Top 5 artists for Season 2007

komalangi · Post by **komalangi** » 03 Dec 2007, 09:06

Ananda vikatan carried out a survey to identify the top artists for the season 2007. The survey was done by IRC and Wide Vision Ltd. 600 people were surveyed during july/aug 2007 to identify the top 5 artistes for season 2007.

among males

Sanjay Subrahmanyan - 28%
TM Krishna - 22%
KJ Yesudas - 18%
TN Seshagopalan - 17%
P Unnikrishnan - 15%

Females

Sudha Ragunathan - 27%
Bombay Jayashri - 21%
Aruna Sairam - 19%
Nityashri Mahadevan - 18%
Ranjani & Gayatri - 15%

Juniors and upcoming artistes

Males

OS Arun - 28%
Papanasam Ashok Ramani - 24%
Sikkil Gurucharan - 21%
R Suryaprakash - 16%
Master Balamuralikrishna - 11%

Females

Gayatri Girish - 31%
Nisha Rajagopal - 24%
Gayatri Venkatraghavan - 23%
Savita Narasimhan - 14%
Mahati - 8%

It is not surprising to see that one Mr. Sanjay Subrahmanyan tops the list in the males. It is also not surprising to see that TM Krishna is as second, people tend to speak of him in the same breath as though they are siamese twins or something of that sort (I still have not figured this bizarre perception of the rasikas out...).

I am not sure if OS Arun, Ashok Ramani, and Suryaprakash are junior or upcoming or both...

The women folk seem to perform along predictable lines.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 03 Dec 2007, 09:22

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Ramaprasad · Post by **Ramaprasad** » 03 Dec 2007, 09:45

Coolkarni Sir,

Amen.

Ramaprasad

ignoramus · Post by **ignoramus** » 03 Dec 2007, 09:47

agreed, coolji !!!

kamavardhani · Post by **kamavardhani** » 03 Dec 2007, 09:53

One expected something better than such cheap gimmicks from Vikatan's VSV Sir! Komalangi's enthusiasm is understandable... but I'm wondering if Sanjay needs such dedicated promos any more!

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 03 Dec 2007, 10:07

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mahesh_narayan · Post by **mahesh_narayan** » 03 Dec 2007, 10:21

Spot on Coolkarni Sir. What a ridiculous survey !! And no violin, mridangam, ghatam or ganjira rtistes in the list at all. In the minds of people who responded to the survey, they don't even count apparently !!!

And no non-tamil artistes as well: Malladi brothers, Hyderabad Brothers, Rudrapatnam brothers, all relegated to non-entitiy positions !!! Atleast Vijay Siva could have been there in the list, but apparently, he isn't goo enough too.

Wonder how vidwans like Nedunuri Garu and Voleti Garu survived all that regional bias !!!

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 03 Dec 2007, 11:38

what sin has TVSankaranarayanan done to be ignored completely? already I am gritting my teeth so loud ,for not putting TNS on top of the list, mywife asks what happened? balasubramanian gobilalitha

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 03 Dec 2007, 11:46

Mahesh, they didn't - even today a majority of CM rasikas would not have heard of Nedunuri or Voleti. About 90% would never have heard them sing....thanks to such surveys perhaps...

Interesting though and I suppose a reflection of the popular mood. However it is heartening to note that it is possible for quality performers to sweep the popularity stakes as well. Highly surprised to note that Aruna is is 3rd position...the sold out signs indicate otherwise

I also completely diagree with the categorization...Ashok Ramani is second to none in vidwat. Gayathri Venkataraghavan and Gayathri Girish are all evening slotters at the Academy - on what basis are these artistes "upcoming" or "juniors"....

jnaanasoonyam · Post by **jnaanasoonyam** » 03 Dec 2007, 11:50

Ashok Ramani, Suryaprakash, OS Arun... all of them in their 40s and having performed for so many years. Junior & upcoming??? Clubbed with striplings like Gurucharan & MBK Jr?

A popular artiste list missing the most classical performers of all: Vijay Siva, Neyveli Santhanam & Sowmya!

Seniors list without TVS, OST but including KJY???????

Well done VSV... brilliant hack job!

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 03 Dec 2007, 11:57

People, don't shoot the messenger, it is a public poll. The whole population is to be blamed

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 03 Dec 2007, 12:07

VK as I've said, the poll is probably OK as a reflection of the popular mood but the categorization was presumably done by Ananda Vikatan - that's certainly the messenger's mischief.

Also the results are somewhat surprising. Going by the crowds at least Aruna would seem to be the clear winner across categories. BTW, do we really need a male/female distinction in CM. As far as I can tell, CM is one area, the quality of the concert is almost completely gender netutral...or is that a separate debate altogether?!!

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 03 Dec 2007, 12:08

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vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 03 Dec 2007, 12:15

new sangati is heard from a youngster of today, it happens to be old wine in a new bottle

Indeed, the sangatis like 'rAma nannu brOvarA' , 'dArini telusukoNTi sundArini telusukoNTi' and 'graha balamEmi rAmAnugraha balamEmi' are their contributions only.
No wonder 'older the wine, better the taste'!! (or is it bitter?) Those who do not like such sangatis better look the other way.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 03 Dec 2007, 12:28

Kji..

Understood.

Vijay, I agree the poll desingers/messenger has that potential mischiefous role to play.

Also, we do not know how scientific and random the poll was. Sampling works best and correctly only when it is a truly representative of the population covering a wide range of sources from which people get their information to form opinions: concert goers, tv watchers, radio listeners, newspaper readers etc.

List making is a popular activity in various internet forums. It is tough when it is restricted to 5. No one is usually happy with the end result which is also part of the ritual: Taking apart and making fun of each other's lists.

Are you all game for posting your own lists? Limiting it to 5 will make decision making very tough. It will be a gut wrenching exercise when you had to leave out some of your favorites.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 03 Dec 2007, 13:47

While I can give a benefit of doubt for other artists in ranking (as most of the CM rasikas opinion is conditioned by TV and The Hindu), But I just cannot stand this hogwash of including KJ YesudAs as #3 in the main ranking lists. The only time KJ Yesudos has been singing is during kutcheri season. Last season he sang pramadavanam vendum from the film His highness abdullah as a tukkada in a concert in NGS that I attended. That was a smart move , only at the end of that tukkada he received maximum applause,

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 03 Dec 2007, 17:51

Exciting discussion!
Wonder if it's all worth it--as with a hippopotamus rolling a pea. As far as the popular magazine is concerned, it is nothing but seasonal space filler.
What a joke of a survey, any way...

vageyakara · Post by **vageyakara** » 03 Dec 2007, 18:46

Thi above list should not have been published in our forum at all.thanks to the unbiased values /and views our Revered FOURUM ATTRIBUTES to the vidwath of any artist..It shows to prove that VIKATAN (DEN) HAS BECOME a DEN of certain vested interests.

vageyakara · Post by **vageyakara** » 03 Dec 2007, 21:55

I earnestly request all our cmloving devotees to attach only DUST BIN VALUE to the list purported to have been published in the WICKED (den).Who is bothered about the ratings it has mischievously given to each artist.It 's all bash.and filthy stuff.
Ramaraj

vageyakara · Post by **vageyakara** » 03 Dec 2007, 23:58

As professional s who are supposed to be conscious of some ethics should condemn the mischief mongering attempt of the WICKED DEN (vikatan) en toto . I MEAN even THOSE who have managed to get their names in to the (black) List of notorious TOP TEN AND BOTTOM TEN , should raise their voices against the WICKED TEN whose commercial motive , is, just to rehabilitate it's circulation.It's cheap rate journalism should be confined to other fields and for God's sake please leave the Carnatic Music field and its VAAYILLAPOOCHIGAL (voiceless few)alone

Ramaraj

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rrao13 · Post by **rrao13** » 04 Dec 2007, 00:41

Very harsh comments from several of the rasikas. I think it is interesting to see the survey results and I would definitely not view everything about the survey in such negative terms as seen in this thread so far. Congratulations to the magazine for investing time and money to do the survey, the singers who made it to the list and most importantly a big thank you to the SIX HUNDRED Karnatik Music Lovers who willingly spent their valuable time to provide their opinions.

nadhasudha · Post by **nadhasudha** » 04 Dec 2007, 03:03

Why is it so difficult for us Indians to accept an opposing point of view? I thought the whole purpose of education was the ability to accept an opposing point of view in a civil manner and be able to discuss it. So what if 600 people surveyed did not rank Neyveli Santhanam or Sowmya or someone who is your favorite? May be they have not evolved to that level of carnatic music sophistication.

In my opinion, right or wrong, the results of the survey express popular public opinion and we ought to leave it at that.

komalangi · Post by **komalangi** » 04 Dec 2007, 04:13

I tend to agree with nadasudha. It is popular opinion expressed in a context that they surveyors and surveyed only know best. Having said that, the results of the opinion most likely will correlate well with volume of turnout for these artists.

Other than being pretentious about the so called "englightened" status that the opposers supposedly have achieved, the emotional responses to the survey carry very little substance. The most revered rasika on this forum speaks of TMT, Kalyanaraman, BMK and MDR in the same breath. Does he even realise that during their time, the four weren't necessarily spoken of as equals ( not just in the court of public opinions but even among "enlightened" rasikas).

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 04 Dec 2007, 06:35

Alright, let us calm down a bit.

Somehow Lists always tend to generate some heat. That is the nature of lists, it is hard to get a consensus when people's interests are quite diverse.

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 04 Dec 2007, 07:06

vk is absolutely right. the world being what it is, interest is varied in every field orf activity like music, cricket, literature, politics ,atheism etc the views ot individuals are divergent.. even brothers have their own heroes in every field,resulting in heated arguments .no purpose served in such opinion polls .gobilalitha

vageyakara · Post by **vageyakara** » 04 Dec 2007, 07:35

My contention is that all the incumbents in the list are professionals and currently performing artists,Does it mean that the other vidhwan should be classified UNder "ALSO RAN CATEGORY " or is it a survey conducted on a Music olympiyad or GUINNES book of RECORDS.!! Nor is an atheletic event , nor a BEAUTY CONTEST, FASHION SHOW.I am sure another set of survey by some vested interests would find comedian Vadivelu, Kovai sarala, Kaundamani, vivek etc wouldd find their place in the top five category because they too sing a little bit and millions of people vote for them in any given poll.
My point is "do we need to publish/reproduce such slipshods into our forum.

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 04 Dec 2007, 07:54

The results were no major surprise and correlate very well to the audience numbers at concerts. Being a Carnatic musician poll, I think it was worthwhile publishing the results here.

The nature of any poll is that the results are dependant on the type of people who are being polled. I don't know where IRC and Wide Vision Ltd got their sample, but I presume it was taken at various sabhas. It wouldn't make any sense to take the sample for this survey at a rock concert.

We must remember that such a poll has absolutely no reflection on musicians' capability, or on the ability of musicians' not mentioned. It is just a sample measure of popularity.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 04 Dec 2007, 08:06

Is it possible that this is a calculated hoax! Read carefully

Ananda vikatan carried out a survey to identify the top artists for the season 2007. The survey was done by IRC and Wide Vision Ltd. 600 people were surveyed during july/aug 2007 to identify the top 5 artistes for season 2007.

Most definitely the chosen 600 had mentioned other names too. But then how can the total be a perfect 100% in every category. An honest surveyor would add a category 'Others x%'. Hence the whole thing is not credible but probably a sales or promotional

gimmick.

By the by did any of our over 3000 membership participate in the survey. If yes do speak up.

Let us think 'cool' and not jump up as per our old adage:
'kaaLai petRathunnu kayaReDu' (the bull has delivered and go get a rope

(loses a lot in translation

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 04 Dec 2007, 08:14

An enlightened Response to the Survey

A man was in a hot-air balloon. Soon he found himself lost with nothing but green fields for as far as the eye could see. Eventually, he happened to float over a man who was walking his dog.
He leaned over the basket and yelled out, "Hello! Where am I?"

The man on the ground replied, "You're about 20 feet above the ground in a hot- air balloon."

The balloonist cursed him and shouted back, "You must be a statistician."

"Why do you say that?" asked the man on the ground.

"Well," shouted the balloonist, "You're absolutely correct but your answer was completely useless."

"Oh I see," replied the walker, "And you must be a manager."

"Actually, you're right," said the balloonist. "How did you know?"

"Well," said the walker, "First you were lost. Then, after working out what information you needed to sort yourself out, you asked someone else to get it for you. Now, that you have the information, you're still lost, but it's someone else's fault."

For more Please visit
http://www.ilstu.edu/~gcramsey/Gallery.html
That will make your day !!!! Guaranteed.

kamavardhani · Post by **kamavardhani** » 04 Dec 2007, 08:49

mohan wrote:I don't know where IRC and Wide Vision Ltd got their sample, but I presume it was taken at various sabhas. It wouldn't make any sense to take the sample for this survey at a rock concert.

It was a survey of morning-walkers at some park in Chennai. Definitely not at a sabha or any location related to CM.

And, 'nadhasudha' madam, if I understand it right, the beef of most members here is not the absence of a particular star in this list. It is regarding the utter stupidity of such surveys (especially for an art like CM). And I find it especially ugly because VSV is known to be a connoisseur of good music, has written good books and is soon coming out with one on Syama Sastri. Sad that he would stoop to doing such surveys to boost the circulation of Vikatan.

chalanata · Post by **chalanata** » 04 Dec 2007, 18:51

my suggestion is we can have a parellel survey here and indentify the top 10 ten here. my choice of vocalists is
1. O S Thiagarajan
2. T M Krishna
3. Vijay Siva
4. Hydrabad brothers.
5. Malladi brothers.
6. Abishek Raghuram
7. Sikkil Gurucharan
8. Sanjay Subramanyan
9. Unni Krihshnan
10. Sowmya
(It need not be in the same order; it is subjective and is as per my likes. some of the doyens are omitted to avoid controversies.other members may indicate their choice)

rbsiyer · Post by **rbsiyer** » 04 Dec 2007, 19:51

komalangi wrote:Juniors and upcoming artistes

Males

OS Arun - 28%
Papanasam Ashok Ramani - 24%
Sikkil Gurucharan - 21%
R Suryaprakash - 16%
Master Balamuralikrishna - 11%

Females

Gayatri Girish - 31%
Nisha Rajagopal - 24%
Gayatri Venkatraghavan - 23%
Savita Narasimhan - 14%
Mahati - 8%

quite ridiculous really! regarding the males, os arun is already a senior artiste, with his albums having probably several times the market share of all the others combined. talk about comparing apples and oranges!

among the females afaik, only the gayatris can be considered professional or fulltime performers, with only ms. venkatragavan drawing large crowds in my experience. i've not listened to the other three, and did not even know that there was a carnatic vocalist named mahathi !!!! pray, in which sabha does she sing, or is she a strictly "global" artist?

in the context of young singers, over the past year, i've attended housefull concerts only by gurucharan, visakahari and charulata mani, none of whom even feature in the list!

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 04 Dec 2007, 20:26

chalanata wrote:my suggestion is we can have a parellel survey here and indentify the top 10 ten here.

That will invite more trouble.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 04 Dec 2007, 20:42

I endorse the view of the webmaster completely. In particular
Any views or preferences of artistes expressed by the membership here singly or in groups are strictly personal and it will be their own only and do not represent the views or endorsements by this BB

vageyakara · Post by **vageyakara** » 04 Dec 2007, 21:00

I fully endorse the views of srkris,
It definitely would create controversy and transform into an irremedial sensitive issue.Even now there is grudge brewing amongst some quarters of non elite rasikas of CM, and the communal discrimination is already haunting certain fields including political field.Who knows , a day may arise when all the non-elite communities turn against CM loving segment.and the lists already published /reproduced would stand testimony to the general feeling that only a select band of artists from a particular community find place in the list.It is better to leave it at this stage and march forward towards the forum's prime-ordeal goal of effectively upholding the Musical heritage and cultural valuesmaintaining the professional ethics in tact.
Let us not throw open yet another "PANDORAS'BOX whether intentionally or
inadvertantly and stoop to the level of WICKED (DEN) VIKATAN
Ramaraj

Svaapana · Post by **Svaapana** » 04 Dec 2007, 21:51

Why so much fuss over what looks like an innocuous survey? KJJ, OSA and Ashok Ramani dont fit well in the lists. Otherwise the survey (done well or not) seem to reflect the popular appeal of the artistes today.

nadhasudha · Post by **nadhasudha** » 05 Dec 2007, 00:47

kamavardhini,

The reaction on this Bulletin Board to a survey in a popular magazine is certainly overboard. I still cannot understand the furor over this survey. It is after all a survey and is bound to reflect the views of the majority surveyed. I do notice a very patronizing attitude of some members in this forum almost as if they are the carnatic music taliban dictating what needs to be surveyed, who needs to be surveyed, when the survey needs to be done.

kadambam · Post by **kadambam** » 05 Dec 2007, 01:57

My 2 cents,

Whether we like it or not, in this year of SMS age, critical mass is going to play a significant role in many forms. There are music contests, where the winners are determined by the # of votes, & we don't even know the population that is voting.

Five years from now, there could be something like Carnatic Billboards or sponsorships for individual kritis .. like Hutch RTP or Nalli Tukada or an Ambika Appalam Thani..If i am right, even now, there is a summary statistics for each artist, regarding number of concerts in the season, # of tours etc etc. The Performing artists fraternity should be against such initiatives( i hope..).

Unfortunately, in India, critical mass's opinion determines the fate of many musicians careers. A very detailed scholarly review of a great musician will not be well received as against a public poll conducted by Sun TV. If someone's name is mentioned even once, that carries more weightage than a positive review. That is why many of these musicians take their chances in films or cable TVs to gain acceptance from a critical mass. Public Acceptance may not have any correlation with musical abilities (i don't need to give examples here....

). This would have been the case even many years ago, but today physical appearence carries a lot of weight (less body weight carries more weight in rasikas mind!!!)

Carnatic Music is a Fine art. The media should realize that there are distinct features in musicians that may appeal to rasikas and any unneccessary polls/surveys/ratings add undue pressure to the musicians. Priority should be given to promote the music not the musician!!!!!!

jukebox · Post by **jukebox** » 05 Dec 2007, 07:16

I have been mulling over this topic for the last couple of days. My few cents:

1. Commercialisation of CM in the media has been especially on the rise over the last few years. Earlier we were bemoaning the lack of coverage and reach to all classes of society. In that respect it is a positive sign that some of the widely read papers and magazines are devoting space to CM amidst all the competition from cinema and other popular things.

2. In order for this to happen, articles have to necessarily generate interest. After all journalists and these magazines/papers also need to thrive in today's world.

3. Having said that, I definitely don't think a highly subjective art like CM and its practitioners can receive any fair assessment through polls and surveys.

Coming to this particular survey, some of the questions I have are:

1. Who were the people surveyed?
2. Were they given a list of musicians to choose from or were they simply asked to name their favorite musicians?
3. Did it include musicians from cities other than Chennai?

I feel answers to the above will establish the serious worth of the survey.

It is too much to expect that the media and journalists will be fair. They will only go with what they perceive is the popular choice, of course with a fair amount of room for their writers' favorites. This automatically gives room for corruption and prejudices.

A medium like rasikas.org will definitely have its worth, but I doubt if musicians and the non-internet rasikas (which I suspect is the majority of CM rasikas) will care as much if their (or their fav musicians') names appear in this forum than they if it appears on print! Unless of course, rasikas.org goes a step further and starts printing a newsletter or something.... Now that's definitely worth thinking about.

HeyNarayana · Post by **HeyNarayana** » 05 Dec 2007, 08:31

I agree with some of the other rasika's comments. The idea of this survey is stupid and I am surprised people had time to conduct and participate in these surveys. These will only promote prejudice. I can see that this is regionally biased response. No offence, I love listening to these artists and head them many times in live but has anybody thought that these artists come with big brand name Gurus or schools behind them? What about artists like Hyderabad Brothers for example and many others who worked their way up to perfecting their music? In my opinion all these artists have something unique to offer and we should just respect that and enjoy. I heard Sri T N Sesha Gopalan recently in Los Angeles, he was off sruti most of the time and every krithi he elaborated to a point audience were waiting for the concert to end. However, I enjoyed every bit of it just because it was Sri TNS. Surveys are good as long as they promote good sense towards musicians and music.

HeyNarayana · Post by **HeyNarayana** » 05 Dec 2007, 08:32

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 05 Dec 2007, 08:38

Kadambam and Jukebox,
Thanks for your posts. My initial reaction to the survey was that it carried no weight and that it was a mere seasonal space filler. Yes, the seriousness of the intent of the survey and the amount of interest for CM in those who were surveyed is to be taken into account.
On the one hand, we are happy to read about CM and CM performers in the papers, but not in the same sense as 'your favorite color, your food preference' kind of questions' which trivialize both the music and the performers. There is nothing wrong in some humor in humorous magazines (how we crave good humor!) but once it calls itself a survey, it better get a bit serious.
What kind of eatables do people munch on on the beach can make an interesting survey. It is entertaining to read but it doesn't help to use the same casual attitude when it comes to a survey onCM.
Yes, Rasikas is setting an example in reviving chamber music, in bringing music home without all the hoopla that seems to be generated these days to propagate it.
Popularizing CM is great. To make it an item of popularity is not...

sbala · Post by **sbala** » 05 Dec 2007, 09:25

I do remember there was thread either here or on sangeetham listing everyone's top 3 artistes. It was one of the more popular threads. The other day when I and Vijay were walking through TNagar, we were discussing about our favourite artistes as well. There has to be a lighter side to everything, even if that thing happens to be CM. Let's not be too critical lest we fall into the trap of fanaticism. I, for one, would gladly digest such polls than the Hindu reviews.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 05 Dec 2007, 09:35

'a very patronizing attitude "

I presume the poster is referring to an attitude that has been

soft with posters who have a record of posting 70% of their posts in favour of one leading Musician and still believe us to be naive enough to swallow a phrase like "One Mr. Tops the list "

soft with people who use double Ids and spam or answer their own questions.

soft enough to delete posts that offend the Original starter of the thread , in order to give him / her full freedom to express what He/She wanted to develop , through this thread.

That is the spirit of rasikas.org, in my opinion .To compare it to Taliban shows an impatience with views that may not be in line with the Originators opinion.

Getting back to the subject of rating Musicians , I have found the Poker style of rating a hand of cards the best method to rate Musicians.
Much like the images displayed against the schemes here.

http://rapidshare.com/files/74377427/Po ... _Ranks.doc

This way in my books , For Violinists it would be
Lalgudi-TNK-MSG-Dwaram in the Topmost Royal Flush category
and
MC-VVS in the Straight Flush Category.

and so in various steps , lower.

Now within categories , I could have ratings from 0 to 10 ,but the lowest of rankers in a Royal Flush would score higher than the highest of Straight Flush category.

This incidentally was a scoreline that I started with , many Summers ago.
I have had the fortune of hearing some great stuff from MC and VVS,since then to change my position , but I will keep that to myself.

My firm belief is that artists settle down to a level that is best described by their valency which is their natural state and with occasional jumps to higher orbits when energised due to moods on a particular day or lower orbits , on a given bad day.
And BTW has any one around here attended a concert in the Season with only one member in the audience (Myself)?.
Spare a thought for the three chaps on the Stage.Their commitment to play only for me -in an afternoon session-is what makes Chennai such a Special place.
The Pursuing of a tradition for tradition's sake.

CM does need advertisement , but not cheap promos.

rajumds · Post by **rajumds** » 05 Dec 2007, 12:45

Well said sbala

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 05 Dec 2007, 13:11

lighter side to ... Advertising ???

I now remember the time I bought a few Bottles of a drink called rooh afza , done in by the ad which showed a man with a glass in hand enjoying a Mujrah !!
Since I had prevailed over several other members of my family in the purchase , I was forced to drink it all myself (and flush it down whenever the opportunity presented itself) over a long long period.
I agree with you.
A little sense of humor is quite valuable.
I will not add my thoughts to this thread any more.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 05 Dec 2007, 13:47

Cool,
How I wish I were there at the concert you mention, to have listened to the three on stage when they gracefully served their fare solely to you!
Sad tlhat even the family and friends abandoned them that day!

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 05 Dec 2007, 13:49

This could be segregated like this. Those who have got SK Award shoule not be taken in this so called "Survey". Anantha Vikatan's survey is always useless. If we go by the "Real" survey

GEMS Category

OST

Super Senior (?) Category

Sanjay
TMK
Vijay Siva
Malladi Brothers.
Sikkil Gurucharan

nadhasudha · Post by **nadhasudha** » 05 Dec 2007, 23:56

coolkarni - I think you misread my post. The attitude I refer to in my earlier post is for some members of the forum and not rasikas.org as such. I am not sure how you have arrived at your conclusion.

This is my last post on this topic.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 06 Dec 2007, 07:36

Whenever polls are taken, the sampling population has to be considered very seriously. The results will vary according to the sampling - even in a given population, the sampling can be random, or pre-sorted. The method will be the next confounder to be evaluated: were the choices random, or did the pollster present the participants with a list and ask them to choose, or were specific questions asked that asked for a yes/no answer (leading questions), or were the questions open ended? If the sampling was random, then, the results could represent the results if the entire population (of 30 year olds, those attending concerts whatever) were sampled. Otherwise, one can not impute the results from the smaller sample to the whole population. There is an science, and an industry that deals with selecting sampling populations, and appropriate tools to administer the questions and collect answers that will be representative of the whole population. It is such stringent criteria that allow mining of data sets from the NHANES surveys and the like to predict the incidence and prevalence any number of diseases in the entire US population, calculation of economic burden etc etc etc. Too many careers depend on such analyses and the outcome of these analyses for sampling to be done on a whim, and using uncertain methods that are not validated.
After that long preamble, what I understand of the magazine's survey is that the sample may be a biased one, and hence, the results are not worth the trouble that was taken to do the survey. Finally, not enough information is known (at least by me) to understand if the participants chose the artists wily nily or from a panel of names presented to them.