why no review.

balu · Post by **balu** » 27 Dec 2007, 21:24

why the wonderful critics inthis honourable forum donot review the concerts of sudha ragunathan,arunasairam,nithyasree and bombay jaisree.is their music so bad that they are not woth reviewing or since they are pulling huge crowds their music cannot be good. please throw some light.

rajumds · Post by **rajumds** » 27 Dec 2007, 21:38

why can't you attend the concerts and review?

The reviewers here not reviewing for the sake of reviewing but to share their experience with others. If you like some one's music please feel free review the same.

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 27 Dec 2007, 23:32

balu wrote:why the wonderful critics inthis honourable forum donot review the concerts of sudha ragunathan,arunasairam,nithyasree and bombay jaisree.is their music so bad that they are not woth reviewing or since they are pulling huge crowds their music cannot be good.

Methinks you are giving a little too much credit to the reviewers.

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 28 Dec 2007, 00:39

Balu, I had sent in a report on Sudha's concert earlier. These artists are anyway extensively covered by the leading newspapers so don't you think it is good to see more diversity in a forum like this? As Raju says please do share your experience with us.

Harimau puts it in his usual acerbic style but the substance is true - most of us are just layment providing their point of view, as should be obvious from the number of mistakes pointed out. That is the way reviewing ought to be (if at all that is the right word) ...itself open to criticism

vigneshbal · Post by **vigneshbal** » 28 Dec 2007, 09:09

balu wrote:why the wonderful critics inthis honourable forum donot review the concerts of sudha ragunathan,arunasairam,nithyasree and bombay jaisree.is their music so bad that they are not woth reviewing or since they are pulling huge crowds their music cannot be good. please throw some light.

They are out of fashion....

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 28 Dec 2007, 10:13

well, i write reports of concerts i choose to attend. whose concert i wish to listen is the primary question, it is not whose concert others want me to review. i have a kind of liking towards a particular set of people and prefer sticking to them, rather than trying new people everyday.

Jigyaasa · Post by **Jigyaasa** » 28 Dec 2007, 12:00

harimau wrote:
balu wrote:why the wonderful critics inthis honourable forum donot review the concerts of sudha ragunathan,arunasairam,nithyasree and bombay jaisree.is their music so bad that they are not woth reviewing or since they are pulling huge crowds their music cannot be good.
Methinks you are giving a little too much credit to the reviewers.

Hell no! I think he's being ironic...

Not that it makes a difference either way... As rbharat says, everyone has a set of artistes they like listening to n so they write reviews as an extension of their concert experience... It so happens that among the forum members contributing reviews at present, no one has attended concerts or hasn't written a review for the aforementioned artists... Vicissitudes of rasika-ism

balsree · Post by **balsree** » 28 Dec 2007, 12:16

Atleast, I had written one when i attended sudha's concert !

May be i would have written more if i were in chennai !

http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=57136

I am also surprised that there are hardly any reviews about these artistes in this forum.

Balsree

rajaglan · Post by **rajaglan** » 28 Dec 2007, 14:40

balu,

You can observe Soumya's concert being reviewed more often.

Is it a gender bias? No you can also observe unni, u srinivas and Yesudas not being reviewed.

I feel all those artist have an image that doesnot allow them to deliver variations and innovations in concerts. (May be except for their performance in MA). Because a huge crowd that comes to them , comes to listen to kuri ontrum illai or abang or ... So people seeking new initatives and variations avoid these people. May be you can hear a new abhang every year.

In that list , Sudha and U Srini are veterans in CM and they have probably done everything in this field by by now. So they are not very interesting (not experimenting much - I guess) probably. But Sudha , even today commands the biggest crowd in MA and I found the next concert was TMK and 25% of the crowd left after Sudha left and 50% left after his main. This happened 2 years back.

Singing for cinema gets you a different crowd and expectation from crowd are diferent. This is one of the reasons that Sanjay said he will not sing for cinema. U srinivas and Aruna are not exactly in that pattern. I have a question opened related to a concert of U srinivas and asked for the pallavi line and no reply so far (shunmugapriya). Shows people's uninterest. May be people donot know.

And definitely the crowd here in this forum has attraction (read as bias) towards TMK, Sanjay, TNS and are busy attending their concerts. I personally can do for U srinivas, he is an greatest inspiration for many artists who are in limelight now.

Hope I didnot mean low of any artist skills, Overall artists have compulsions over a period of time.

If I were in chennai, I wouldlike to attend Vsiva, prassanna venkatraman, kuldeep pi, abhishek, shashank, soumya, tmk, sanjay, Usrini/rajesh, ost, aruna, nithyasree ...

ramarama · Post by **ramarama** » 28 Dec 2007, 14:40

The regular rasikas.com posters usually have a pre-conference meeting over beer and medhu pakodas at a corner in Luz each season, and over a night of argument and heated discussion, we decide whom to review and whom not to. Whom to praise and whom to pillage. This year, we decided to ignore those artistes you mentioned for reasons it is not civil to discuss in an open forum like this. If you would like to be a part of this decision making process, show up for next year's event - Nov 30th, 2008 - tell the rickshaw driver "Luz - Rasikas meeting" or just follow the beer and pakoda smells and the sounds of drunken amateur renditions of reethigowlai aalapanais - and you'll be there. We also decided this year to award the Kalanidhi again to T N Seshagopalan as a unique double honour, but looks like our recommendation reached the MA a little too late. We'll try again next year.

Jigyaasa · Post by **Jigyaasa** » 28 Dec 2007, 14:45

... Outrageously funny...

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 28 Dec 2007, 15:28

ramarama, LMAO!

saravanan · Post by **saravanan** » 28 Dec 2007, 15:38

"And definitely the crowd here in this forum has attraction (read as bias) towards TMK, Sanjay, TNS and are busy attending their concerts. "

Rajaglan sir you hit the nail on the head

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 28 Dec 2007, 15:57

ramarama, I have always been thinkng that our forum is one of the most decent gathering of people who are really interested in carnatic and hindustani music, who arrive in chennai every year for the music season, and those stationed in chennai, but your post about the discussion with beer and pakoda, has shaken my respect even without beer and pakoda, I HOPE IT IS FOR FUN ONLY gobilalitha

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 28 Dec 2007, 17:27

ramarama, i m surprised that you let out THE secret. i guess we should shift from luz from 2008...

ramarama · Post by **ramarama** » 28 Dec 2007, 17:59

So sorry that the mere mention of beer (or was it the pakoda) seemed to offend (note though that some of the most inspired music by both Carnatic and Hindustani musicians has sometimes been rendered under the influence). yes, i made up the part about the beer. and the pakoda part was not totally accurate. and perhaps i mentally substituted TNS for U K Sivaraman who was really the big consensus choice for double kalanidhi. It was mainly orange juice and idlis really - no onions in the sambar even, and no ghee on the idlis. And most people came straight from evening prayers at Kapali temple. And when i said drunken renditions, well, if you heard some of these rasikas.com posters sing, it might kind of sound like that - so it was more a descriptive sorta metaphor than being totally accurate. And i'm not sure i'm even ramarama.

And rb: no, no - not much point meeting elsewhere - the secret's out now anyway - that there is a cabal here which does not relish Hindolam as much as Hindolakumudakriya, Mohanam as much as Mohanasuddhabhairavi, and adi taalam as much as sankeerna jati dhruva taalam 0.75 eduppu. The original poster has busted the secret wide open and regardless of where we meet, it's over, it's all over. Unless we all move to a new forum someplace. Let's discuss this next November - same place. Save some idlis for me if i'm late from my prayers. And no ice in my orange juice please.

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 28 Dec 2007, 19:27

ramarama, i thought the drink always served without the ice.. (be it juice or otherwise)

a new forum, we'll dicuss that when we come to that.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 28 Dec 2007, 19:35

LOL, ramarama!
Dare I mention the name of the designated desert island where the rasikAs are going to meet late next year?Meanwhile, i hope you are all busy getting group discount 'bark' fare and are arranging the staging of a shipwreck. Meet you all on the island where subsistence consists of coconuts and spring water...

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 28 Dec 2007, 22:24

Arasi, may I add to your desert island idea with the suggestion that we conduct a Rasika Survivor (since Carnatic Idol has already been tried out and is stale), and eliminate one another day after day (we will have music challenges in place of physical ones, of course) ? The winner has exclusive privileges to deciding which artistes get reviewed and which ones are ignored and denigrated. That way there would be no need for these heated arguments we've apparently been having.

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 28 Dec 2007, 22:44

bilahari, we can let that guy decide who the sangeetha kalanidhi for the year would be.

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 28 Dec 2007, 23:16

Bharath, now that's a power lot's of people would want to have!

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 28 Dec 2007, 23:22

bilahari, thats something everybody would want to have a hold on, as well.

when u organise something, the bigger the prize is the better attraction u get right..

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 29 Dec 2007, 00:16

You can run but you can't hide!

A new forum is not going to be far enough. I'm afraid it's going to have to be a new city, a new country, and a different style of music!

But don't loose heart, folk: we've achieved super-power once: we can do it again.

Our first challenge is to find each other. It is obvious that we cannot reveal any details in pubic, or even inform each other of our chosen forum or user names.

It'll take time. Be patient, guys!

kernawtic · Post by **kernawtic** » 29 Dec 2007, 02:15

Sign me up for the beer ... I dont care who the sangeetha kalanidhi is ...

Oh, i love the "wonderful critics" of this "honourable forum"

dundubi · Post by **dundubi** » 31 Dec 2007, 11:33

balu wrote:why the wonderful critics inthis honourable forum donot review the concerts of sudha ragunathan,arunasairam,nithyasree and bombay jaisree.is their music so bad that they are not woth reviewing or since they are pulling huge crowds their music cannot be good. please throw some light.

since you ask, i attended sudha at music academy. the hindu review has very little correlation to the performance. her voice did not cooperate but she managed admirably. opposite of mr. v.subramaniam's review, her voice sounded good only in the middle not in the lower and upper stayis as he observed. opening vasudevacar mandari varnam and bilahari dasar items were rendered breathlessly. kshinamai in mukhari was fine. kalyani alapana was good in the middle. kamalambam bhajare was so-so. found sriranjani pallavi unattractive but i'm no rtp expert.

aruna sairams concert at the academy was impressive and along expected lines. voice was cooperative from the start. good kalyani and brisk vasudevayani. rangapuravihara, followed by main todi and kaddanuvariki. quite satisfying. ranjani pallavi with ragamalika sarams bhairavi, purvikalyani, hindolam, nilambari. usual abhang followed. overflowing audience. extra chairs had to be put in the ground floor and latecomers had to squeeze in with the camera men in the front.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 31 Dec 2007, 12:30

'dundubi muzhanga' (with the drum roll), 'engum' (everywhere) stampede--I would attend such a popular concert too I suppose, but for the stampede , stepping on feet and that claustrophobic wait in the lobby...

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 31 Dec 2007, 12:55

And the fire risks to which no-one gives a thought as they block up aisles with chairs and standing persons.

I really am not keen on carnatic music in big venues (saw Shashank at Kamaraj Memorial* the other day; actually pretty good considering the vast size of the place) as, to me, it is music to be personal with --- but this packing people into a small venue is worse.

*(I'm sure the guy who calmly told us three 'foreigners' that front seat tickets were Rs2,000 each, expecting us, no doubt, to buy spares to stretch out legs, was surprised at our reation.)