T.M.Krishna@NADHASURABHI Bangalore.

appam · Post by **appam** » 17 Nov 2007, 23:09

Vid.T.M.Krishna Vocal
Vid.H.K.Venkatram Violin
Vid.Cheluvaraju Mridangam
Vidushi.Sukanya R. Ghatam.

1.Ninnukori Varnam Mohanam adi Poochi S. Ayyangar.

2.Nee Bhajanagana Nayaki adi Thiagarajar
S @Nee Bhajana

3.Sri thulasamma Devagandhari adi "

4.Raga shashivadana Takka?? adi "

5.Sri Kalahasthi Huseni Jampa Dikshithar
S@ Sri kalahasthi

6.Aparadhamula Lathangi adi Patnam.S.Ayer
N&S @ Krupachesi naa Manavyalakinchi

7.Kaamaakshi Yedukula Khambhoji chapu Shamashastri
A & N @Parvati Sakala Jana Pavani
T

8.Tallialedhu rama Thenuka adi Thiagarajar

9.RTP Mohanam adi

NAMASTHE JATADHARA SHAMBO CHITHAKAMA MOHANA

Ragams in which S was rendered Khambhoji,Bilahari??,Garudathwani

A simple varnam was rendered superbly.S for Nayaki well sung,which reiterates the well known fact that his forte is the rendering of kalpanaswaras.Latangi sung at a very brisk pace,including the N&S.The raga of the Swarajati was full of Bhava.and the N well sung ,bringing out all the subtle nuances
HKV as usual, did not disappoint the audience.
Cheluvaraju and SR rendered a good Thani.

Anyone who stayed till the end of the concert may kindly fill in the details.

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rasaali · Post by **rasaali** » 18 Nov 2007, 21:35

Was Sri Kalahastisha rendered in Jampa talam or Khanda Chapu? I have heard DKJ render this in a tape and I felt he used the latter.

Thanks!
R

appam · Post by **appam** » 19 Nov 2007, 10:45

The two reference books on CM indicate that the thala to be Jampa.However it may be possible that it can also be rendered in Khanda chapu.Can anyone throw light on this matter?

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 19 Nov 2007, 10:56

Considering that TMK's rendition mostly follows ssi bAni , it would have been a treat to listen to a mOhanam RTP, as this school rendering mOhanam is quite rare.

hariharans · Post by **hariharans** » 19 Nov 2007, 13:36

"Was Sri Kalahastisha rendered in Jampa talam or Khanda Chapu? I have heard DKJ render this in a tape and I felt he used the latter."

TMK rendered it in Khanda Ekam.

ANU · Post by **ANU** » 19 Nov 2007, 15:18

Yes, DKJ used to sing this in Kanda Chapu

hariharans · Post by **hariharans** » 19 Nov 2007, 16:30

My apologies....Its in Jampa thalam.

vvmri · Post by **vvmri** » 19 Nov 2007, 20:25

Can someone post a recording of shri DKJ singing the husseni song by dikshitar please. thank u

googoo · Post by **googoo** » 20 Nov 2007, 11:59

So far we have khanda ekam, khanda chapu and jampa ... Are these somehow equivalent?

I know the following but I am not able to make out what laghu jampa would be equivalent to khanda ekam?

khanda ekam: 1 laghu of 5 count
khanda chapu: standard tha-ka;tha-ki-ta
jampa: 1 laghu, 1 anudrutham and 1 drutham

ram · Post by **ram** » 20 Nov 2007, 12:55

googoo wrote:So far we have khanda ekam, khanda chapu and jampa ... Are these somehow equivalent?

I know the following but I am not able to make out what laghu jampa would be equivalent to khanda ekam?

khanda ekam: 1 laghu of 5 count
khanda chapu: standard tha-ka;tha-ki-ta
jampa: 1 laghu, 1 anudrutham and 1 drutham

kanDa Ekam: 1 lagu of count 5 = 5 (kanDam) beats in all in one Avartanam (or one cycle)

kanDa cApu: 2.5 beats in one Avartanam

misra jAti jampa tALam (misra jampa): 1 lagu of count 7 (misram) + 1 anudrutam + 1 drutam = 10 beats in all in one Avartanam

googoo · Post by **googoo** » 20 Nov 2007, 13:16

ram, thanks for that, but i fear i still havent understood this:

assuming eka and jampa talam are in chaushra nadai:

1 avartanam of m. jampa = 2 avartanams of k. eka = 8 avartanams of k.chapu

i guess my question is which one of these talams is the krithi in? i mean, wouldn't the krithi have some accent points such that it is exactly one of these talams? (even though the other representations are equivalent?)

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 20 Nov 2007, 14:24

1 misra jhampai == 2 kanda ekams == 4 kanda chapus

while misra jhampai and 2 kanda ekams are of equal counts, can 'kanda chapu' be considered the 'mEl' tALam ???

another kriti which has come from jhampai to kanda chapu is paridAnamichitE of paTNam in bilahari....

ram · Post by **ram** » 20 Nov 2007, 15:17

googoo wrote:assuming eka and jampa talam are in chaushra nadai:

1 avartanam of m. jampa = 2 avartanams of k. eka = 8 avartanams of k.chapu

1 Avartanam of k.eka has 5 beats
1 Avartanam of k.cApu has 2.5 beats

So as Bharath says, 1 Avartanam of m.jampa ~= 2 Avartanams of k.eka = 4 Avartanams of k. cApu

googoo wrote:i guess my question is which one of these talams is the krithi in? i mean, wouldn't the krithi have some accent points such that it is exactly one of these talams? (even though the other representations are equivalent?)

I haven't heard the kriti before; so am unable to comment on this.

googoo · Post by **googoo** » 20 Nov 2007, 16:13

1 Avartanam of k.cApu has 2.5 beats

Is that how k.chapu is defined relative to any non-chapu talam? Then why the tha-ka;tha-ki-ta notation?

Is the tha-ka of k.chapu == tha-ka-di-mi (1 beat of a chatushra nadai non-chapu talam)?

Or is k.chapu really tha-ka-dhi-mi; tha-ka-tha-ri-ki-ta (i.e 1 + 1.5 beats)

i.e. is the sub-beat interval (in absolute time) the same for both chapu and non-chapu talams.

I apologize if my questions are silly ...

ram · Post by **ram** » 20 Nov 2007, 16:26

googoo wrote:Is the tha-ka of k.chapu == tha-ka-di-mi (1 beat of a chatushra nadai non-chapu talam)?

Yes. Each beat corresponds to four subdivisions in catusra naDai (madyama kAlam). The tha-ka; tha-ki-Ta probably came into vogue because it is easier to say and put tAlam that way

googoo wrote:Or is k.chapu really tha-ka-dhi-mi; tha-ka-tha-ri-ki-ta (i.e 1 + 1.5 beats)

Yes. The structure corresponds to 1 + 1.5 beats like you have described.

googoo wrote:i.e. is the sub-beat interval (in absolute time) the same for both chapu and non-chapu talams.

Yes. For example, one beat in catusra gati madyama kAlam would correspond to 4 sub-divisions (or 4 aksharams).

cienu · Post by **cienu** » 20 Nov 2007, 17:03

This thread could also be copied to the "Tala and Laya" Forum as it is extremely informative.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 22 Dec 2007, 10:49

Mathematical equivalents of these thalams is one thing but is there anything in that krithi that makes it better suited for one thalam or the other?