Sriram gangAdharan@Hamsadhwani(Adyar) on March 30th,2007

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 02 Apr 2007, 23:55

Accompanied by Satish Kumar - violin, madipAkkam's suresh and murali on Mrudangam and Ghatam respectively.

1. mahA gaNapatim (RS,S)- naaTTai - Muttuswami Dikshitar
2. brOcEvaarevaruraa(R) - kamaas - Mysore VasudevachArya
3. hmmmm....

4.arivAr yArunnai - mukhAri - GKB???
5.vasudevayani (S)- kalyAni - ThyagarAja
6.tAmasam eNswami(R,S,T) - tOdi - pApanAsam Sivan

7. rAdhA sametha krishnA (bhajan) - mishrayaman - Unknown composer
8. dikku teriyAda - rAgamAligai - bharathiyAr
9. jagajjanani sukhapAni - ratipathipriya - ghAnam krishna Iyer
10. pavamAna (managalam) - senchuruTTi - ThyagarAja

I come from a perspective where it is taken atleast 10 years to appreciate the legendary GNB, despite GNB's prime disciple vidushi MLV was one of my favourite female singer in my teenage years,where I used to like more her second half than the first half.

In all those 10 years one stigma that I felt was GNB was always little excessive in singing rAga alApanai .May be for that reason I always shyed away from the style of GNB.Coupled with the fact there was very little mention in either internet forums or print media about sriram gangAdharan, the stars simply did not align for me to go to sriram gangadharan's concert.

But with me slowly beginning to considerably like GNB nowadays (even I dont mind even taking longer alApanais of anyone) ,I felt SrirAm gangadharan is certainly a good varaprasAdam for folks like me who were not born when GNB sang and delighted a whole generation . SrirAm certainly maintains the tradition of GNB singing in a sonorous voice . Not only I discovered his style being an exact replica of GNB ,incidentally his selection of krithis were all GNB's mega hits which was certainly as I am hearing for the first time.

The nAttai was quite nice with a good round of swaram. GNB is known for his brigas .For all those who donot know about brigas they are like rapid fire embellishments in the krithis that are done in such a fast fashion that you generally donot find it either as an intrusion in rAga delineation or a show off of intellectual vidwat of the vidwan.Sriram got the brighas right in the kamAs .The next hmmmm.....was a superb rendition.

The lyrics of mukhAri appeared to be GKB's nandanAr charithram (I guess, Lji will help).The lyrics in tamizh was appealing intellectually ,but certainly did missed a lot of emotive saukhyam that mukhAri always intrinsically possesses.

The GNB brigAs that were in kamAs were again showcased in vasudevayani, some of them perfect , but quite a few of them did appear to upset our cm mother sruthi , especially when he was just completing those brighas and go back to the krithi .

I talked to one gentleman that the next is 100% tOdi and it will be mama kUleshwaram. My prediction was just half right. A very good alApanai spanning nearly 15 minutes in tOdi with a very good rendition of taamasam En swaamy followed.

All the tukkadAs were very nice with one crib that he did not sing the last 2 lines of bharathi's dikku theriyAda ending lines "enai vAzhvikka vanda aruL vAzhi".

Both the madipAkkam's played very well for the songs.Satish kumar (sishya of MSG I think), certainly had that MSG touch most of the time and there was a lot of dexterity in his play.

Overall a noticable dissapointment is that the kutcheri did not even have one neraval, but the piece de resistance was his 3rd krithi hmmm....

meena · Post by **meena** » 02 Apr 2007, 23:58

4.arivAr yArunnai - mukhAri - GKB???

Arunachalakavirayar

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 02 Apr 2007, 23:59

Here I go with my 3....... hmmmm.

I am sure few of you will get this sub main krithi and the rAgam.Let me give few hints and then possibly give the answer may be tomorrow. I am awaiting too long for the last quiz round of DRS

1. The rAga alApanai was for about 15 minutes by SrirAm gangAdharan.

2.The person next to me a GNB rasika jumped immediately and asked me if it is subhapantuvarAli.

3. I said "I dont think so". May be it is a kanakAngi or ratnAngi or vanaspathi.

4. Then he said "Yes you may be right . Could that be ganamoorthe"

5. The alApana went on. Suddenly I took a suddha madhyamam to prathi madhymam sommersault and I told the GNB rasikA that may be it is kAntamani.

6. Then that person said may be it is vijayanAgari.

I am sure the first 6 clues are not enough but you all should get the taste of what I got?. Let me just give one more clue for you to make a calculated guess.

7. This krithi is one of the trinity's composition . SrirAm gangadharan said at the end of his 26 minute rendition where he sang swarams too .SrirAm gangAdharan said "To his best of knowledge this krithi is the only krithi in that rAgam".

CAN YOU GUESS THIS TRINITY KRITHI ALONG WITH THE RAGAM. I am sure mohan, ramakriya,drs etc ... will find out.Let me see if some one gets it.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 03 Apr 2007, 00:00

Item 6 is tAmadam En swAmi.

No.9 is jagajjanani SukapANi

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 03 Apr 2007, 08:53

My wild guess is that the 'hmmm' raga is kumudakriyA. It is a janya of kamavardhini (S R1 G3 M2 D1 S-S N3 D1 M2 G3 R1 S)

There is only on composition of the trinity in this raga (ardhanareeswaram), although there are some other more recent compositions in this raga.

ksrimech · Post by **ksrimech** » 03 Apr 2007, 09:35

mohan wrote:My wild guess is that the 'hmmm' raga is kumudakriyA.

Seeing the list that it has all GNB hits, it could be dIpakam. It is also takes janyA from kAmavardhini.
Aro: s g m p d p S
Ava: S n d n p m g r s

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 03 Apr 2007, 10:07

Then it has to be kaLala nErchina . Here is the MIO link to the TVR version: http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/tqK ... As1NMvHdW/

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 03 Apr 2007, 17:55

drshrikaanth wrote:Item 6 is tAmadam En swAmi.

DRS,
As per the url http://www.karnatik.com/c1530.shtml it is taamasam En swaamy. Interestingly some times I heard it as taamadam at times taamasam when SrirAm sang ,however some vintage recording of GNB is only taamadam. Perhaps LJi will give us more resolution.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 03 Apr 2007, 18:01

Mohan + ksrimech + VK,
U have unfortunately not got it right.

Here is another clue (perhaps I am slowly narrowing down to an answer)
8. It is a thyagarAja composition.So dont break your head on few rare krithis of dikshitar or shyamasAstri.
9. To the best of my knowledge this rAga was never discussed either in rasikas.org or sangeetham.com.
10. I googled to find out more about this rAgam , but only one result was relevant to the rAgam.The answer is directed to a link in Karnatik.com.

So totally 10 clues ,I am now in a position , where I can only give the answer and not any more clues. So no more "tamaadam En Rajesh"(delay tactics from me), will reveal tomorrow the answer.

Keep guessing you are all there, I am expecting more answers than just 3.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 03 Apr 2007, 18:30

rajeshnat wrote:8. It is a thyagarAja composition.So dont break your head on few rare krithis of dikshitar or shyamasAstri.

:rolleyes:

10. I googled to find out more about this rAgam , but only one result was relevant to the rAgam.The answer is directed to a link in Karnatik.com. .

?

If it is an M2 rAga- tIvravAhini and sarijEsi vEDuka.

There is also Srutiranjani but T's kRti E dAri sancarintu is now sung in kAntAmaNi only and so that cannot be the right answer

If the rAga was M1 (as you were utterly confused between M1 and M2 and left us confused as well), then it is kalakaNThi and "SrIjanakatanaya"

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 03 Apr 2007, 20:15

Rajesh,
Your zeal is always appreciated

, the new quiz master from Nunganbakkam. Beware of the Maidstone master, though

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 03 Apr 2007, 22:17

drshrikaanth wrote:There is also Srutiranjani but T's kRti E dAri sancarintu is now sung in kAntAmaNi only and so that cannot be the right answer

Rajeshnat,

Your clues are too wide

and that's why I did not send an answer.

The only rAga I felt that could be this kriti was shrutiranjani -as indicated by DRS here.
This is based on the vivAdi feel and not exactly on the swaras- since it does not have anything common with gAnamUrti/shubhapantuvarALi etc. One might feel a closeness to vijayanAgari etc.

DRS is ruling out Srutiranjani altogether, but I am inclined more towards it

(can't do anything better since I have no clue how tIvravAhini is

)

Also, Srutiranjani has scope for elaboration. AFAIK, BMK sings it in Srutiranjani, not kAntAmaNi.

-Ramakriya

ksrimech · Post by **ksrimech** » 03 Apr 2007, 22:30

hmmm... kriti my second guess : candrajyOti - bAgAyanayyA. Another song with classic elaborate renderings from GNB school. But we have SaSi vadanA bhaktA of tyAgarAja svAmi. As DRS pointed out tIvravAhini has only one song under it and that is by tyAgarAja svAmi. There is a rAgA jIvantini with one kriti nI cittamu bAgyamU, again by tyAgarajA svAmi alone. I cannot think of any other rAgA.

kps · Post by **kps** » 03 Apr 2007, 22:50

Is it Navaneetam ?

kalgada78 · Post by **kalgada78** » 03 Apr 2007, 22:58

I heard Sriram Gangadharan singing Sruti Ranjani( E dAri Sancharintu Ra) eloborately before.
I concur with Ramprasad on this.He must have sung Sruti Ranjani.

Sarma.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 03 Apr 2007, 23:15

ramakriya wrote:DRS is ruling out Srutiranjani altogether, but I am inclined more towards it
(can't do anything better since I have no clue how tIvravAhini is )

Also, Srutiranjani has scope for elaboration. AFAIK, BMK sings it in Srutiranjani, not kAntAmaNi.

Not completely out and hence the mention in my post.

SrImaNi, navanIta, candrajyOti etc are all out as there are other compositions in them. jIvantini- possible.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 04 Apr 2007, 04:10

Rajesh,
You are creating quite a stir, here!

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 04 Apr 2007, 04:55

could it be manOranjani

hindolam · Post by **hindolam** » 04 Apr 2007, 06:13

Andolika?

ksrimech · Post by **ksrimech** » 04 Apr 2007, 06:29

manOranjani and AndOlika have non-tyAgarAja compositions. So they are ruled out.

Once again mELakartha rAgas are ruled out since muttusvAmi dikSitar, kOtISvara iyEr and bAlamuraLikRSNa will also be in the batting line up. So no kAntAmaNi, no divyamaNi, etc. Most of other rare janya rAgas around mELa 45 have two or more compositions.

So I narrow down to sarijEsi vEDuka in tivravAhini - janyA under SaDvidamArgiNI (mELA 46) as DRS has already done.
arO: s r g m p d p n s
ava: s n d p m g r g m r s

ram · Post by **ram** » 04 Apr 2007, 09:12

nAdavaraNgiNi (nrupalavala) ?

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 04 Apr 2007, 09:45

ram wrote:nAdavaraNgiNi (nrupalavala) ?

Not possible with the description Rajeshnat gives

ram · Post by **ram** » 04 Apr 2007, 10:22

Hmm .. but then at least one of his hints seem to contradict the others in the case of other kritis. His google search pointing to only karnatik.com doesn't seem to be true in the case of any other raga in which Sri Thyagaraja seems to have composed. May be I am missing something

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 04 Apr 2007, 13:08

I get more than one result for all rAgas including nAdavarAngiNi.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 04 Apr 2007, 13:34

Bindumalini ??
Ofcourse I did not use the technical clues to get here-

rajumds · Post by **rajumds** » 04 Apr 2007, 14:01

Rajesh

Answer please

annapoorne · Post by **annapoorne** » 04 Apr 2007, 14:04

Is it Leela ganu jooche in Divyamani?

ram · Post by **ram** » 04 Apr 2007, 14:17

True DRS.

I hope Rajesh doesn't shout April fool in the end

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 04 Apr 2007, 19:57

Rajesh,
Please reveal the answer!

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 04 Apr 2007, 21:55

annapoorne wrote:Is it Leela ganu jooche in Divyamani?

Possible, if it was sung in dundubhi, because there are other compositions in divyamaNi.

This song is listed both under dundubhi and divyamaNi, similar to E dAri sancharinturA, which is listed both under Srutiranjani and kAntAmaNi.

-Ramakriya

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 04 Apr 2007, 22:25

#I tried my best to give fairly right clues, though it is possible to recalibrate and expose possible ignorance of the rAgas that I and that days GNB rasika who sat next to me concluded (ranging from shubhapantuvarAli,kanakAngi, ratnAngi, gAnamoorthi, vansapathi,kAntamani and vijayanAgari).

#One clue where I said "I googled to find out more about this rAgam , but only one result was relevant to the rAgam.The answer is directed to a link in Karnatik.com" is perhaps not as misleading as few think .On that day when I did a google search on that rAgam(not on the krithi), I got just 3 links all pointing to the same new and old avatar websites karnatik.com (2)and geocities.com/promiserAni(1) which is all the same site.

"The answer is E dAri sancarintu in Srutiranjani ."

#Incidentally when I googled for the krithi as "edari sancarintu" this is what I got
http://www.google.com/search?complete=1 ... tnG=Search". You can just click and get more results with the url,I am sure you are happy with the results of google:P

Drs,
I did not know the rAga or the krithi. Only thru your post I came to know that it is sung even in KAntamani.I thought you gave the answer, but in your first post you ruling out kAntamani was a surprise

rAmakriya,
I am assuming you got the lead from DRS post, though you were the first to assert the answer. So whether you are in US standard time or Indian Standard time, I guess we all have the same greenwich mean time as a reference.

kalgada78,
Nice of you to recollect. I am assuming you recollected only after DRS and rAmakriya assertion.

So three of you got it right, bingO.

IN this process I have also found that I have to hunt 3 more rAgas nAdavaraNgiNi ,kalakaNThi,and tIvravAhini are the rAgas that I have to look out as I have not even heard them once .

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 04 Apr 2007, 22:48

Rajesh,
Have you been associating with Vijay? You are turning to be mystery man too!

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 04 Apr 2007, 23:32

rajeshnat wrote:"The answer is E dAri sancarintu in Srutiranjani ."

IN this process I have also found that I have to hunt 3 more rAgas nAdavaraNgiNi ,kalakaNThi,and tIvravAhini are the rAgas that I have to look out as I have not even heard them once .

Rajeshnat,

As I found your clues too conflicting, I did not immediately post an answer although I was leaning towards Srutiranjani when I read your post. It is a vivAdi pratimadhyama rAga that offers a scope for elaboration AND has very few few kR.tis. candrajyoti definitely do not qualify your description since it has more compositions, and is also more recognizable

Here is a track of EdAri sancharintu rA from surasa.net ; Even though it is labelled as kAntAmaNi, its is definitely in Srutiranjani. Note the missing rishabha in tha avarOhaNa sanchAras.

Look in Volume 38 of this page:
http://surasa.net/music/tyagaraja-archive/index2.php

BMK has sung nRpAlavAla (nAdavarAngiNi) on several ocassions. Assignment for seach masters

to see if any track is on the net.

Now, my next goal is to listen to the kritis in tIvravAhini! Rasikas, Come on!

-R

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 05 Apr 2007, 00:02

rajeshnat wrote:Drs,
I did not know the rAga or the krithi. Only thru your post I came to know that it is sung even in KAntamani.I thought you gave the answer, but in your first post you ruling out kAntamani was a surprise .

kAntAmaNi is certainly ruled out as there are many kRtis in this mELakarta.

kalgada78 · Post by **kalgada78** » 05 Apr 2007, 00:28

BMK has sung nRpAlavAla (nAdavarAngiNi) on several ocassions. Assignment for seach masters to see if any track is on the net.

Is it nRpAlavAla or kRpAlavAla?

meena · Post by **meena** » 05 Apr 2007, 00:34

Only 2 kritis in Tivravahini

Are re shanka chakra (lng)--Triputa--Govindacharya
Sari jesi veduka juchuta saketarama nyayama--Adi--Tyagaraja

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 05 Apr 2007, 00:37

meena wrote:Only 2 kritis in Tivravahini

Are re shanka chakra (lng)--Triputa--Govindacharya
Sari jesi veduka juchuta saketarama nyayama--Adi--Tyagaraja

Wrong- only one kRti. The first one is a lakShaNagIte. If these gItes start to qualify as "kRtis", none of T's rAgas will qualify as gOvindAcArya has composed lakShaNagItes in them

meena · Post by **meena** » 05 Apr 2007, 00:40

Wrong- only one kRti. The first one is a lakShaNagIte. If these gItes start to qualify as "kRtis", none of T's rAgas will qualify as gOvindAcArya has composed lakShaNagItes in them

Gee! it was a typo
(lng) -- lakshanagita

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 05 Apr 2007, 00:43

kalgada78 wrote:
BMK has sung nRpAlavAla (nAdavarAngiNi) on several ocassions. Assignment for seach masters to see if any track is on the net.
Is it nRpAlavAla or kRpAlavAla?

Both are found in manuscripts, it seems.

-Ramakriya

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 05 Apr 2007, 09:26

There is a shorter version of the shrutiranjani krithi by sriram gangAdharan. Here is the url http://www.sangeethapriya.org/~tvg/112. ... NGADHARAN/

Jigyaasa · Post by **Jigyaasa** » 05 Apr 2007, 14:06

I thought it could've been PAvani, the 41st MELAkartA cuz I've heard a Thyagraja kriti, LEmi delpa peddalevaru in that rAga. However, I have a rendition of the same kriti in it's predecessor, navanItam(mELA 40) ALSO, which someone above had already guessed.
And it is definitely KrupAlavAla kaladharashEkhara. From the point of view of meaning and also what Shri Balamuralikrishna sings. I have a commercial recording of the same.

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 06 Apr 2007, 05:26

The Hindu has reviewed Sriram's concert at http://www.hindu.com/fr/2007/04/06/stor ... 120300.htm

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 07 Apr 2007, 00:46

That is quite a harsh review of the Sriram gangAdharan concert, isn't it? Not one positive thing mentioned.