Manda sudha rani@taramani(concert #5) on July 28th,2007

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It is time for our concert no #5.We keep hearing there are different pockets where patronage of Carnatic Music has happened over centuries .Here is an artist from one of those pockets vizianagaram in AP, who has graciously accepted to perform for all .The artist is Smt Manda sudha Rani. When I get the list of accompaniment artists I will do post them later.Right now it is Smt Manda Sudha Rani & party.

When : Saturday ,July 28th ,2007

Where : Institute of Mathematical Sciences Auditorium, Taramani,chennai.

Directions: http://www.imsc.res.in/Info/gettinghere.html After you read the above url for directions, in case you are driving from madhyakailAsh please make sure that after you take a U turn ,you have to take the service lane.

Time : 6:00 pm sharp , concert start time.

Suggested Time to join: anytime between 5:00 to 5:30 pm is the best time to chat with artists and rasikas.

Please note this concert #5 , we are making a big leap from holding concerts at homes to an auditorium. A million thanks to :cool: . We welcome you all. There is a brief profile about the artist in the url http://www.mandasudharani.com/
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The accompanists for the concert are Komanduri Venkata Krishna in violin and Parupalli S. Phalgun – Mridangam. Their brief profiles are

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Musical career of Komanduri Venkata Krishna
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Born in the year 1979, Krishna is the son and disciple of eminent Vocalist and Violinist Sri Komanduri Seshadri. HE started his initial lessons from his father at the age of 8 and also gave his first performance at the age of 8.

Having completed his graduation in Commerce, Krishna completed his post graduation in Music from the PS Telugu University. With a double diploma in Vocal and Violin, he is also well versed in playing the Veena,thus completing a certificate course in veena playing also.

Krishna has to his credit several school and college competition prizes of which District Youth Services Award by AP Government in1998, All India Radio Prizein the year 1999 and Gold Medal for Inter University Competition in the year 2002 are notable.

Krishna is one of the few artistes to have more than one grade in the All India Radio. He has an ‘A’ Grade for Violin Trio(with his father and elder brother Komanduri Anantha Sowirajan), ‘B’ Grade in Vocal and ‘A’ Grade in Violin Solo.

He is one of the much sought after Violinist and has played several Concerts and Recordings. He has accompanied veterans like Sarvasris Padma Vibhushan
Dr. M. Balamurali Krishna, Sangitha Kalanidhi Nedunuri Krishnamurthy, Sangitha Mahamahopadhyaya Nookala Chinna Satyanarayana, Padma Bhushan T N Seshagopalan,Prapancham Sitaram, Hyderabad Brothers, Hyderabad Sisters, G. Balakrishna Prasad and Malladi Brothers.

His concert tours include Kenya and Uganda for Parupalli Ranganath in 2002 and U S A For Sri P.V.Seshaiah Sastri in 2004.His teaching career started in 1994 and presently he is work as Violing Lecturer in Sri Venkateswara College of Music and Dance. Tirupati

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Musical career of Parupalli S. Phalgun – Mridangam:
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An extremely talented and dynamic youngster, Phalgun was trained from the age of five by the Late Radhakrishna Raju and later under his son M.L.N.Raju of AIR Vijayawada. He hails from a family of great musicians such as Parupalli Ramakrishnaiah Pantulu, the guru of vocal Maestro M. BalamuraliKrishna. He has accompanied many stalwarts in the field of South Indian music and he is currently on the faculty of The Govt. Music College,Vijayawada. A recipient of many awards, Phalgun is an A grade artist of the All India Radio and Television.

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Post by mohan »

Sri Phalgun has recently been touring the world with Flute Shashank.

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Post by mohan »

rajeshnat wrote:His concert tours include Kenya and Uganda for Parupalli Ranganath in 2002.
Surely this is worth a mention in the Carnatic music in unusual places. I wonder how many other Carnatic artistes have the distinction of performing in East Africa. I was born in Uganda and never heard of any musicians touring there!

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Post by kalgada78 »

Born in the year 1979, Krishna is the son and disciple of eminent Vocalist and Violinist Sri Komanduri Seshadri.
He is a 1978 born.
he is also well versed in playing the Veena,thus completing a certificate course in veena playing also.
Krishna plays Mridangam too. He is a very gifted and humble artist.
Looking forward to hearing the concert.

Sarma.

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Post by rajeshnat »

All the fellow FA/MA ,FB/MB and MC/FC's,
The concert is scheduled tomorrow Saturday @ 5pm onwards. This is a gentle remainder for all of you to participate.

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Post by cmlover »

I am with you all in spirits! It will be a great concert! Pl enjoy, take full notes/pictures too and share it with all of us!

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Post by rshankar »

CML,
I guess you meant 'spirit' and not the vapors of 'spirits'! :D

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Post by cmlover »

Being a teetotaler all my life, there is no distinction. But then I will miss the intoxication of Manda, one of my highly respected youngster!

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Post by Nick H »

There is a slight error in the Getting there link given above (a dot at the end of the url, I think).

Try: http://www.imsc.res.in/Info/gettinghere.html

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Post by rrao13 »

can some one post review of this concert. thanks.

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Post by Nick H »

Not a review, but a layman's response...

The concert, for me, took off with the RTP, and I could have done with all three parts of that being longer (OK, all four, including the thani).

I could have done with more heavy-weight stuff in the first part of the concert. It was revealed at the end that she had a sore throat; had she been in good health I think we might have seen much, much more, both in terms of duration and content.

The RTP was rhythmically difficult, being in adi talam, samum edipu (ok so far...) khanda nadai --- but, although the talam was put in khanda nadai throughout the cycle, the laghu (first four beats) was in chatusra nadai.

This is the sort of thing that, trying to understand it makes my brain hurt! Ram, after the concert, showed how easy it is to put khanda nadai, and say chatusra. Easy for him! ;) To be honest, I think I might have been able to do it (but only first speed) when I was regularly in mridangam class; but not now.

This was a concert in which the three musicians seemed completely in touch with oneanother. I was particularly impressed with Phalgun's mridangam playing, and very interested to see that he uses a fingering technique that my guruji and only a very few other mridangists emply --- using the second finger, rather than the ring finger to touch the edge of the black when playing nam and dhin). He not only met the challenge of the difficult talam, but played such that I could appreciate the musical beauty without having intellectual understanding. I do think this is important in mridangam: we are not all mathematicians. I hope to see him play again soon.

I was happy to hear a thillana at the end of the concert too: another of those items which, to me, gives a concert completeness, but is often missed out. An old favourite from BMK too.

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Post by sbala »

nick H wrote:I was particularly impressed with Phalgun's mridangam playing, and very interested to see that he uses a fingering technique that my guruji and only a very few other mridangists emply --- using the second finger, rather than the ring finger to touch the edge of the black when playing nam and dhin).
I think mridangam artistes belonging to the Pudukottai school use the middle finger while the Thanjavur school uses the ring finger for nam. Balaji Sir would be able to throw more light on this.

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Post by sbala »

nick H wrote:The RTP was rhythmically difficult, being in adi talam, samum edipu (ok so far...) khanda nadai --- but, although the talam was put in khanda nadai throughout the cycle, the laghu (first four beats) was in chatusra nadai.
Does it then become 36 units? 4*4+4*5=36. I think most percussionists would be able to do this. I don't think many rasikas can do it. Ram is perhaps in a different league

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Post by uday_shankar »

sbala wrote:Does it then become 36 units? 4*4+4*5=36. I think most percussionists would be able to do this. I don't think many rasikas can do it. Ram is perhaps in a different league
No.

I think Nick meant...: The total number of units is 8*5 = 40. The variation is that the 4*5 (=20) units of the first half of the tala are split into 5 groups of 4 (i.e., you sing/play tha-ka-dhi-mi five times while you clap tha-ka-tha-ki-ta four times). The second half is straightforward khanda nadai. Double this for second speed, 2 kalai, etc..

I'm sorry I couldn't make it to the concert. Had to be somewhere else at the same time.
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Post by sbala »

Ok. It is then Khanda nadai with chaturasra breaks. Isn't this done regularly?
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Post by ram »

The structure of the pallavi and the tALam was as follows:

* Take normal Adi tALam. First four beats comprise the lagu and the next 4 comprise the two drutams.
* While putting tALam, put kanDa chApu for each of the 8 beats. You get Adi tALam kanDa gati. So each beat can be sung like "tha ka tha ki Ta"
* While singing, for each of the first four kanDa chApu like beats (of the lagu portion), don't sing "tha ka tha ki Ta" but sing "tha ka dhi mi". That is while putting tALam, put 5 (tha ka tha ki Ta) for each beat but while singing, sing only 4 (tha ka dhi mi) to span the 5 you are putting with hand.
* While singing, for the two dhrutams, sing tha ka tha ki Ta (5) similar to the way you are putting using your hand

So basically you try to sing 4 within 5 in the lagu portion and 5 within 5 during the two drutams.


According to what I noted down, structure of the pallavi was as follows .... can be verified once we get the recording:

Pallavi line: dEvI shrI mahAtripurasundarI , dIna dayApari jagadIshwari


Structure
:
1) Lagu portion
dE vI shrI ma hA tri pu ra su n da
2 2 2 1 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 = total of 16 (4x4) while singing spanning over 20 (5x4) of tALam

2) 2 Drutams portion:
rI + gap dI na da yA pa ri ja ga dIsh wa ri
5 2 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 = total of 20(5x4) while singing spanning over 20 (5x4) of tALam

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Post by uday_shankar »

sbala

I was wrong. Please disregard my post (#15).

Thanks ram.

That's a challenging pallavi alright. I can't even get the aksharam's right.

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Post by uday_shankar »

The concurrent khanda/chaturashra pallavi is fun, in a masochistic sort of way. I've never tried to think like that before but it's actually turning out to be within reach after a little practice. Starting slow helps.

Now I think I won't be able to get it out of my head for a few days :-). What a distraction, I'm so busy.

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Post by cmlover »

Waititng to see it in action! Trust the videographer captured the tALam putting sufficiently close. A good exercise for our ears and eyes and of course the minds too!

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Post by arasi »

Nick,
Thanks for the review (not a layman's response).

Ram,
Great to see your input.
Hope the song list appears too, and the pictures...

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Post by Nick H »

Yes, sbala, this fingering and some of compositions that naturally go with it, comes from PSP, but it is very far from being a split between the two schools. Even most PSP-school mridangists do not use it, or do a switch when it happens to suit.

You will, for instance, see Trichy Sankeran using the more normal fingering, but switching to second-finger for fast tanatanatana passages using first and third finger. Phalgun did not, as far as I noticed, use this particular fingering. Guruvayur Dorai uses only the ring-finger fingering. I know that Balaji is familiar with both schools (and demonstrates the fingering on his site, if anyone is puzzled) , I haven't seen him play often enough to know how he uses his fingers in concert.

Neyvali Venkatesh is another classmate of my guruji, but I think he uses third-finger.

Our very own Ram is studying both techniques.

In the end, it is for the comfort and sound preferences of each artist to choose. Phalgun told me he had not begun with this style, but changed to it.

In terms of mridangists that play this way exclusively, I think I have only seen three. I do not remember the name of the third.

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Post by Nick H »

Ram, thank you for your very clear description of the pallavi talam.

You'll be a great mridangam teacher! :)

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Post by sbala »

Nick,
You are probably right. OTOH, most of the mridangam artistes might be labeled as one school but would have probably picked up aspects from the other school and blended it.

Is Ram a budding mridangist?

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Post by rbharath »

That was an amazing concert. Smt Sudharani, as usual, was very refreshing in all her alapanais and the pallavi, well, i dint expect something simpler from her.

The AlApanais of AndhOLikA, tODi and kalyANi were all having nice refreshing phrases. The svarams and korappu in multiple naDais, which she is usually very conversant with, were all done very well.

a concert to remember for sometime...

sArangA varNam
srI gaNanAtam bhajarE
nirvadi sukhadA
rAga sudhA rasa (RS)
vinanAsakuni
koluvamArE gAdA (RNS)
bhOgindra sAyinam
RTP - kalyANi
rA rA chinnanna - chenjuruTTi
kadanakuthukalam tillAnA
pavamAna

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Post by mridhangam »

Nick H and sbala .. even if you watch closely UKS he also shifts fingers to suit the convenience. What i hv found in experience .. the middle finger gives more grip while playing faster patterns .. and also while alternating between Dhi and other Nam syllables it is easier to switch between middle finger to dhi than ring finger to dhi ... all said and done it is just the practice. with ring finger slower patterns are played with much felicity and with middle finger faster phrases are played with felicity. more over while using ring finger the gap is more allowing more air to flow thru the fingers on to the instrument and vice versa and hence more naadham could be produced. that is y slower patterns that require emanation of naadha .. requires the use of middle finger for the air to flow and softer patterns cn be easily played with the use of ring finger fixing for nam. More than the technicalities of fingering it is the convenience that matters, practice that matters and also the naada that is produced matters. it is according to the practice of the aritiste and his own ease.

J.Balaji

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Already typed yesterday , may have to repeat the song list now again....

1. nAda mOdi (varnam) - sArangA - Tiruvottiyur thyagarAjar
2. shree gaNanaatham - eesamanOhari - MD
3. niravati sukada - ravichandrikaa - T

4. raaga sudhaarasa(R,S) - aandOLikaa - T
5. vina naashakoni - prataapavaraaLi - T
6. koluvamare gada(R,N,S) - tODi - T
neraval at " jEkoni guNamula jeluvonda bADacu"

7. bhOgeenDra shaayinam - kuntala varaaLi - ST
8A. RTP in kalyAni
The pallavi line was "devi shree mahA tripurasundari dheena dayA pari jagadeeshwari"
8B. tani

9A. rArA chinnanA - sloKham or viruththam (how do you call it if sung in telegu??) - annamAcharya
9B. rArA chinnanA (krithi rendition) - shenjuruTTi - annamAcharya
10. thillAnA - kAthanakuthoohalam - BMK
11. pavamAna (mangalam) - sowrAshtram - T

Every musician does have a bad throat ,the effects of this musician's throat did stay noticable for almost most of the first half of the concert .But smt sudharAni did give a good concert despite her sore throat in the first half.

Smt Sudharani's throat settled well from kalyAni alApana onwards . The highlight for me was her excellent tAnam in kalyAni with nice breath control and with a significant tinge of hindustAni style .Her preceding alApana and swaras in tOdi was quite good ,but definitely her neraval was not that great. Her last emotive rendition of annamAcharya slokham in shenjuruTTi (not navaroz as she had mentioned )was very good.

Liked phalgun's play for the songs .His tani was very different in terms of hearing quite rare patterns .The violinist krishna gave a very good support.

Special Thanks to kalgada sarena who sponsored the concert and also to Dr sharma of IITM and the cultural society of Institute of Mathematical Sciences and their seceretary. This concert was a joint collaboration effort,the gel was none other than coolkarni.
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Thanks Rajesh!
What is that something that I find missing here ?
No! Not spirits :)

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Post by rbharath »

rajeshnat wrote:6. koluvamare gada(R,N,S) - tODi - T
neraval at " jEkoni guNamula jeluvonda bADacu"
neraval was done as 'tambura jEkoni guNamula jeluvonda bADacu'

also, i forgot to mention the beautiful graha bedham to mOhanam during the kalyANi AlApanai and tAnam

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The sAranga varnam isn't it -inta mODi ?

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1. nAda mOdi (varnam) - sArangA - Tiruvottiyur thyagarAjar
intha mOdi (Varnam) -sArangA - Adi - Tiruvottiyur Thyagayya
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Post by Nick H »

Balaji, thank you for your "view from the mridangist's fingers"!

... I don't think I've been close enough to UKS's fingers yet to observe. Anyway he tends to move them too fast for my eyes, let alone my brain, to follow.

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Post by srkris »

Posts between #33 & #34 of this thread have been moved to the Graha/Sruti Bhedam thread -- http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=633&p=6 and they span the numbers from #141 to #173 there.

EDIT: A few more related posts were moved to the Graha/Sruti Bhedam thread.

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Post by cmlover »

Ramraj/Others

I have moved the discussion on raga moods to the technical section under a new topic 'Raga Moods'.
http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=55756#p55756
Discussions can continue there without distracting this thread.

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Post by ram »

Recording of Vid Manda Sudha Rani's concert available for our listening pleasure:

http://rapidshare.com/files/47295464/01 ... _Sarma.mp3
http://rapidshare.com/files/47295465/02 ... aranga.mp3
http://rapidshare.com/files/47295466/03 ... nohari.mp3
http://rapidshare.com/files/47295468/04 ... ndrika.mp3
http://rapidshare.com/files/47295469/05 ... dolika.mp3
http://rapidshare.com/files/47295471/06 ... varali.mp3
http://rapidshare.com/files/47295474/07 ... a-Todi.mp3
http://rapidshare.com/files/47295475/08 ... varali.mp3
http://rapidshare.com/files/47308851/09-RTP-Kalyani.mp3
http://rapidshare.com/files/47308853/10 ... halgun.mp3
http://rapidshare.com/files/47308855/11 ... Navroz.mp3
http://rapidshare.com/files/47308857/12 ... oohala.mp3


Happy listening !!!!

MOD note: As per request from the artist, please do not upload the concert to any permanent upload places. If these links expire, it is OK to upload them again to such temporary places ( rapidshare, megaupload, sendspace etc. ) . If you do so, please post the links in this thread and no where else. Thanks for your cooperation and for respecting the wishes of the artists.

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Post by cmlover »

Many many thanks Ram!
This is your best review :) letting the concert speaks for itself! Just started listening! It is just great! Manda steals our heart with her voice. Thanks again to Sarma!
Now where is Rajesh with his camera :)

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Post by Music »

Some reason, I am not able to download any one of the songs. I get a message saying "You have reached the download-limit for free-users". Never happened before for recently posted files. Can these songs be downloaded only if we have an account?

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You can d/l only one at a time and wait for 2 hrs before you can d/l the next. That is the limitation of the free d/l in rapidshare :(

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Post by Music »

Thanks, cmlover. I have been trying all through last week and managed to download two of the items - the varnam and the RTP. they were superb, well worth the wait. Sometimes there is a message that says you need to wait for 393 mins to download and that is way beyond the threshold of my patience :(. Looks like Rapidshare service levels have changed.
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Post by s_hari »

Great pallavi --- Waiting for the audio!!

-hari

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I am listening to the pallavi now! Great and amazing... I will download entire concert and upload to sangeethapriya, if there is no objection from artist or organizers!. It will be easy to download for everyone, and no expiry compared to rapidshare

=hari

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

Hari: Please do not to upload to any forum/sites. If we get explicit permission and approval from the organizers and the artists, we will let you know here. Thanks.

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Post by abitakucalamba »

hi,

as im not using my own computer and wont be able to do so for the next month or so, i cannot download the files posted here. But i'm very curious to know how neraval, especially mel kalam neraval, was performed for this pallavi. Would be greatful if someone could explain...

thank you
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abitakucalamba wrote:hi,

as im not using my own computer and wont be able to do so for the next month or so, i cannot download the files posted here. But i'm very curious to know how neraval, especially mel kalam neraval, was performed for this pallavi. Would be greatful if someone could explain...

thank you
Nereval was done just to illustrate how it could be executed; should say,it was not overdone.
The format of the pallavi is that the poorvangam is in Chaturasra Gati and the Uttarangam is in the Khanda Gati. Looking at the Poorvangam,the format is :
||de;vi;|sri;ma ha | ; tri pu | ra sun; da| ri

Smt.Sudharani had maintained the akshara count in the Mel kalam also;something like :

(4) (4) (4) (4) (4) (4) (2) (2)
||ga;nidapamagarigama | pa; sanidapamapadani | da; garisani risanida | ni sanidapa
De ;vi………………......... | sri; ma...................... | ha; Tri........ pu....... | ra sun.......
(2) (2)
sanidapa mapadani | sa
............ da.......... ri

Hope i made some sense.

Sarma.

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

Hari: Since we have approval for sharing the links only in this forum, let us follow these rules: Do not upload to sangeethapriya. If rapidshare is a problem to download for some people, you can volunteer to upload to other upload sites like megaupload and post the links here and only here. Thank you.

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Post by Music »

Hari,
Thanks for offering to help in making the files more accessible. I have been continuing to try the Rapidshare links above and today happened to be a very good day with it. Don't know about others, but I have been able to download almost all the songs. Just wanted to save you the effort in case you were planning on it.
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I downloaded just the RTP. If you can upload the songs to some other place like sendspace.com, it will be great

=hari

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Post by pgaiyar »

22-Aug-07

Dear Sir:

The Thillana (By BMK Garu) in ragam Kathanakuthukalam is ending abruptly. Can you please check and upload this track again?. God bless you.

Regards
P. G. Aiyar

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