" and "S" will be for short "sa" It will help when converting to other languages. One could use ", " instead.

Arun
three is bad luck. it is still messed up. I requested a line break all the way thru charanam. I hope I am not making you work

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 29 Mar 2007, 00:23

drs - i see now there are plenty of spelling mistakes - sorry!

suji - the previous version swaras were messed up for the last 2 lines. Are you still seeing that? You want a break per line caraNam as opposed to one break per 2-lines (which is what i thought i did last time).

Actually its not much work.

Arun

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Mar 2007, 00:24

use of "," is fine- Suji Im sure you know how I write notations. sA can be "S ,", "S;" etc. But no swara endings please (like sa ri, ga, ma). That starts looking like sAhitya

Arun- do you first enter swaras and then sAhitya? If so, I can suggest a way out to get the swaras right in the other languages. Make a copy of the swara alone first and replace all S with sa, R with ri and so on. That how I did for the punnAgavarALi varNa- a little extra work yes, but the result is fully satisfactory.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 29 Mar 2007, 00:25

i am going to use your translit scheme as is - but what is s^? ಶ ?

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 29 Mar 2007, 00:27

I enter both - actually i devised a where i can type everything in ascii (i.e. ordinaly text editor like notepad) and make my program suck it in. Not exactly a WYSIWYG as you edit, but very efficient

and it is easy to replace just the swaras.

Arun

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Mar 2007, 00:27

arunk wrote:i am going to use your translit scheme as is - but what is s^? ಶ ?

No. Remember those sankEti letters we corresponded about? Thery will not map directly to any letter/symbol (glyph

in the scripts. SO you will have to use the ^ symbol therein as well after the respective letters (s or whatever)

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Mar 2007, 00:29

arunk wrote:Not exactly a WYSIWYG as you edit, but very efficient and it is easy to replace just the swaras

Thats great. Good work.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 29 Mar 2007, 00:35

question: In the very first sangati you have

; ga | ma ;
_________

(i.e. ga, ma dhirga , and all in double speed). If we drop terse form for dhIrga, this becomes

; g , | m , ;
_________

or

; g , | m ; ,
__________

is this ok? (or would it be kosher to promote to normal speed and thus , g | m , ?)

Arun

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 29 Mar 2007, 00:59

ok. Until we get the mistakes ironed out i thought i will put it in a fixed place:

http://arunk.freepgs.com/pannarado2.pdf

I have corrected spelling mistakes and also used , for dhIrga swaras throughout.

Arun

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Mar 2007, 01:06

I think it is ok in this case to change to normal speed where feasible. For 2nd use, could you please change to underline (As opposed to overline). Spelling fine save on- upadESipi (not UpadESipi)

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 29 Mar 2007, 01:19

updated - fixed upadESipi, and also underlines now (i did not fix the other thing - left it as is)

Arun

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Mar 2007, 01:43

arunk wrote:(i did not fix the other thing - left it as is)

What other thing? It looks fine. 2 things- Suji is right about the spacing. After each like (swara sAhitya) double spacing makes it totally unambiguous and easy on yhe eye. And, please number sangatis.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 29 Mar 2007, 01:48

i mean

m , ;
_____

to m ,

i can add a bit more spacing.

numbering sangatis - the only way is to indicate it via heading i.e. above (sort of like pallavi: etc. but normal text maybe small font etc.). I would love to do it in the left margin like books but unfortunately thats not easy to implement.

Arun

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Mar 2007, 02:11

What about at the end of the sangati Arun- numbering I mean

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 29 Mar 2007, 02:23

i am not sure i follow. Is it possible to illustrate it in some way?

Arun

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 29 Mar 2007, 02:37

updated again with better spacing around each swara+lyric couplet.

Arun

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Mar 2007, 02:45

arunk wrote:i am not sure i follow. Is it possible to illustrate it in some way?

Arun

for left numbering (preferable)
1) ;G , | M ,

2) ; GM | DPD,

For right
G , | M , ||1||

GM | DPD, ||2||

Why would it be difficult to get it in the left margin? Is it not the same as writing swaras or lyrics?

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 29 Mar 2007, 02:55

It is difficult because of the data model used by the software. Since it was intended to be a "from scratch" editor, the song data simply indicates which tala, and swaras (speed, length) and associated lyrics. The software then lays it out as per tala - putting tala markers wherever appropriate.

This also means that in the song data itself there is nothing that indicates "a new tala cycle starts and i want you to attach this label to this cycle". You cant also say put "||" here - as indicated above placement of tala markers are automatically controlled by the layout at the precise point where they belong.

There are advantages to the adopted model. This obviously is a bad disadvantage (which needs to be countered somehow).

Arun

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 29 Mar 2007, 06:30

i notice that on the mac, the lines for 2nd speed show up "very light". They print also same way (not horrible, but could appear more prominent). On my PC they looked fine - although i didnt try printing.

Is anybody seeing similar behaviour? Do they lines seem ok on a printout? Or should they be drawn thicker?

Arun

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 29 Mar 2007, 20:38

i found a way to introduce numbering sangatis. It is not the most ideal in terms of the whole scheme of things - but i am quite happy with the approach, and think is fine for most practical purposes.

Please check it out: http://arunk.freepgs.com/pannarado2.pdf
(i am not 100% sure if i numbered the sangatis correctly in this case - but it should illustrate the numbering concept)

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Mar 2007, 20:41

Arun
I have an idea for numbering the sangatis in your scheme. You will know if it is feasible. Why not introduce the rule that a number(not digit) means completion of an Avarta! That way, it wont spoil your scheme. Make sure the rule applies only to numbers in normal size and not as subscript.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Mar 2007, 20:45

Some points about the kannada kRti. "cittama^ngu niNDilla". i have punned on cittama^ngu. It can be split as cittu+ a^ngu (anywhere) or as citta+ mangu(monkey). There is a slight difference in pronunciation alright but the pun is easily recognisable. So it can mean the mind did not pause anyehere or that the monkey that is the intellect/mind, did not pause even for a moment.

Also, I have used N2, the bhAShAnga note at kaNNaDari and odOdu to accentuate the meaning of "confounding/blinding".

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 29 Mar 2007, 20:46

drs - that is not possible. It is sort of difficult to explain - but because the layout must align at angas across avarthanas in a page, it is better/best (as per my thinking) if the program figured out they fall.

But anyway, the scheme I came up with is sort of like this:
You are alllowed to specify a label for a "block" of notation. That label will be honored if the notation starts a row. The label can be anything (1), 1. I, (i).

This is actually not that that different from what you suggest. The main difference is you dont direct where avarthanas fall. So if yours were to say "if you encounter a number and it happens to be at the beginning/end of a row - treat like a number for sangati" - then that is pretty much what I came up with.

Arun

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Mar 2007, 20:48

The final output is fine. saw it. Numbering is fine.
Why have you written "anupallavi" at the end of the caraNa?

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 29 Mar 2007, 20:51

drshrikaanth wrote:Also, I have used N2, the bhAShAnga note at kaNNaDari and odOdu to accentuate the meaning of "confounding/blinding".

I am glad that i indeed was able to discern this

.

I dont know for sure but maybe suji and others felt a closer feel to hamIr at this place? It seemed so for me atleast - although it was fleeting. In general, it is standard and beautiful kannaDa (pun intended

.

Arun

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 29 Mar 2007, 20:53

drshrikaanth wrote:The final output is fine. saw it. Numbering is fine.
Why have you written "anupallavi" at the end of the caraNa?

thanks. When I was checking for spelling mistakes from the lyrics you posted earlier, I saw ||AP||:

ottina tamu kaNNaDari OdOdU kaNDilla ||AP||

But i also later realized maybe i shouldnt have done so and forgot to take it out!

Arun

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 29 Mar 2007, 20:57

arunk wrote:thanks. When I was checking for spelling mistakes from the lyrics you posted earlier, I saw ||AP||

So the blame is back squarely on me

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 29 Mar 2007, 21:34

arunk wrote:i notice that on the mac, the lines for 2nd speed show up "very light". They print also same way (not horrible, but could appear more prominent). On my PC they looked fine - although i didnt try printing.

Is anybody seeing similar behaviour? Do they lines seem ok on a printout? Or should they be drawn thicker?

Arun

Printout is fine on PC.
Everything looks fine now ! Thanks

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 29 Mar 2007, 22:19

Arun
give us the link to the final version!

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 29 Mar 2007, 23:21

it is http://www.sendspace.com/file/po5z2i

You can also access it at http:/arunk.freepgs.com/pannarado2.pdf but i will remove that in a day or so.

Arun

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 30 Mar 2007, 03:18

Thanks Arun!
No problem printing the pdf document!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 02 Apr 2007, 21:41

Time to move on..
The next song is
5. nA ninna dhyAnadoLiralu - kAnaDa - Mishra chapu - Purandara Dasa
very beautiful KAnaDa; short and sweet !
here is your d/l link
http://www.rogepost.com/n/2673329987
Can somebody please post the lyric?
Pl discuss....

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 02 Apr 2007, 21:59

cmlover wrote:Time to move on..
The next song is
5. nA ninna dhyAnadoLiralu - kAnaDa - Mishra chapu - Purandara Dasa
very beautiful KAnaDa; short and sweet !
here is your d/l link
http://www.rogepost.com/n/2673329987
Can somebody please post the lyric?
Pl discuss....

My post died mid way

Nice rendition DRS

. It is slightly different from the maTTu I know.

Here is the sAhitya.

pallavi:
nA ninna dhyAnadoLiralu

anupallavi:

mikka hIna mAnavarEnu mAADaballaro ranga

charaNas:

matsarisuvarella kUDi mADuvudEnu
acyuta ninadondu dayeyiralu
vAtsalya biDadiru ninna nambide dEva
kiccige iruve muttuvude kELalo ranga

dhALili kudure vaiyAradi kuNiyalu
dhULu raviya mElE musukuvude
tAlidavarige viruddha lOkadaluNTe
gALige giriyu allADa ballude ranga

kannaDiyoLagina kaNDu kaNDu kaLLa
kannavikkalavana vashavahude
ninna nambalu muddu purandara viTTala
cinnake puTavaniTTante ahudu ranga

The meaning can be found here:

http://www.dvaita.org/haridasa/song/13/159T.html

For another great rendering of the song - Look for a filmi version from BMK ( I suppose from the kannaDa film subbAshAstri) - Not the one that is under the swara rAga sudhA series. I will post a link if I find.

-Ramakriya

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 02 Apr 2007, 22:07

Thanks ramakriya!

mnsriram · Post by **mnsriram** » 05 Apr 2007, 19:19

Press coverage from Deccan Herald. The photo appears in the paper edition on page 8

http://67.18.142.206/dhpdf/epaper/svww_ ... E008100001
or
http://deccanherald.com/deccanherald/ap ... 200744.asp

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 05 Apr 2007, 19:34

Thank you Sriram! Nice picture too. I missed listening to your singing as well.

The last para of the write up with the picture has a typo. Read it without the words 'the crowd'...

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 05 Apr 2007, 19:41

Thanks Sriram. Iam happy that you and Ranjani have also been mentioned in the write-up.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 05 Apr 2007, 19:55

NICE!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 05 Apr 2007, 20:15

MNS
The first link is inoperative. Could you post the scanned page with the picture too! Thanks

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 06 Apr 2007, 00:08

Folks! here is the deccan herald news picture

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 06 Apr 2007, 00:17

Later, Dr Shrikaanth the crowd...

of course refers to us Rasikas since we are solidly with him mind and heart in this concert which incidentally was sponsored and supported by the voluntary contributions from a number of Rasikas of this Forum!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 06 Apr 2007, 03:47

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 11 Apr 2007, 01:21

Moving on!
Next is
SrI vEnkaTa girISam - suraTi - Muttuswami Dikshitar (AlApane, neraval, swaras in 2 kAlas)
Brisk aalaapana of suraTi with a very fluid neravel and svara prastaaram and an excellent accompaniment by Jyotsna.
http://www.rogepost.com/n/4336582584

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 11 Apr 2007, 01:52

Folks
With all the publicity our DRS is receving can 'THE HINDU' be far behind!
http://www.hindu.com/2007/04/11/stories ... 100200.htm

Congratulations DRS! And the picture is quite good too!
(and I especialy liked the Title
From Freud to kritis
though I am positive it is the other way around

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 11 Apr 2007, 01:57

Really nice. I am very glad to see the Hindu article. Congratulations DRS.