Lyrics- Kanduha Madakkariyai

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 11 Apr 2007, 20:05

Down below is the link for Sanjay concert. In Tukkada, at the end, he is singing the Virutham.. "Kanduha.."

Could any one tell me whose composition and its lyrics. Sounds very interesting Tamil lyrics.

down below is the link.

http://www.sangeethamshare.org/vignesh/ ... venkatesh/

meena · Post by **meena** » 12 Apr 2007, 09:40

Tayumanavar's - lyrics must be available @
http://www.shaivam.org/siddhanta/sta_tayumanavar.htm

annapoorne · Post by **annapoorne** » 12 Apr 2007, 13:21

கந்துக மதக்கரியை வசமா நடத்தலாங்
கரடிவெம் புலிவாயையுங்
கட்டலாம் ஒருசிங்கம் முதுகின்மேற் கொள்ளலாங்
கட்செவி எடுத்தாட்டலாம்
வெந்தழலின் இரதம்வைத் தைந்துலோ கத்தையும்
வேதித்து விற்றுண்ணலாம்
வேறொருவர் காணாமல் உலகத் துலாவலாம்
விண்ணவரை ஏவல்கொளலாஞ்
சந்ததமும் இளமையோ டிருக்கலாம் மற்றொரு
சரீரத்தி னும்புகுதலாஞ்
சலமேல் நடக்கலாங் கனல்மே லிருக்கலாந்
தன்னிகரில் சித்திபெறலாம்
சிந்தையை அடக்கியே சும்மா இருக்கின்ற
திறமரிது சத்தாகிஎன்
சித்தமிசை குடிகொண்ட அறிவான தெய்வமே
தேசோ மயானந்தமே. 8.

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 12 Apr 2007, 17:00

Meena,Annapoorne, Thank you so much for your reply... The meaning of this is stunning..

ignoramus · Post by **ignoramus** » 12 Apr 2007, 17:16

Can someone post the meaning of the virutham please? grsastrigal's post does raise one's interest.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 12 Apr 2007, 17:36

I will post the meaning in an hour or so if nobody else does in the mean time.

ignoramus · Post by **ignoramus** » 12 Apr 2007, 18:10

thank you.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 12 Apr 2007, 19:10

OK, it is not going to be exact since some words are hard to translate but let me give a try.

One can:
1. tame a huge (strong) wild elephant (kandugam means a post to tie the elephant or it could mean here a pillar to describe the size of the elephant).
2. control a bear's or tiger's roar
3. ride on the back of a lion
4. make good use of one's intuition (kaTcevi = intuition; it is my educated guess)
5. melt and transmute base metals (using red hot fire in an oven) into precious metals such as gold and sell it for food or other benefit.
6. traverse the world without anybody noticing
7. command the celestials
8. stay youthful forever
9. transmigrate into somebody else's body ( like tirumUlar did when the cowherd boy died. He got into his body, led the cows home. When he came back he could not get back into his old body because people cremated the remains--that is another story altogether)
10. walk on water
11. sit on fire
12. attain success beyond one's capability

but it is very difficult to control the wandering mind to stay calm.

Oh, effulgent Lord you occupy my mind all the time to offer me bliss.

Couple of points such as 4,and 12 may need refinement.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 12 Apr 2007, 20:00

Thanks, mahakavi.
kaTchevi can also mean a snake. Since it goes with a series of animal (zoological) names, any interpretation possible there?

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 12 Apr 2007, 20:05

Yep kaTceviyai eDuttATTalAm- it may well be possible to take a snake in ones hand and swish it around/play with it and so on.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 12 Apr 2007, 20:08

Yes, DRS--and make it dance to your tune (maguDi).

ignoramus · Post by **ignoramus** » 12 Apr 2007, 20:31

thank you mahakavi.. thanks for the help

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 12 Apr 2007, 20:34

Thanks, arasi and drs!
I wonder why my dictionary does not have an entry for kaTcevi.

Now looking at Bharathi's song titled vinAyagar nAnmaNi mAlai, he writes, "uTcevi tiRakkum, ahakkaN oLitarum....kaTcevi tannaik kaiyilE eDukkalam....". When I was guessing the meaning the "uTcevi tiRakkalam ahakkaN oLitarum" flashed across my mind and I fell victim to that trap. I thought kaTcevi could be split into kaN + cevi.

Perhaps there is an implication there that the snake "listens" through its eyes for it to be named kaTcevi!

Now explain that line "tannigaril siddi peRalAm" for me. I was not sure of what I wrote.

Also what about item #3 about the lion. Could it also mean "one can carry a lion on your back" (mudugin mERkoLLalAm)?

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 12 Apr 2007, 20:39

tannigarillA(da) siddhi?
Your guess about the lion makes sense.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 12 Apr 2007, 20:45

mahakavi wrote:I thought kaTcevi could be split into kaN + cevi.

Perhaps there is an implication there that the snake "listens" through its eyes for it to be named kaTcevi!

That is correct. "kaNNE seviyAgavum seyalpaDuvadAl kaTcevi", so the belief is.

Now explain that line "tannigaril siddi peRalAm" for me. I was not sure of what I wrote.

tan nigar il siddhi. here the epithet "matchless" applies to siddhi rather than the person, perhaps refers to the aShTasiddhi.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 12 Apr 2007, 20:47

Yes- "tie up a lion and carry it over ones back"-- sounds like an impossible task and makes perfect sense in this context.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 12 Apr 2007, 20:52

My! Here we go 'conversing' as Sub teaches, DRS does his rounds, and it is time for me to go stir the pot...

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 12 Apr 2007, 20:59

...if it is soup I am ready to come with two empty bowls... since it is lunchtime!!!!!!!!!!

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 13 Apr 2007, 00:34

bhavati bhikSAm dEhi!

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 13 Apr 2007, 01:46

No! it is not a begging bowl, but fine china!
It is a case of " I will bring two fine china bowls, you provide the soup, let us both enjoy the soup" while discussing the beauty of poetry and music!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 13 Apr 2007, 03:36

Wish I had obliged--in pretty china too! It is great that we can communicate instantly, but serving soup? Ah, a remote possibility
at present. If we get together, yes. It is a 'freezing rain' day here and I dream of the delicious thovvE (call it thick soup) Sahana served in Maidstone...

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 13 Apr 2007, 03:44

Two sayings come to mind. Tying up the lion and carrying it on one's back: kokku thalaiyil veNNai vaiththu adaip piDippudu pOl (an easy way to catch a stork is to put a pat of butter on its head and while it melts into its eyes blinding it, catch it).

mahakavi's 'Will bring two bowls and we can both have soup reminds me of: nI aval koNDU vA, nAn umi koNDu varEn, iruvarum Udi Udith thinnalAm (You bring the flaked rice, I would bring chaff for my share, and we can both blow the chaffaway and enjoy them)...

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 13 Apr 2007, 03:53

arasi wrote:mahakavi's 'Will bring two bowls and we can both have soup reminds me of: nI aval koNDU vA, nAn umi koNDu varEn, iruvarum Udi Udith thingalAm...

Eating aval as is (like eating shelled walnuts or peanuts shelled and skinned) is not fun.
I like to get raw peanuts (available in the south here in NC and Georgia as well), microwave them for a minute or so, remove the steaming peanuts, crack open the shells and keep on eating. One of the palatable pleasures indeed! As for the aval too, better to mix it with umi (husk), then winnow it well and then eat the aval perhaps with a bite of a piece of coconut and/or vellam(jaggery). Another pleasure! This way we do some labor and then enjoy the fruit of the labor. Right?

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 13 Apr 2007, 04:09

arasi wrote:It is a 'freezing rain' day here and I dream of the delicious thovvE (call it thick soup) Sahana served in Maidstone...

You are welcome anytime for another helping. Pruthvi would be delighted to see ajji, gima

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 13 Apr 2007, 08:26

Thanks for all your contibution. I have taken enough for my bowl !!! The beauty of this Vridham is its strong dose. Some of his phrases are impossible, some we have heard and some are not viz.

Possible

1) Taming of the Elephant (Can see in Kerala with more elephants.- It went opposite in Kerala two days ago !!!!!)
2) Tieing the bear and Tiger (saw plenty in National Geo)
3) keep a dead Lion....on your back (Not a big deal. We will know from Salman Khan like poachers how to kill a Lion !!!!
4) "Magudi-Snake"--We have seen plenty..
5) Panchaulogam-We can see all our "Porkollars (tamil) do that. Ulogam, here, means Gold.

Not possible-

1) Go around the world without noticing
2) Kanal mel irukkalam (stay on fire). It is possible to walk on Fire (Theemidhi, in Tamil)
3) Stay youthful for ever.

Only heard

1) Command Celestial bodies.. For Ex: Ravana controlled all universe. Mahabali controlled the entire Universe.
2) Tranmigrate into another body. Mahakavi is right. Adishankara is another example.. In Tamil "Koodu vittu Koodu paivadhu"
3) Walk on the water- Padmabhadhar,, Shishya of Adhishankara. We all know the story.
4) Thannigaril (la) Siddhi... So many Rishis...We can even take "Pariikshit Maharaja" Ex. after 7 days of Srimath Bhagavatham from Saint Sukar, he moved straight to sidhi..

Stay youthful for ever- might come on 3 also, because we can see Rishis (like Vashistar) coming almost in all Puranas.. It means he stayed forever (may be youthful may be old man) but he stayed...

Thayumanavar concludes.....You can do anything of the above in the world (in my opinion, P, NP, only heard) but you can not control your mind..........NOT AT ALL. He hits you straight.. Oophs.

That is why I said in my first reply-STUNNING.. Again I may be wrong in some of my comments. I get more pleasure in reading all your comments than give mine..

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 13 Apr 2007, 08:44

I should quote another example from Thiuarutpa of Thyumanavar as told by Pulavar Keeran.
"Aaasaikkor Alavillai,
Akilamellam Katti Aalinun
Kadal meedhu Aanai Selave Ninaivar.

ஆசைக்கோ ரளவில்லை அகிலமெல் லாங்கட்டி
ஆளினுங் கடல்மீதிலே
ஆனைசெல வேநினைவர்

Expln goes like this (as told by Pulavar Keeran in Direct speech).

"Iam giving speech on Ramayanam, Bharatham, Kandha puranam and Peria puranam and this town people are finding very difficult to catch me, since Iam travelling extensively. So, they decided to get me Plot 60x60 and make me to stay permanently. After a year, when they come and ask me-"Are you happy". Will I say "yes" ? No, I will not say. But Ok sir, Iam happyyyyyyyyy of your plot. but there is 200 sq ft Purambokku Land (Not used), adjacent to my plot... Whose is that ? can I take ?

Then the Indian Government, on the recommendation of the town public (???) went to UN for procuring all the unused Land in the WHOLE WORLD for me and register it in a stamp paper and give it to me saying that we have given all the land are u happy ? and I will say. .........Ok sir..adhellam Ok... who will possess the Ocean (Kadal yarukku sir sondham) ??????????

vasya10 · Post by **vasya10** » 13 Apr 2007, 08:46

To me the "punch line" is wonderful -

'sindayai adakkiyE summa irukkinra"

i always thought "summa" is a modern colloquial word, its kinda nice to see it in a scholarly composition !

One of those words so hard to translate into non-Indian languages (in fact I cant even translate to hindi -- a close would be 'chupke raho' ?)

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 13 Apr 2007, 19:47

summA has several meanings like accA in Hindi depending on the context. It is more or less a watchword/filler if you will.

Some meanings for summA:
1. Just like that (summAttAn vandEn)
2. free (summA kuDuttAn)
3. very often (if you double the word: summA summA tondaravu seyyAdE; also summA summA varumO sugam song)
4. idle talk/gratis remark (summA sollappaDadu)
5. stay silent (summA iru)

maybe more....

and then there is summADu (turban).... just kidding!

Rajani · Post by **Rajani** » 13 Apr 2007, 22:20

You could add

6. Untruthfully ( summa sollaran, nambAde)
7. Being idle ( vElai illama summa irukkan)

Rajani · Post by **Rajani** » 13 Apr 2007, 22:23

The phrase "summA iru sollaRa" appears in Kandar Anubhooti, as the upadesam given by the Lord to the poet.

annapoorne · Post by **annapoorne** » 13 Apr 2007, 23:09

Sanjay's rendering of Ghanam Krishanayyer's "Summa Summa varuguma sugam" in Atana

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 13 Apr 2007, 23:26

Isn't summne in kannada same as summa in thamizh ?

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 14 Apr 2007, 00:04

Yes, Sumne in Kannada is same as Summa...
Continuing the Virutham, Sanjay sings "Angai Kodumalar". Searching in Google, I see it is Thiruppugazh. But I searched in Kaumaaram.com and I could not find. My friend says it is not Thiruppugazh as it neither ends with Perumale and nor mentions Muruga name instead praises Shiva and ends with Dakshinamoorthy.

Again, Please help me whose is this and the lyrics..

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 14 Apr 2007, 01:17

grsastrigal:
There are some general verses in tiruppugazh called "podup pAdalgaL". This "angai kodumalar" could be there. Let me take a look if I can find it.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 15 Apr 2007, 23:12

I too looked at kaumaram.com scanning the songs in the alphabetical order. There is no "angai kodumalar" start. There is one "angai menkuzhal" which ends with perumALE.
Obviously "angai kodumalar" is not a tiruppugazh song.

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 16 Apr 2007, 07:47

Thanks so much Mahakavi. I think I have spoiled your weekend. Ram, who had commented Sanjay's concert at Karpagam Gardens - Adyar, should be able to throw some info about this. He also mentioned in his concert details that it is Tiruppugazh..

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 29 Apr 2007, 23:50

I got it at last. It is again Thiruvarutpa only.. Coming under the sub-division of "Chinmayanandham"

I enquired Sri. Omkaranandha swamiji who visited for giving Upanyasam in Tamil on Bhagavath geetha He told me and later, found it in Shaivam.org.

Great to know,, To know one Guru, it has to come from another Guru .... Thanks once again for Mahakavi's efforts and other's contribution.

kutty · Post by **kutty** » 12 Jun 2007, 19:19

I observe while scanning through various discussions in this forum, there are certain members who go off the track and forget the main issue. Talking something irrelvant outside or at home is different to discussing in a forum of this kind where what we discuss must be useful, to the point and without wastage of time, in useless discussion in the name of humour, of other members coming in quest of Karnatic Music, . Let us exhibit our maturity in discussion, avoiding childish talks, use our prowess in elucidating but not correcting the original saahithyam unless there is a printing mistake and discuss a topic with clarity and confidence only if we have a deep knowledge in what is being sought. This is without offence to anyone.

Coming to the point: Mahakavi had doubt about the use of lion in the poem as well as the 12th line of his meaning. What I have been taught by my father about this is:

"Oru shingam mudhugin me'l koLLalaam" - One can ride on a lion's back
"Thannigaril sidhdhi peRalaam"- Obtain unparallel power of the 8 sidhdhis.

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 12 Jun 2007, 23:06

i m told, this viruttam was one of Viswa's favourites

vinayo · Post by **vinayo** » 13 Jun 2007, 04:06

Nothing wrong with the humour if it free flowing. Donâ€™t we welcome anecdotes said in lighter vein even during serious discourses on Ramayana, Bhagavatham, etc.
Ironically the incessent wandering of the mind is what the great saint is addressing.

kutty · Post by **kutty** » 13 Jun 2007, 07:42

vinayo

Nothing wrong with the humour if it free flowing. Don’t we welcome anecdotes said in lighter vein even during serious discourses on Ramayana, Bhagavatham, etc.
Ironically the incessent wandering of the mind is what the great saint is addressing.

Yes, without humour, life is bland and boring. But it should be relevant to the flow of the subject as they do while in Kathaakaalakshepam where the performer ensures that he/she comes back to the main issue after that. That's what I have mentioned. Whatever we discuss must be not only relevant but also should not distract us from the main query!

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 13 Jun 2007, 20:49

Kutty- If you refer my post as "unnecessary and unwanted", Iam sorry and will try to be more focussed on the subject.

kutty · Post by **kutty** » 14 Jun 2007, 00:38

grsastrigal

Kutty- If you refer my post as "unnecessary and unwanted", Iam sorry and will try to be more focussed on the subject.

No not at all! I never meant you. If I had created this impression in you, I regret very much!! I did not criticise anyone in particular and just wanted to make the forum more useful to all of us, after seeing the general trend of drifting away from the main topic. Pl do not feel sorry and continue with your valuable contribution.

ramya135 · Post by **ramya135** » 06 Mar 2019, 19:30

annapoorne wrote: ↑13 Apr 2007, 23:09 Sanjay's rendering of Ghanam Krishanayyer's "Summa Summa varuguma sugam" in Atana

Can somebody help me with this Padam " Summa Summa varuguma sugam " of Ghanam krishna Iyer translation in English.
Thank You..

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 06 Mar 2019, 20:23

Lakshmanji, can you please post the lyrics for this padam (summA summA varugumA...)?

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 06 Mar 2019, 21:00

summA summA varugumA. rAgA: aThANA. Adi tALA. Ghanam Krishna Iyer.

P: summA summA varugumA sukham summA summA varugumA sukham
A: AmmammA-venrirundAvadenna ANDavanait-terindu pAr immAttiram
nI seidAl saundararAjarukku irangum amOham vaibhOgam tiruvaDi
C: andi nEram tanil mundikkoL peNgaL kaNNil sandikkAmalE nI vandu vandu ninrAl
manda mArutamum anda vELai nErum anda nanda kumAranai nayandu vaNangAmalE

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 07 Mar 2019, 22:53

Here's my effort at translating it.....
This padam reminds me of some lines from a song in Sound of Music - "nothing comes from nothing, nothing ever could, so somewhere in my youth or childhood....."

pallavi
summA summA varugumA sug(kh)am
summA summA varugumA sug(kh)am
Can happiness (sugam) ever come/be achieved (varugumA) for free (summA summA) [1], (i.e., without putting the appropriate effort)?

anupallavi
ammammA-venR(u)irund(u)Avad(u)enna
ANDavanait-terindu pAr
immAttiram nI seidAl saundara
rAjarkku irangum amOham vaibhOgam tiruvaDi (summA summA...)
What (enna) (do you think) is going to (Avadu) (happen if you) exist (irundu) without putting in any effort (ammammA-venRu)? Know (terindu) (your) Lord (ANDAvanai), and look (pAr) (carefully). If you (nI) behave (seidAl) in this fashion (immAttiram), it will result in Lord Saundararajan (saundararAjarkku) becoming aggrieved (irangum). (Can) plenty/wealth (amhOham), a magnificent life (vaibhOgam), and (the shelter of his) divine feet (tiruvaDi)(be achieved without putting in the appropriate effort)?

caraNam
andi nErantannil mundikkoL peNgaL kaNNil
sandikkAmalE nI vandu vandu ninRAl
manda mArutamum anda vELai nErum anda
nanda kumAranai nayandu vaNangAmalE (summA summA varugumA...)
If you (nI) always appear/come (vandu vandu) and stand (ninRAl) (here) at the time (nEramtannil) of twilight (andi), after having avoided (sandikkAmalE) the eyes (kaNNil) of the swelling crowd (mundikkoL) of women (peNgaL), a soft (manda) breeze (mArutam) will spring up (nErum) [2] at that (anda) time (vELai). (Can happiness be achieved) without being agreeable/complimentary/respectful (nayandu) to, and paying obeisance to (vaNangAmalE) to that (anda) son (kumAranai) of nanda?

[1] summA has many meanings, as other posters have already explained, including 'for free' - in this context the 'payment' is in the form of appropriate effort...
[2] nErum literally means will happen

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