andi mayangudadi

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 01 Apr 2008, 02:35

Recently, I came across the following clip and I was reminded of a discussion we had more than a year ago:

http://www.sangeethamshare.org/sathya/0 ... i_Adhi.mp3

This is a clip of Keyboard Satya playing one of my favorite MLV-film numbers (made all the more delectable because of Kamala Lakshman's dancing as the Ayana Sirpi's daughter, SivakAmI).

You will find MLV's version here: http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/MAb ... As1NMvHdW/

The previous discussion we had is at http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1603, specifically, posts # 63 to 67. I had contended that this song was in kalyANI, but Arasi, DRS and Ramakriya disagreed.

arasi wrote:Ravi,
andi mayangudaDi is in yamunA kalyANi, I thought.

Is Satya's version different from MLV's? Or has he wrongly called the rAga of his version as kalyANI?

Experts, please analyse and enlighten!

Thanks.

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 01 Apr 2008, 03:08

the keyboard version sounds kalyani and think same as MLV's

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 01 Apr 2008, 04:15

While the general flow is like kalyANi it does employ suddha-madyamam (vaNNa mayilinilE - the second time it is occured at each section - ma of the mayilinile) - that would be only yamuna-kalyani. But besides that part it seems like kalyANi. I dont know much about intricacies of yamunakalyani i.e. can you just add m1(i.e. ykalyani prayoga) to standard kalyani prayogas and get yamuna kalyANi? If not, i guess this would miSra kalyANi

Arun

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 01 Apr 2008, 04:41

Arun,
Interesting that you say that. Because those words--vaNNa mayilE, vaNNa mayilE! made me think that it was YK. Incidentally, she addresses the peacock.

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 01 Apr 2008, 05:13

oops. Thanks arasi. Talk about selective defective hearing

!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 01 Apr 2008, 06:43

Both sound quite kalyani for me. The MLV song is quite similar to the 'pollAtthanatthai enna solvEn kaNNA..' she sang in the movie PeN which is a clasical kalyANi used for dance quite often!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 01 Apr 2008, 06:44

arasi
What is the connection between YK and mayil?

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 01 Apr 2008, 06:46

Ah, the luxury of having 'selective' defective hearing! Wait until you are my age to experience plain old (yes!) 'defective' hearing. You have a lo...ng way to go!

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 01 Apr 2008, 06:58

- but you heard it correctly as mayilE - so not totally defective by any means

cml - arasi means that she was able to guess the raga as YK she heard that mayilE, mayilE phrase - i.e. *musically* as opposed to a lyrical connection.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 01 Apr 2008, 07:18

cmlover wrote:The MLV song is quite similar to the 'pollAtthanatthai enna solvEn kaNNA..' she sang in the movie PeN which is a clasical kalyANi used for dance quite often!

CML - 'pollAtanattai yenna SolvEn kaNNA ini pOdum malar kaNNanE' was sung by Jikki! And it is kalyANI...

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 01 Apr 2008, 07:22

As for me I do not have a 'defective hearing'. I have a hearing which is defective since it is deficient

But I won't quit listening to CM even if I get stone-deaf

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 01 Apr 2008, 07:33

well, can andhi mayakkam be due to some other reason?pollAtanattai enna solven kanna.. gobilalitha

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 01 Apr 2008, 07:52

Gobilalitha,

I understand the lyrics as: it is getting to be evening (turning into night).

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 01 Apr 2008, 19:04

Thanks Shankar. That was my favourite KalyANi and I have seen it choreographed very nicely. Interestingly in the movie KaNNan is an adult and the 'pollaatthanam' is actually 'chil viShamam'

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 02 Apr 2008, 23:16

cmlover wrote:Thanks Shankar. That was my favourite KalyANi and I have seen it choreographed very nicely.

It is also one of my favorites, and it took me a long time to find a recording. A few years ago, I had searched for the song (songs from peNN in general) in vain in many stores in Madras. I forgot all about it, when, on a trip to Paris, I visited a samll locality in that city (I think it was called 'Petit Pondicherry' or something to that effect) where ex-pats from the former French colony of Pondicherry had settled down in - and I found this and many other songs/cassettes in shops there! It was a strange experience - billboards in French and tamizh - the funny Pondy tamizh! Anyway, it is a place in Paris where one can eat authentic masAla dOsa and drink South Indian filter coffee!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 03 Apr 2008, 00:09

I'll make a note of this and pass it on to my son who loves to visit Paris any time. I did meet a lot of Tamils there last time I visited.
Maybe you know that the music in PeNN was orchestrated by S Balachandar who also acted in that movie!

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 03 Apr 2008, 00:23

I did not know he acted in it!

knrh05 · Post by **knrh05** » 03 Apr 2008, 02:53

rshankar wrote:
cmlover wrote:The MLV song is quite similar to the 'pollAtthanatthai enna solvEn kaNNA..' she sang in the movie PeN which is a clasical kalyANi used for dance quite often!
CML - 'pollAtanattai yenna SolvEn kaNNA ini pOdum malar kaNNanE' was sung by Jikki! And it is kalyANI...

The singer is TS Bhagavathi.

Here's a link to this fabulous song - http://www.mediafire.com/?gyxnb9gcv9b

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 03 Apr 2008, 03:17

Thanks. I stand corrected.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 03 Apr 2008, 03:34

knrh05 wrote:The singer is TS Bhagavathi.

Not on the cassette I have!

knrh05 · Post by **knrh05** » 03 Apr 2008, 05:49

I can assure you it is TS Bhagavathi. You'll recognize the voice if you listen to some of her famous songs from Parasakthi - http://www.bollywoodsargam.com/bollywoo ... tamil+film

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 02 Jun 2008, 03:52

Going back to the topic of the original thread, here is the original from pArtibhan kanavu:

http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=-VJkq7PmvBI&NR=1

As a bonus, here is a vision of lovely Vyjayantimala from the same movie:

http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=ukV67q6s_g0&NR=1

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 02 Jun 2008, 08:33

Ravi,
That was a nostalgic trip. You would agree that this was after all a cinema number and those who haven't seen Kamala in a traditional performance wouldn't realize how tremendously talented she was. It was odd to see her move here on her feet like an actress who learnt a few steps to do the number! Was it the dance direction? Her foot work on stage was something else. Baby Kamala, then Kumari Kamala, was one great gift to bharathanATyam. To us then, Vyjayanthi was tall and beautiful but Kamala reigned supreme...

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 30 May 2011, 05:26

The original clip for andi mayangudaDi by (Kum) Kamala was removed by the uploader. I came across a new clip that was posted a few months ago, and thought I'd post it again, and revive some nostalgic memories: http://www.youtube.com/user/kvammayi#p/u/12/za4MxqK4ZI4

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 30 May 2011, 06:00

Thanks Ravi.

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 30 May 2011, 21:29

arunk wrote:
While the general flow is like kalyANi it does employ suddha-madyamam (vaNNa mayilinilE - the second time it is occured at each section - ma of the mayilinile) - that would be only yamuna-kalyani. But besides that part it seems like kalyANi. I dont know much about intricacies of yamunakalyani i.e. can you just add m1(i.e. ykalyani prayoga) to standard kalyani prayogas and get yamuna kalyANi? If not, i guess this would miSra kalyANi

Arun

Some three years ago, I attended a lec-dem at the Sri Parthasarathy Swami Sabha during the December season.

The subject was ragas common to the Hindusthani and Carnatic traditions.

Specifically, Yamunakalyani was taken as one of the common ragas. The speaker (I am sorry I have forgotten her name but it could have been Ritha Rajan, Dr M B Vedavalli or Dr R Vedavalli) said how the original Yamunakalyani in the Carnatic tradition is 95% Kalyani with only a very small deviation. As evidence, she pointed out the krithi "Jambupathe" by Sri Muthuswami Deekshithar. She said the Yamunakalyani one hears in "Krishna Nee Begane Baro" is a Mysore version of the raga which is somewhere between the original Carnatic version of the raga and the Hindusthani version of it.

One should listen to "Jambupathe" as sung by Sri D K Jayaraman or Smt Seetha Rajan and her students to get the right version of the raga as employed by Sri Deekshithar. Smt Raji Gopalakrishnan sings it employing the "Krishna Nee Begane Baro" version of Yamunakalyani.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 31 May 2011, 01:16

Harimau,
Thanks for the info. This makes me stop speculating.
For someone who goes by rAga bhAvam rather than svara patterns, for one who loves yamunA kalyANi and its pathos, what you say is good enough!

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 31 May 2011, 06:36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Giti8nKNMaw

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