TANI AVARTANAMS BY DIFFERENT ARTISTES

param · Post by **param** » 29 Mar 2006, 12:29

Dear all,

Please feel free to send me links of tani avartanams by different artistes while accompanying various geniuses to my yahoo account irdgr8@yahoo.com

I need the same to analyze it and prepare my huge posting for the New Year on April 14.

Thank you very much.

Best wishes

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 29 Mar 2006, 13:09

Bravo!

Look forward to it! There is also a ton of materials at sangeethapriya from which you can pick and choose. We need the basics from you before 'we 'start collecting examples for yo!

venravi · Post by **venravi** » 29 Mar 2006, 20:48

I have a AIR Recording of Palghat Raghu Suresh Sir Thani for DKJ and Sivaraman Sir for Ramnad Krishnan. Can I upload in rapidshare and send you the link are send to your email as attachment?

param · Post by **param** » 30 Mar 2006, 00:36

Thank you venravi. You may send it to me at irdgr8@yahoo.com.

CML sir, I am also downloading the collection at sangeethapriya.

But would need more - to explain certain aspects - you get one piece - maybe after hunting for a needle in a haystack.

Thanks for your assistance

raju54 · Post by **raju54** » 26 Nov 2006, 07:37

Dear Param
here is an outstanding thani by Sri Guruvayur Dorai(mridhangam) and Sri Upendran(Kanjeera) from a concert of Sri Chitti Babu at Music Circle on 26th Oct 1969.

http://rapidshare.com/files/4842697/05- ... -Thani.mp3

mridhangam · Post by **mridhangam** » 27 Dec 2006, 17:22

There are three tani's available as of now at http://www.angelfire.com/mb/mridhangam where in you click on Maestro's Tani item on the left side. Tani by Mani Iyer and Palani.
JB

samrit · Post by **samrit** » 20 Feb 2007, 00:12

Dear Param,

I am unable to download the Tani of Guruvayoor Dorai and Tanjore Upendran.

Best Regards,
samrit

samrit · Post by **samrit** » 20 Feb 2007, 00:19

http://rapidshare.com/files/4842697/05- â€¦ -Thani.mp3

I am unable to download from this link.

param · Post by **param** » 23 Feb 2007, 06:39

Very well, here it is for you listeners

http://rapidshare.com/files/17808602/05 ... -Thani.mp3

Enjoy

sankirnam · Post by **sankirnam** » 24 Feb 2007, 03:12

I didn't know that Upendransir played kanjira... Param, are you sure that it is indeed him?

param · Post by **param** » 24 Feb 2007, 07:51

Yes - I did know that he played the kanjira - but this was limited to bhajans and unchivrithis - but when I heard this tani - without any error I can identify the kanjira as being played by Upendran mama.

I wish I had known this earlier........ Alas!!!

samrit · Post by **samrit** » 25 Feb 2007, 05:12

Param Sir, Thanks very much for the link

param · Post by **param** » 25 Feb 2007, 20:21

You are welcome. Well, all that I did was to allow another of our kin enjoy something he felt deprived.

pallavi.pr · Post by **pallavi.pr** » 18 Mar 2007, 17:16

Hi Friends,

I'm very much interested in listening to Thani avarthanas (In Adi and Chapu thalas)by various artists. Please send me the corresponding links to my email id parochially@yahoo.com

Thanku!

sankirnam · Post by **sankirnam** » 18 Mar 2007, 21:52

There are also several excellent albums you can buy, such as UKS sir's Laya-Dhara (released by Charsur in 2005) and Garland of Rhythm. Both of those have awesome thanis in Adi thalam, Rupakam, Misra Chapu, and Khanda Chapu.

Sankaran's album Laya Vinyas, and the recent Charsur release, Gaja-Leela, are also very good.

pallavi.pr · Post by **pallavi.pr** » 21 Mar 2007, 10:59

Hi,

Thanks for the information Sankeernam!
will let u know once I listen to the albums!

pallavi.pr · Post by **pallavi.pr** » 09 Apr 2007, 11:19

Hi Sankeernam,
I could get the cd's - Laya Dhara (UKS) and Gaja Leela (Shankaran).
Both are great! Thx.
Also available in the store were T.A.S. Mani's CD's on Thani's in 6 different Talas. (2 cd's)
Thiruvarur Bhakthavatsalam's "Rhythm Ecstasy"

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 09 Apr 2007, 12:03

Is Laya Dhara the CD which includes the metronome sound through out the thani? It may be distracting to some, but to me it was very useful, to help keep in sync with the thalam, especially when the UKS goes into cross rhythms and syncopation.

pallavi.pr · Post by **pallavi.pr** » 09 Apr 2007, 14:49

Yes. Thats the one.
True. Though it might be a little distracting for some, it may prove to be very helpful for some like me as well!

sankirnam · Post by **sankirnam** » 09 Apr 2007, 21:06

How can the sound of the thalameter be distracting? It is essential... and better to have something constant like that than to hear some random slaps and claps and try to deduce the thalam from those.

Also try to get Garland of Rhythm, that is also an excellent album.
Laya-Dhara is amazing, just listen to the mohara UKS sir plays in the rupakam thani with Sundarkumar... that speed and clarity, especially in that tisram, are his alone.

pallavi.pr · Post by **pallavi.pr** » 10 Apr 2007, 10:38

ha ha....slaps and claps r more distracting and troublesome!

yeah...looking for that album as well...its not avail at the moment...

mridhangam · Post by **mridhangam** » 10 Apr 2007, 11:16

Member Vasanthakokilam for your information i have played all the korvais mentioned in "Structuring the Korvais" thread with the use of Metronome only. Absolutely it is not distracting at all. More over we know how difficult it is to play with a metronome. Actually, it has been my personal experience that if i play for 10 mins or 15 mins with the use of metronome i find it physically relaxing and very refreshing as we dont have to undergo the stress of others making a tala mistake and also dont have the anticipation of others making a mistake on account of our trying out intricate laya patterns. Moreover we dont have to worry about playing intricate patterns also since metronome is constant and if you have an incessant loop in the computer nothing more you could ask for. Many of our colleague mridangists are of the opinion that if you play with the use of metronome you wont be able to do justice to real concert experience where the main artiste will be speeding up a little bit or slowing a bit down according to the convenience or according to the bhava within a particular kriti. But i have found it the other way. I am able to adapt myself to any situation because of laya control that i have achieved through the help of metronome. I have never found it a hindrance and also the sound is very pleasing. In most of the UKS earlier recordings he has used cymbals as his metronome which is all the more pleasing. Moreover, practising with the help of metronome has enriched my speed control and also the tendency to speed up during the Farans and Moharas has been considerably reduced. One more point in favour of using metronome while practising, is that while the main artiste is partially or totally dependent on mridangist for Tala control it is upto the mridangist to lead from the front when the tala goes astray (either towards the faster side or towards the slower side) to gain control of it and put it back to the main artiste where he will be comfortable. Most of the main artistes prefer accompaniments those who are not speeding their tala up. (In tamil main artiste refers "Anda Mridangist romba Odaraar" meaning that he is speeding up the tala) . Such mridangists are less in demand so to say. Mridangists who are in gud control of the laya are preferred. Moreover i have heard some mridangists (top notch) say that they speed up during tani avartanam for the sake of effect and for the convenience of the fingering felicity. This concept has been accepted. But all said and done these top notches never compromised on quality of accompaniment during a song rendition or neraval or swaras. If the main artiste desires that the tala might be speeded up or slowed down then he will indicate to the mridangist through gestures to do so and then controlling it becomes the duty of the Laya vidwan. Then it is accepted too.

Apart from all the above observations my vote goes sincerely for practising with the use of metronome which should make the mridangist prepared for any kind of situation.

J.Balaji

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 10 Apr 2007, 11:49

Balaji: Very good points. Also, with Nadhaswaram concerts, the jAlra serves the same purpose and I find it useful in paying attention to those sounds. And of course that cymbol sound is an integral piece of a nadhaswaram performance.

As I wrote before, I find that the thala meter sounds provide useful clues to help me stay in sync with the thalam. Laya Dhara of UKS was the first CD for me with the thala meter sounds. While listening to that CD, the thala meter beat sounds there are quite useful to relate what you have taught us here to what UKS is playing, thus enhancing the enjoyment of the thani. ( though I am a long way off from understanding the whole thing )

Regarding your audio uploads, the metronome sounds there are invaluable. Please continue to use them while recording for us.

sankirnam · Post by **sankirnam** » 10 Apr 2007, 20:51

Balaji, those are all very good points, I also recently bought a talameter last december from Murali Music and practice with it.

Also Garland of Rhythm is still available, I saw it as some music stores, it is only available on cassette tho, not CD. It is also there on musicindiaonline I think.

Anyway, in both of these thanis by Palghat Mani Iyer, he uses the cymbals to maintain the thalam. Quite nice.

http://rapidshare.com/files/25281561/04 ... i.mp3.html

http://rapidshare.com/files/25282194/05 ... i.mp3.html

ravi2006 · Post by **ravi2006** » 10 Apr 2007, 23:09

There is another commercial recording of Sri UKS where he plays adi tala to the accompaniment of cymbals.

It is part of the "Drums of India" series and is available in CD and cassette.