Sanjay Subrahmanyan on Feb 17, 2008 at Hamsadhvani, Chennai

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karthit
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Post by karthit »

Sanjay Subrahamanyan performed for Hamsadhvani Sabha at Adyar in Chennai on the 17th.
The accompaniments were:

Varadarajan - Violin
Neyveli Venkatesh - Mridangam
Sri Sundarkumar - Khanjira

Items rendered were:

1. Varnam - Saveri
2. Manavyaala - Nalinakanthi - Adi - Thyagaraja (R,S)
3. Soundararajam - Brindavana Saranga - Rupakam - Dikshitar
4. Thanigai Valar - Thodi - K.Chapu - Papansam Sivan (R,N,S)
5. Balasubramanya - Surati -Adi - Dikshitar (R,N,S,T)
6. Nannu ganna thalli - SindhuKaanada - Desadi - Thyagaraja
7. RTP - Patdeep - Tisra Triputa
Pallavi: Then pazhani vadivelane Deivaanai manaallane (If i remember right!)
8. Mayamma - Ahiri - Syama Sastri - Adi(2)
9. Dikku Theriyaadhu Kaatil - Ragamalika - Adi
10. Thillana - Kamas
Mangalam

Another concert of Sanjay that stood out as usual! It was an open air setting (partly covered) and there was a bit of disturbance throughout from the surroundings. However that never affected Sanjay's team in anyway and the music was quite sublime.
I am hearing his Nalinakanthi after quite a long time and the swaras that followed were quite brisk and fitting. And then came one of my favourites in Brindavana Saranga, a krithi that I truly admire for display of Dikshitar's supremacy in literature, history and music, all rolled into one! I have always been a big fan of Dikshitar's compositions and this one, I consider to be the epitome of brilliance.
To know more about the signficance of this krithi, there is a pretty good link:
http://nadhasudharasa.blogspot.com/2007 ... avana.html
As I mentioned after his IFAS concert in Dec that I dont get bored of listening to his thodis, he sang it once more and again with a bit of a difference! This is the 4th thodi of his I've heard in the last 5 months but I truly don't mind! However, Thanigai valar may not give you the after-effects of a Kaddanu Vaariki or a Daachukovalena! Surati was very elaborate, much more than the one at IFAS but he sang the same song! I was surely enjoying the concert but just got the feeling that something was missing! He then sang Nannu ganna thalli, a very pleasing one which I haven't heard anybody sing better than Balamurali but Sanjay rendered this one quite slow and nice.
And then came something like a shocker! An RTP in Patdeep! I was initially trying to figure out the raga and when I did, I thought the tukkada session had started and was a bit down! Later it went on and on and then I realised its probably an RTP! Hats off to this man who sang a raga like Patdeep so elaborately with such range and depth.
The notes employed in Patdeep hew to the 23rd Carnatic melakartA Gourimanohari: S R g M P D N. The rishaba and dhaivata are varjya in Arohana, thus making the scalar profile similar to that of Bhimpalasi with a shuddha nishAd. The crucial point is that Patdeep is carved out of the Dhanashree Raganga which means the pancham (and not the madhyam) gets top billing. Other artifacts of Dhanashree were also observed such as the P-g sangati.
It was a kind of a competition between Sanjay and PAtdeep whether Patdeep sounds great in itself without much effort in rendition or whether Sanjay was actually taking Patdeep to a new level altogether!!
Varadarajan has been a class act and it was such a pleasure listening to him. Barring for a few hiccups he played great music overall and he literally triggered some emotion when he played his version of Patdeep! The tone of his violin could easily let his music be classified as 'Meditation music'. It's so soft, soothing and pleasant.
Neyveli Venkatesh has been really complementing the brilliance of Sanjay's music and I think the accompaniment combo seems to be a neat fit.

What makes Sanjay different from others is that he always tries to render what is really beautiful about the music rather than what would appear beautiful to the common audience! Even after listening to Sanjay for the past 18 years (thats more than half my age!), I don't know why I still feel so excited each time I think of going for his concert. Even though his concert at the MA in Dec was a bit disappointing after I heard such a splendid concert at IFAS (tendulkar cant get a century everytime he goes out to bat!), the overall consistency in the quality of music in his concerts is something spectacular.

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Post by karthit »

Sorry! Missed the Maravakave O Manasa in Syaama, after the Thodi, which was another take-away for the day! Dont know how I missed that! Guess this is what happens when u get mesemerized by Sanjay's music!
Didnt realise somebody else would post this concert list at the sametime! Quite a co-incidence!

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Post by sridhar_ranga »

and a cracker of a review, bravo...i was waiting for a review to see the nuances only the experts see, and since no review was forthcoming decided to post the song list, hoping it would trigger off more reviews!

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Post by arasi »

sridhar_rang,
Thanks for the song list.
karthit,
maravakavE O manasA Sanjay sang, and you forgot! Thanks for a great review of the music which made you forget!
Yes, soundararAjam is a gem of a kruti and Sanjay sang it several times the year of the tsunami.
Vijay wrote 'once in a life time' paTdIp. I hope not. Looking forward to it next season...

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Post by s_hari »

Wow!! Patdeep is purely a hindustani raga, i suppose, there are no known krithis in carnatic classical, unlike other raagas like Jaunpuri, Bheemplas, Pilu etc, etc. Wondering how Sanjay gets his imagination to plan and present his concerts!! He is defintely in race of SK award soon((:-

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

Here is a composition by our Sri. Ramaraj in Patdeep: http://www.karnatik.com/c3522.shtml

And Patdeep was discussed in our forum a while back: http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=2338

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Spring cuckoo flies and also takes on the quality of vAyu putra! Thanks to you, Meena, Lakshman, Ravi and others for instant service...
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Post by karthit »

What I also forgot to mention was that Sanjay showed several Hindusthani prayogas in the pallavi, infact so strong that something i really got to hear for the first time in so many years. He had mentioned in one of his interviews that he has learnt Hindusthani music. Being the driver of innovation that he is, I would only hope that Sanjay would give us an exclusive Hindusthani concert sometime in the near future. He can surely give a few hindusthani musicians a run for their money if he really decides to get into it!

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Post by cienu »

karthit wrote:The notes employed in Patdeep hew to the 23rd Carnatic melakartA Gourimanohari: S R g M P D N. The rishaba and dhaivata are varjya in Arohana, thus making the scalar profile similar to that of Bhimpalasi with a shuddha nishAd. The crucial point is that Patdeep is carved out of the Dhanashree Raganga which means the pancham (and not the madhyam) gets top billing. Other artifacts of Dhanashree were also observed such as the P-g sangati.
Karthit,

At the outset , let me congratulate you for an excellent review. :) Really missing Sanjay's concerts.

Kindly correct me if I am wrong. Is Patadeep not a Janya Raga of the 22nd Carnatic Melakartha Kharaharapriya (& not 23rd Gowrimanohari) ?

However you are absolutely right when you say it is close to Dhanasree which is a janya raga of Natabhairavi & also Bhimplas. Infact the study of the Arohana and Avarohana of the 3 ragas tells you how close they actually are. as all have the same Aarohana !! Ofcourse the Prayogas would be different...

Patadeep:
22 kharaharapriyA janya
Aa:N2 S G2 M1 P N2 S
Av:S N2 D2 P M1 G2 R2 S N2 S G2 R2 S

bhimpalAs
22 kharaharapriyA janya
Aa N2 S G2 M1 P N2 S
Av: S N2 D2 P M1 G2 R2 S

dhanashrI
20 naTabhairavi janya
Aa: N2 S G2 M1 P N2 S
Av: S N2 D1 P M1 G2 R1 S
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Post by vijay »

Karthit's scholarly description of Patdeep obviates any further inputs from my side. In fact, although I could see that it was Abheri with N3, I had trouble identifying the raga until it was announced. I suppose this partly indicative of my ignorance (I have only vague memories of this raga) but also, I would like to believe, of Sanjay's faithfulness to tradition even while presenting a raga that is so Hindustani in character. (hardly any reference material in CM as far as I could see). One noticed this even during his Bageshri RTP at Kalarasana. If a certain musical direction that can be inferred from his recent concert lists, it is a very welcome one. Having imposed his stamp on the Vivadhi melas, why not go for the Hindustani ragas now?

Suruti was also another highlight (not so much the ktrithi as the alaapana and swaras) as were the swaras for Nalinakanthi. The rest was enjoyable enough but the best was clearly saved for the last. Mention must be made of Neyveli Venkatesh and Sree Sundar Kumar. It was one of those tanis that sprinkle a gentle reminder about the ocean that is laya before grabbing you for a few humiliating dunks in it, putting to sword, yet again, any fancy notions about having achieved laya gnanam!

Meanwhile, here's a request for recommended listening in Patdeep, vocal preferably...

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Post by vijay »

Cienu the version rendered by Sanjay was indeed a Janya of Gowrimanohari...the N3 stood out very distinctly. This is also, I believe, the version usually rendered in HM concerts. M1 P N3, N3 S D2 and M1 P G2 were some of the prayogas that were characteristic.

The version you mention is not very different from today's Abheri when we consider that NSGRS, NSGMP etc. are standard features of alaapanas in the raga these days! As such it would be very difficult to distinguish such a raga from Abheri.

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Post by prashant »

A gentle request to not keep perpetuating the misconception that the S G2 M1 P N2 S - S N2 D2 P M1 G2 R2 S is Abheri. It is karnATaka dEvagAndhAri or dEvagAndhAram as per the Dikshitar tradition.

"Today's Abheri" as sung by most musicians is not Abheri at all!

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Post by vijay »

True Prashant - which is why I mentioned "today's Abheri"...but perhaps the point deserved to be emphasized more strongly...

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Post by revanthv552 »

sanjay is really amazing.....
the other day read abt an rtp in jonpuri...
now in patadeep....

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Nice, Nice, Nice to finally see karthit on here...:)
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Post by karthit »

To clarify on that explanation on Patdeep, its not my interpretation! I just put it from my collection of descriptions of ragas from various sources!!

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Post by vinayo »

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/c ... rtist.180/
refers to LGJ playing patdeep in his KGS concert in 1967. It is listed as Meera bhajan. Is it a bhajan or LGJ's thillana?

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Post by vijay »

Thanks Arvind. In fact I listened to Basavaraj Rajguru's rendition on Parrikar's page after I got back on Sunday and it instantly cleared some mild confusion created by Karnatic.com (which denoted it as mentioned by Cienu) - although with the nishadam being as clear as it was, there was not much room for doubt in the first place.

I wish I could get hold of a more elaborate rendition though...

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Post by karthit »

vinayo, the patdeep ure talking about in LGJ's audio seems to sound very different! Could somebody clarify on that?

I think Vijay's analysis is very apt.
Some of the sangathis I can recollect by humming are

P..N3..S..N3..D2..P..M1..P..G2..M..P.....
N3..S..G2..R2..S..N3..D2..P..g2....
M1..P..N3..S.....N3..D2..P..g2...
M1P..G2M1P..

I think the short pauses between the swaras without strong gamakams is what clearly makes it look like not a part of Gowrimanohari and makes it a Hindusthani raga. So we can say its Gowrimanohari without (R2 + D2) in the Arohana. And the panchamam seems to be very powerful here, u can literally go and stand there for a while!
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Vijay - point taken! :-)

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Post by sureshvv »

my question is:

Why are more artists not emulating Sanjay's example but instead insist on singing chakkani one more time?

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Post by mohan »

sureshvv wrote:Why are more artists not emulating Sanjay's example but instead insist on singing chakkani one more time?
There are some rasikas who would think delving into Hindustani ragas is quite unnecessary when there is so much to be explored in the Carnatic realm.

Also, the various artistes cater for different audiences. Many audiences love to hear the items they are familiar with. If you inspect the request 'chits' which artistes get, there are always requests for items such as "Alaipayudhe" or "Nagumomu".

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Post by arasi »

While this performer explores unfamiliar rAgAS in his concerts, it should be noted that he does extensive explorations of traditional CM rAgAs as well, in the very same concerts. A jOnpuri was preceded by a pristine SankarAbharaNam which could have been another RTP.
Looking at this concert list, too, one can see what I mean...

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Post by vijay »

Quite true Arasi. In fact until Patdeep, the concert focused on very traditional carnatic ragas like Thodi, Syama, Suruti etc....and I wouldn't complain against those who sing Chakkani for the nth time either....such a krithi deserves to he heard a thousand times in a lifetime!

Although I love the idea of introducing HM ragas into CM, it wouldn't be a desirable development to abandon CM ragas either (although whether ragas are "CM" or "HM" or just a set of melodic ideas is debatable)...certainly ragas like Mukhari, Devagandhari, Saurashtram, Surati and so on are trasures unique to CM (and possibly not replicable in HM)...thankfully younger musicians, Sanjay included, are reviving these ragas with a vengeance!

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mohan wrote:There are some rasikas who would think delving into Hindustani ragas is quite unnecessary when there is so much to be explored in the Carnatic realm.
In response to my enthusiasm over a RTP (main) in Shubhapanthuvarali, I too have heard a similar line of thought from a couple of people. Apparently, they firmly believe that Carnatic ragas are to be explored in Carnatic kutcheris, such as during mains, RTPs and so on, while the HM side should strictly be confined to thukkadas and other light compositions.

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Post by arvindt »

I personally think we need both kinds of artists: those who explore the new and those
who explore and bring fresh ideas within the tradition. Of course, when you have
a two-in-one like Sanjay who performs both roles, what more can CM ask for?

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Post by s_hari »

very true, arvindt. One need to stick to kutcheri paddati & classical boundaries, while experimenting... I am all for it, and i respect Sanjay very much.. as he balances well on these aspects

-hari

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I wish I could get hold of a more elaborate rendition though
Vijay
Please ask your folks in B'lore to pick up a stunning album by Vinayak Torvi featuring Patdeep.available in b'lore stores.
Having said that , this radio recording is my all time favourite.
http://www.swarganga.org/raaga_details.php?raagid=151

Considering that I have come across only Bhimsen Joshi , Abdul halim Jafar Jhan, Ravishankar, Imrat Khan, Abdul Karim Khan, Chaurasia and Rashid Khan perform this for albums and radio over many many years, Sanjays effort is all the more praiseworthy.
Will try and put up a juicy portion of an Imrath TV rendering (video) later.
As far as setting ones coordinates are concerned , I have found Sivanand Patils rendering to be the ultimate.
As far as the most elaborate one is concerned, I will reserve Ravishankars track for our next Jam session.
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Cool,
What a crystal clear rendition of Patdeep!
Thank you!
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Thanks Coolji...shall download soon! Thanks for taking the trouble

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Post by sureshvv »

Forgive me but I find this "Hindistani" vs. "Traditional Carnatic" distinction both parochial and specious. Every raga sung in a carnatic kuchery is a Carnatic raga - when presented in the Carnatic medium (gamakas and all). Just because they may have originated from Hindustani some time ago doesn't make them any less "carnatic". Whether it is jonpuri, kapi, behag, patdeep or kambodhi - I am sure it sounds radically different from the way the Hindustani counterpart (even if it contains the same swaras) would sound.

As regards hearing chakkani one more time, my sentiment is probably because I attend a kuchery almost every day - sometimes two. so your mileage may vary :-)

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RAgAs are there to be explored. If a HM musician thinks that shaNmukapriyA is worth exploring--I have heard one in a concert, done in the hindustani way without diminishing the beauty of it, and also other rAgAs like hamsdhvani--I have no problem about that. The same way, a hindustAni rAgA can be sung in a CM concert without the performer drifting into the HM mode.
As for Patil's rendering, it evoked the CM side too, not that it matters. A chaste rendering like that can belong anywhere.
We don't bat an eye when sindhu bhairavi or a dES is presented in a concert. How did old timers react to them, I wonder. With us too, are we conditioned to think that such rAgAs belong only in the tail end of the concert?

Well, as for a cakkani rAJA, I can listen to the such classics many times, I don't deny. But sung by the same vocalist over and over can be a bit boring. Lyrics DO matter! If mOhanam is an artiste's favorite, we would like him to rotate the krutis--not mOhana rAmA every time. I think that in instrumental concerts it does not matter that much. It is simple. We do not like the same words and expressions repeated in every day conversation. So too, when it comes to same krutis, however magnificent they are, they can sound repetitive. We even comment on oft repeated rAgAs within a time period. Even a kalyANi main heard over and over again in a season makes us wish that they take up another rAgA for a main!

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i hope sanjay will give full fledged hm concert before the year end.the way in which rasikas are falling over heads to appreciate his hm ragas, soon they will enjoy only if he sings hm.loss to cm and gain to hm.if you really to go over places you have to sing hm.if you sing cm you will be known only southindia.probabaly sanjay is testing the waters. best of luck to sanjay to become ustad sanjay soon.

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Balu,
I don't foresee any such thing. I guess you are just dramatizing it for the fun of it!
CM taking new routes does not mean that it is going to get converted to HM!The twain meeting is a good thing--without giving up their own identity...

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Post by cienu »

I agree Arasi.

MD himself was a pioneer experimenter in this regard and his introduction of so many Hindustani ragas in his Carnatic compositions does not make him a Hindustani Composer as much as Sanjay now transforming into an Ustad :)
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Well said, Cienu...

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Post by vijay »

He cannot become an Ustad, he can only become a Pandit! And his Pandityam is obvious anyway...

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Post by arasi »

Isn't he already an ustAd, with several cElAs?

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cienu wrote:I agree Arasi.

MD himself was a pioneer experimenter in this regard and his introduction of so many Hindustani ragas in his Carnatic compositions does not make him a Hindustani Composer.... :)
Well, those Hindusthani ragas were taken out of their salwar-kameez and dressed in a 9-yards madisar sari by Sri Deekshithar. His compositions followed the traditional pallavi-anupallavi-charanam pattern too instead of being a one-line bandish.

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vijay wrote:He cannot become an Ustad, he can only become a Pandit! ...
Nothing is impossible to a man of Sanjay's talent. We have all seen him growing a beard and all that. Just a few words will make him an Ustad! :D

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Post by sureshvv »

harimau... with all due respect, you should google "samashti charanam" :-)

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In times when maDisAr is for models to wear in ads and for actresses on TV serials to sport, and when salwar kameez combo is as decent as a madisAr as opposed to modern day blouses for saris, one has to accept that it all happens in the natural passage of time. MD himself might have thought of his introducing HM rAgAs into CM as an innovation, an excercise for making new inroads. If so, he might be mighty disappointed to be thought of as a conservative when it came to rAgA exploration...

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But sung by the same vocalist over and over can be a bit boring.
Perhaps, although, I think it depends quite a lot on the artist, and the composition or 'classic' itself. There are quite a few instances where audiences have generally never grew tired or bored of hearing the same compositions being rendered by the same vocalist. The same can be said about certain ragas.
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Post by jnaanasoonyam »

sureshvv wrote:Why are more artists not emulating Sanjay's example but instead insist on singing chakkani one more time?
It's quite alright to worship your idol and think that everyone must emulate him... but pause for a moment and think whether this (singing an RTP in a Hindustani oriented raga) really warrants such hype, especially when it's something that has been done - quite successfully - by others. I can quote several instances where the Voletis, the TNSs and the Neyvelis have sung RTPs and elaborate alapanas in such ragas. Jonpuri itself was polished off quite handily by Smt. Sowmya in an RTP a few years back. Making a hue and cry over every trivial experiment by a Sanjay or a TMK is quite demeaning to the legions of other capable artistes that grace our music firmament.

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Post by sureshvv »

Hmm... looks like you don't like my example... Let me try to rephrase the question:

Why are more artists not emulating Shri Voleti garu ji's example but insist on singing enduku peddala one more time?

:-)

If you are stumped let me know and I might hazard a guess.

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Post by sureshvv »

And really it is not about Hindustani ragas at all... Last fall Komalangi was taken up for an elaborate RTP which the artist very humbly explained was inspired from a Dandapani Desikar's krithi popular from the previous generation! And the raga sounded glorious (occupying that sweet spot between Hindolam and Charukesi to my ear). So there are plenty of rare gems all around for someone willing to take that extra effort to dig them out, dust them off and present it for the appreciative jaded rasikas like me!

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Post by sureshvv »

And of course TNS, Neyveli and Sowmya are fabulous artists... I did not mean to "demean" any of them... TNS is probably the most creative and spontaneous artiste I have had the privilege to hear live (Unfortunately I have not had a chance to hear Voleti) and I have never been disappointed after even one of the more than few dozen of Sowmya's concerts I have been at over the years...

But just wanting to present a Komalangi or a Patdeep for the rasika needs that little extra bit of caring - like when my wife packs a hide-and-seek cookie along wiith lunch - and pardon me for "hyping" the "trivial experiment" - I would be thrilled if 1 or 2 more artists follow this lead.

But it is happening. Kudos to Sikkil Gurucharan for taking up Nasikabhushani and then Natabhairavi for detailed alapana last week. And to top it, he chose "Chetula" the Thyagaraja krithi and sang it in Natabhairavi with great aplomb.

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balu wrote:i hope sanjay will give full fledged hm concert before the year end.the way in which rasikas are falling over heads to appreciate his hm ragas, soon they will enjoy only if he sings hm.loss to cm and gain to hm.if you really to go over places you have to sing hm.if you sing cm you will be known only southindia.probabaly sanjay is testing the waters. best of luck to sanjay to become ustad sanjay soon.
If Sanjay Bhagavathar becomes Pandit Sanjay and switches over to Hindusthani Sangeet, at least we will be spared his cribbing about how Carnatic musicians are not being paid on the same scale as Hindusthani musicians. :P

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sureshvv wrote:harimau... with all due respect, you should google "samashti charanam" :-)
When writing "pallavi-anupallavi-charanam" I hesitated and decided against adding "and/or pallavi-samashi charanam".

However, even in pallavai-samashti charanam format, Deekshithar's compositions are nowhere near the one line bandishes of the North which was the point I was driving at. :cool:

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