identify shruti pls

balchand · Post by **balchand** » 11 May 2008, 08:16

hi, could anyone tell me what is the shruti of this song? I guess 5.5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okQUQqEYChk

regs
bala

sammukeshav · Post by **sammukeshav** » 11 May 2008, 12:17

dear mr bala, i think it's rendered in C which is 1 (kattai).

Samrakshana

balchand · Post by **balchand** » 11 May 2008, 21:16

thank you samrakshana

bala

ganesh_mourthy · Post by **ganesh_mourthy** » 12 May 2008, 08:59

whaaaaaaat? MS rendering in 1 kattai ?????????????????????????

sammukeshav · Post by **sammukeshav** » 12 May 2008, 13:08

yeh, i tht that too. Too high for me to sing in, but when i chkd the shruthi with my pitch pipe while MS was singing, i figured that it was sung in C.

cheers, Samrakshana

cienu · Post by **cienu** » 12 May 2008, 16:36

The Sruthi is G, which is 5 Kattai , but set to Madhyama Shruthi. Which means the base note is now Shuddha Madhyama
However Samrakshana is also right in her own way as this Shruti is the same as 1 kattai shadjamam (or mel shadjamam to be precise - and hence the Shruti is indeed very high)

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 12 May 2008, 21:49

Right. When a 5 (G) kattai person shifts to madhyama sruthi, what is done is to shift up further by 3 kattai. which brings it to 8 kattai which is same as 1 kattai in the next higher octave.

Now that we know 5+3 = 8 in kattai arithmetic, here is a a quiz in that kattai arithmetic:
A guru has two students. One sings normally at 4.5 kattai and the other normally sings at 5 kattai.
For a particular song that does not go up too much into higher swaras, the guru asks both of them to sing at 2.5 kattai higher.
What are the new kattai values for the two students for this song?

ganesh_mourthy · Post by **ganesh_mourthy** » 13 May 2008, 08:54

vasanthakokilam , the simple arithmetic makes that 7 and 7.5. but yu would say that it is wrong. so answer, please.

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 13 May 2008, 09:08

1 and 1.5 ?

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 13 May 2008, 11:47

That was a trick question to illustrate that kattai arithmetic is tricky.

If increasing the sruthi by 3 kattai gets one to Madhyama sruthi, increasing by 2.5 kattai will be half a kattai less than Madhyamam which does not exist. So the teacher should not really be asking the disciples to do such things

Interestingly, if you force yourself to calculate using a piano or harmonium keyboard, you will get the following odd answers: For the disciple at 5 kattai, raising the sruthi by 2.5 kattai does not work at all since it will get one to 7.5 kattai which does not exist. For the disciple with 4.5 kattai, raising the sruthi by 2.5 kattai will get one to 6.5 which does exist!! ( which contradicts the general answer above ). All these problems exist in kattai arithmetic because a full kattai increment represents a full tone sometimes and half a tone other times.

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 13 May 2008, 11:57

Great example
The available kattai-s are 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 4, 4.5, 5, 5.5, 6, 6.5, 7 which correspond to
C, C#, D, D#, E, F, F3, G, G#, A, A# and B

What do they call sruthis below 1? eg. MDR's?