So true....so true...shanks wrote:mastery over the instrument has to be reached by the age of 15 and after that the manodharma can be developed based on the mastery
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Sam Swaminathan
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arasi
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Sam,
I bet you play better than what you own up to--you are the one with humility! I wanted to learn the vINA as a child and was told, 'kuralirukkum pOdu viral edaRku?'(why learn an instrument while one has a good voice?). And you play the violin! Not an easy instrument to master.
ksrimech,
What if there is no facility to be a gOpAlan (cowherd) in your hometown? You enjoy that 'AniRai mEikkum' gOkula bAlan in all the AzhvArs' pAsurams you know and enjoy more than any of us...
I bet you play better than what you own up to--you are the one with humility! I wanted to learn the vINA as a child and was told, 'kuralirukkum pOdu viral edaRku?'(why learn an instrument while one has a good voice?). And you play the violin! Not an easy instrument to master.
ksrimech,
What if there is no facility to be a gOpAlan (cowherd) in your hometown? You enjoy that 'AniRai mEikkum' gOkula bAlan in all the AzhvArs' pAsurams you know and enjoy more than any of us...
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sushanth
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Shankarji,shanks wrote:Here is the link for a recording with Parur Sundaram Iyer with MSG for sure and MSA (unsure)
http://download.yousendit.com/CF47A62C029C2C0B
Shankar
Could you please upload the file again. I dont want to miss this wonderful file. Looks like the earlier link has already expired.
Thanks a lot,
Sushanth
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ANAND
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Dear Sam Ji
I am also a very ardent fan of MSG .. I have been following his style for years and believe me it has been a musical journey full of learning ..
MSG is a great artist beyond comparison and can play any thing on the violin . His gamakas are amazing and his
Stage personality
the handling of the instrument
simplicity
time management
Sincerity and dedication
...... can go on on
MSG .. is simply great
Anand
I am also a very ardent fan of MSG .. I have been following his style for years and believe me it has been a musical journey full of learning ..
MSG is a great artist beyond comparison and can play any thing on the violin . His gamakas are amazing and his
Stage personality
the handling of the instrument
simplicity
time management
Sincerity and dedication
...... can go on on
MSG .. is simply great
Anand
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ganesh_mourthy
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mastery over the instrument has to be reached by the age of 15 and after that the manodharma can be developed based on the mastery
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I completely contradict this. And folks don't lose heart. I accept that carnatic music is complex and scientific but at the same time it is sort of hyped by many people . While the western classical or Hindustani is deemed as a great evolution of music , carnatic is understood as a simple, devotional,insipid musical form by many people( though it is actually not).
To make this great musical system relished by many more people to come, please avoid giving invalid statements like mastery over the instrument ...............
This would be discouraging to many people.
The western world is proud with the way mankind has harnessed sound to produce music wheras we limit it to bhakthi coupled with prejudices.
Our music has grown in tandem with bakthi. But let us also try to appreciate the technical growth of it .
This great musical system should reach wider mass of people and learning it could definitely make one to understand it better.
There are certainly many advantages of starting any learning process during your formative years. You can progress at a slower pace without hurry, unhurdled by resposibilities.
But you can do this after 20 too if you have your mind conditioned.
Your memory works better when you are young as you don't need any logic to remember things.
But as you grow older your reasoning gets stronger. But this reasoning helps to understand the intricacies of music better. It is easier to teach an adult the difference between a reetigowlai , ananda bhairavi or a bhairavi.
Explain this to an eight year old kid and he would be seeing stars.
There is nothing such as your ability to master an instrument wanes with time. This could be true when your body condition is debilitated after 55 years may be.
Now if we have to go in favour of the statement MASTERY OVER THE INSTRUMENT HAS TO BE REACHED ..................... no problem still.
Does this mean that one cannot produce a good music at all if one learns music after 15.
Fine, you may not do all that magic circus with your fingers (let us only assume so ) but music is not only circus there is much more than that.
For instance, MD Ramanathan did not have the voice magic of a GNB or a Balamurali , yet he had great fan followers. He fully understood the strength of his voice and people who listened to his concerts came out with a completely differnet musical experience.
From this, one could deduce that if you happen to start learning music a bit late in your life
understand and modify your learning to be more productive.
When MSG is accompanied by Narmada I could see that he leaves the faster sangathis to Narmada to play because of his advanced age. Does this by anyway mean that the part played by MSG is inferior in nature?
Even if you may not be able to get complex fingering since you happen to start after 15 ( Again, let us only assume so to placcate the statement giver) you could still play and try to beautify what comes to you naturally.
Circus alone is not music and there are sublte beauties that each one can produce
I am in association with a person who started violin at the age of 22 and with his efforts could master the instrument. He has accompanied everyone from flute mali , balamurali , mlv , tns, and many other stalwarts of yesteryear.
He says that he cannot play now at the age of 73 with equal ease coz of physical restrictions.
A special note:
The great S.Balachander started learning veena just out of impulse when he was 19. Can anyone underestimate his vidwat, or his prowess. Nobody is ever able to reproduce his music and his fingering techniques.Probaby one of the greatest musicians we ever ever had. listen to his saramati , Mokshamu Galadha, and you could feel the veena singing emotively in opression.It is hard to bring such singing effect in veena that does not have a continuous sound like violin, and only the great S.Balachander could do it.( who was very unfortunate to start much after 15 ?????!!!!!).listen to the link
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/c ... rtist.188/
Mokshamu Galadha is the fourth song in the list.
Coming to the point again, there are many great musicians who started late and could not make it big in music because of various hurdles and circumstances. And again big does not mean great always.
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I am not trying to offend anyone in any fashion, I apologize if I hurt someone even if unintentionally.Carantic music was a foothold for people's musical enrichments and spitual advancements in the bygone era, but not anymore.
Popular cine music is rife today but souls cannot seek solace it.
Carnatic is considered esoteric today.
And lack of proper oppurtunity to learn makes even curious people to shun music.
And realize such statements are instrumental in doing so.
I had been to Sanjay's cutcherry recently. He sings great . ok. Critics call him purist .. torch bearer.perfect!
I browsed the hall. Alas! all are senior citizens. a few forty plus.a countable number of youths. Few children dragged to the concert hall ( this was very apparent with the way the kids were fidgeting their parents' gadgets adn cell phones.)
So is Sanjay bearing the torch for the senior citizens to follow. This is the painful fate of many concerts today.
We music lovers should try to initiate poeple to blend in with music. If not, at least not discourage them. Please Contemplate before you make any statements.
The more the people learning music the more there would be people to enjoy it. And as more and more people discuss and think music it gets into more and more minds subconcsiously . This is called the radiation of thoughts.
But by such irresponsible statements this growing structure is weakened even if it creeps into a few minds.
Please be aware that this is a loss to me , you and someone who is learning before the age of 15.
I beleive that was a statement vented in frustration.
Conclusively,
I AGREE THAT BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO STARTED EARLY IN THEIR LIFE.
DEAR LATE STARTERS, YOU ARE NOT BEYOND REDEMPTION.
YOU ARE BLESSED TOO. MAY BE A LITTLE LESS BLESSED WHICH CAN BE OVERCOME BY YOUR MATURITY, PERSEVERANCE AND PLANNING.
spend time productively.
Quality time is much better than quantity time.
This applies to studies, music, work and whatever.
1 hour of quality, planned , well concentrated , undisturbed practice can outdo many hours of disoriented, disturbed, unplanned practice.
I am ending this. No offence meant. Let's not make it an ego clash.
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END NOTE
Most of the words are from the earlier mentioned experienced 73 year old musician with whom I happened to discuss about age barrier and learning music. I only tranlated his ideas and posted here hoping that our members would take it in the right spirits.
(I found this statement ( mastery over the instrument ......) repeating itself of and on in this rasikas site and hence wanted to write about this before these discouraging words deeply settles into someone's mind)
Once again , no offence meant.
mastery over the instrument has to be reached by the age of 15 and after that the manodharma can be developed based on the mastery
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
I completely contradict this. And folks don't lose heart. I accept that carnatic music is complex and scientific but at the same time it is sort of hyped by many people . While the western classical or Hindustani is deemed as a great evolution of music , carnatic is understood as a simple, devotional,insipid musical form by many people( though it is actually not).
To make this great musical system relished by many more people to come, please avoid giving invalid statements like mastery over the instrument ...............
This would be discouraging to many people.
The western world is proud with the way mankind has harnessed sound to produce music wheras we limit it to bhakthi coupled with prejudices.
Our music has grown in tandem with bakthi. But let us also try to appreciate the technical growth of it .
This great musical system should reach wider mass of people and learning it could definitely make one to understand it better.
There are certainly many advantages of starting any learning process during your formative years. You can progress at a slower pace without hurry, unhurdled by resposibilities.
But you can do this after 20 too if you have your mind conditioned.
Your memory works better when you are young as you don't need any logic to remember things.
But as you grow older your reasoning gets stronger. But this reasoning helps to understand the intricacies of music better. It is easier to teach an adult the difference between a reetigowlai , ananda bhairavi or a bhairavi.
Explain this to an eight year old kid and he would be seeing stars.
There is nothing such as your ability to master an instrument wanes with time. This could be true when your body condition is debilitated after 55 years may be.
Now if we have to go in favour of the statement MASTERY OVER THE INSTRUMENT HAS TO BE REACHED ..................... no problem still.
Does this mean that one cannot produce a good music at all if one learns music after 15.
Fine, you may not do all that magic circus with your fingers (let us only assume so ) but music is not only circus there is much more than that.
For instance, MD Ramanathan did not have the voice magic of a GNB or a Balamurali , yet he had great fan followers. He fully understood the strength of his voice and people who listened to his concerts came out with a completely differnet musical experience.
From this, one could deduce that if you happen to start learning music a bit late in your life
understand and modify your learning to be more productive.
When MSG is accompanied by Narmada I could see that he leaves the faster sangathis to Narmada to play because of his advanced age. Does this by anyway mean that the part played by MSG is inferior in nature?
Even if you may not be able to get complex fingering since you happen to start after 15 ( Again, let us only assume so to placcate the statement giver) you could still play and try to beautify what comes to you naturally.
Circus alone is not music and there are sublte beauties that each one can produce
I am in association with a person who started violin at the age of 22 and with his efforts could master the instrument. He has accompanied everyone from flute mali , balamurali , mlv , tns, and many other stalwarts of yesteryear.
He says that he cannot play now at the age of 73 with equal ease coz of physical restrictions.
A special note:
The great S.Balachander started learning veena just out of impulse when he was 19. Can anyone underestimate his vidwat, or his prowess. Nobody is ever able to reproduce his music and his fingering techniques.Probaby one of the greatest musicians we ever ever had. listen to his saramati , Mokshamu Galadha, and you could feel the veena singing emotively in opression.It is hard to bring such singing effect in veena that does not have a continuous sound like violin, and only the great S.Balachander could do it.( who was very unfortunate to start much after 15 ?????!!!!!).listen to the link
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/c ... rtist.188/
Mokshamu Galadha is the fourth song in the list.
Coming to the point again, there are many great musicians who started late and could not make it big in music because of various hurdles and circumstances. And again big does not mean great always.
--------------------------------------------------------------------.
I am not trying to offend anyone in any fashion, I apologize if I hurt someone even if unintentionally.Carantic music was a foothold for people's musical enrichments and spitual advancements in the bygone era, but not anymore.
Popular cine music is rife today but souls cannot seek solace it.
Carnatic is considered esoteric today.
And lack of proper oppurtunity to learn makes even curious people to shun music.
And realize such statements are instrumental in doing so.
I had been to Sanjay's cutcherry recently. He sings great . ok. Critics call him purist .. torch bearer.perfect!
I browsed the hall. Alas! all are senior citizens. a few forty plus.a countable number of youths. Few children dragged to the concert hall ( this was very apparent with the way the kids were fidgeting their parents' gadgets adn cell phones.)
So is Sanjay bearing the torch for the senior citizens to follow. This is the painful fate of many concerts today.
We music lovers should try to initiate poeple to blend in with music. If not, at least not discourage them. Please Contemplate before you make any statements.
The more the people learning music the more there would be people to enjoy it. And as more and more people discuss and think music it gets into more and more minds subconcsiously . This is called the radiation of thoughts.
But by such irresponsible statements this growing structure is weakened even if it creeps into a few minds.
Please be aware that this is a loss to me , you and someone who is learning before the age of 15.
I beleive that was a statement vented in frustration.
Conclusively,
I AGREE THAT BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO STARTED EARLY IN THEIR LIFE.
DEAR LATE STARTERS, YOU ARE NOT BEYOND REDEMPTION.
YOU ARE BLESSED TOO. MAY BE A LITTLE LESS BLESSED WHICH CAN BE OVERCOME BY YOUR MATURITY, PERSEVERANCE AND PLANNING.
spend time productively.
Quality time is much better than quantity time.
This applies to studies, music, work and whatever.
1 hour of quality, planned , well concentrated , undisturbed practice can outdo many hours of disoriented, disturbed, unplanned practice.
I am ending this. No offence meant. Let's not make it an ego clash.
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END NOTE
Most of the words are from the earlier mentioned experienced 73 year old musician with whom I happened to discuss about age barrier and learning music. I only tranlated his ideas and posted here hoping that our members would take it in the right spirits.
(I found this statement ( mastery over the instrument ......) repeating itself of and on in this rasikas site and hence wanted to write about this before these discouraging words deeply settles into someone's mind)
Once again , no offence meant.
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ganesh_mourthy
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Please read this article about the great S. Balachander a self taught musician.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balachander
An eye opener for people like us who always complain like lack of good guru, late starting, etc....
once again no offence meant dear members.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balachander
An eye opener for people like us who always complain like lack of good guru, late starting, etc....
once again no offence meant dear members.
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shanks
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Here are the recordings again:
http://rapidshare.com/files/59525365/243_MSG.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/59526374/21 ... G.mp3.html
Shanks
http://rapidshare.com/files/59525365/243_MSG.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/59526374/21 ... G.mp3.html
Shanks
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ganesh_mourthy
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sushanth
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Thanks a lot Shankarji..shanks wrote:Here are the recordings again:
http://rapidshare.com/files/59525365/243_MSG.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/59526374/21 ... G.mp3.html
Shanks
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ganesh_mourthy
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ganeshkumar
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venkatakailasam
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Re: Parur M.S. Anantharaman
There is no posting in this thread after July 2009. Let me refresh it.
Here is an article in The Hindu Friday review "Meet the family of musicians" by VB.
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2011/01/21/stor ... 480100.htm
venkatakailasam
Here is an article in The Hindu Friday review "Meet the family of musicians" by VB.
http://www.hindu.com/fr/2011/01/21/stor ... 480100.htm
venkatakailasam
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rajeshnat
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Re: Parur M.S. Anantharaman
Nice and lovely write up .Has Smt MS bhAgirathi played as a violin accompanist, are there any recordings(I am assuming she is sitting next to her dad).Incidentally in the 4th generation of Parur, only MS Ananthakrishnan is performing as a violin accompanist. Hope his siblings (4th generation grand daughters)also take up as violin accompaniment.