Dr. Shrikaanth K Murthy

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 02:02

drshrikaanth Posted: 04 Apr 2006 01:22 am

kOkilArava is the 11th asampUrNa mELa, the sampUrNa equivalent being kOkilapriya. Its scale is

SR1M1,PD2N3S* | S*ND,PMG2,R,S ||

M is a very good nyAsa. N and D can also be nyAsas. The handling of swaras in uttarAnga is akin to that in gaurimanOhari. Phrases such as "PG,RS", "PMD," sound good in the rAga. dIrgha madhyama, and dIrgha gAndhAra bring out the swarUpa of rAga effectively. Other swaras can also be elongated as necessary. This give ample facility and scope for elaboratin the rAga. And with no vakra sancAras included in the scale, the elaboration is not difficult. The rAga evokes SOka and bhakti which is accentuated by the elongated and oscillated G (as in tODi). In the scale, as we sing "SRM,", there is a grave feeling in the ar, "PDN~," introduces an urgency to it while "PMG," clinches the SOka aspect. D offers good contrast and especially when elongated and swung, introduces hAsya rasa.
Due to these reasons, I felt it apt for a nindA stuti where there is a sadness at being ignored by rAma and a derision as well, saying "Knowing you well enough, What more could I expect of you?". The undercurrent of bhakti is of course always there.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 02:03

drshrikaanth

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The raaga was clear when you were using prayogas like ma pa da Ni, Ni Da pa Ma may be because of the distinctive handling of Nishaadha (N3) (atleast thats what I thought...) I take it that it is the jeeva swara of the raaga. However, when you used Gaandhara it gave a hint of thodi... . Also, when you were coming down with Ma Ga Ri, it slightly(very very little) resembled Bhanumathi(4th mela in Dikshitar's system)... is that because of same Da2 Pa ma1 Ga2 Ri2 combination common to both the raagas? ---

Most of your observations are correct.
bhAnumati uses the Suddha gANdhAra while sAdhAraNa gANdhAra occurs in kOkilArva. I guess tODi was the comon factor that led you to connect these 2 rAgas. The gANdhAra in tODi is handled in so many different ways, which at times forays into the territory of G1.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 02:04

drshrikaanth Posted: 04 Apr 2006 01:47 am

I composed the krti on 26/12/2003. I have previously explained reasons for the choice of rAga and context. The kRti is a nindAstuti i.e praise in the form of derision/sarcasm. Although on forst sight, rAma`s actions and qualities are made fun of, these very action show the greatness of rAma in not being swayed by the vicissitudes of life, in his control over the ariShaDvarga(kAma, krOdha, lObha, mOha, mada, matsara) and in his behaviour as an ideal son, brother , husband and king. He is the epitome of dharma that is upheld with no compromise at any cost.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 02:08

cmlover Posted: 04 Apr 2006 04:30 am

DRS

Now I can ask you my question. kokilaaravam is precisely same as the 11th sampoorna meLakarta kOkilapriya. Is the SRM prayOgam allowed in kOkilapriya? I notice it being used liberally in your rendering and in the aalaapana too (?) which is perhaps I feel a difference in your approach vs TNS. I am guessing that the sampurna and asampoorna will sound quite different. We do not have a song in kOkilapriya to verify but would like your expert opinion. I would also love to see your notations to see how you are using the SRM (which introduces the tension) and the effective use of PDN and the PMG (denoumont). I am afraid I never got the feeling of Todi at all except for a fleeting moment during the aalaapana. The todi gamakams are not al all present and the song and swaraprastaaram are distinctly different. But it is clear that he raga cannot be elaborated and will get monotonous if stretched beyond limits.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 02:09

cmlover Posted: 04 Apr 2006 05:55 am

here is kokilapriya (11th sampoorna meLa) by Nookula Chinna satyam
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/m4x ... As1NMvHdW/

Note how different it is (of course no shadow of todi either!)

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 02:16

Phew!

That was tough. I can understand how difficult it would have been for srkris to restore the old oDeyar thread.
Thanks to cmlover for supplying me with all the posts uptodate so that I could restore.
Now that we have all posts up to date, the discussions can continue. Though I will need a long rest now.

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 10 Apr 2006, 02:30

Thanks DRS, for doing it this time.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 10 Apr 2006, 04:36

DRS

I am not going to ask you how many hours you spent on this restoration! But this is indeed a labour of love! We could have continued without the 'garland-man' episode; but that is the high point of our emotions I certainly would hate to lose tham in spite of my having the back up. We need everyone (including future visitors to know how much the garland-man needed his consumers as do the consumers him - a matter of excellent symbiosis (perhaps even a 'hyperthymic' stimulus to your 'creative juice').

Now please post the notations for the kokilArava 'rAm unkokilla' after a full recovery

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 10 Apr 2006, 05:44

------We could have continued without the 'garland-man' episode; but that is the high point of our emotions I certainly would hate to lose tham in spite of my having the back up. We need everyone (including future visitors to know how much the garland-man needed his consumers as do the consumers him - a matter of excellent symbiosis (perhaps even a 'hyperthymic' stimulus to your 'creative juice').----

You have got the wrong end of the stick. Kindly do not reduce this to a retailer-consumer transaction.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 10 Apr 2006, 06:26

I didn't expect a response from you

(nor were my comments directed at you!)
jihmagAn mayA prahitAn tIkShaNa sharaH |
(my sharp arrow has falsely gone (missed its target!))

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 10 Apr 2006, 19:09

????????

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 10 Apr 2006, 19:52

OK! I was too cryptic! My language was too flowery! I did not mean any 'economic transaction' between us and the'garland-maker'. That is why I alluded to the 'emotional bond'. The word 'consumer' was a wrong choice, maybe even crass, but I could not find any vocabulary other than 'devotional'; but one does not have to be 'bhakti-oriented' to enjoy this 'musical experience'. In summary, there has to be a two-way transaction (again perhaps a wrong word!) for this relationship to continue as 'DRS' has indicated his unwillinness to continue (rightly) a monologue. Unlike other sites, this one in particular is NOT a dumb u/l d/l site. We have to do our homework listening, analyzing and 'critiquing' the u/l every time. All current and future visitors should be aware of this fact!

(DRS pl don't comment since this is intended for debate only among Rasikas!).

Now we can move on whenever you are ready!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 10 Apr 2006, 20:10

'jihmagAn mayA prahitAn tIkShaNa sharaH | '
is the poignant allusion to the arrow shot by Dasharata to kill the elephant which by mistake killed the son of a poor brahmin that led to the curse of his grievous separation form Rama; one of the causes of Ramayana itself!
That would even justify if you (take liberty) and sing:
'appa dasharata maruga..' in place of 'ambA kausalya maruga ..' in the caraNam!

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 10 Apr 2006, 20:39

CML
That was a good quote. Why is DRS not willing for the discussion anymore?

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 10 Apr 2006, 20:47

I am sure he is ready for any discussions. But the 'garland-maker' issue is only for the Rasikas. We have the commitment to show him that we understand and appreciate the posts and the explanations.

Now we all owe him a big debt of gratitude for restoring this and JC thread to pristine glory!

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 10 Apr 2006, 21:17

CML
Thats true. Amazing that DRS and You have got back ups for the the threads otherwise we would all loose this precious info and discussion. We all owe both of you a massive debt..

DRS
All of us do appreciate your discussions and postings. From now on we will all make it a point to participate and discuss the postings

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 10 Apr 2006, 22:00

Thanks for restoring the "Garland-maker"(sounds like a movie name!)
I was away from 1-5 April at a conf. and was lost when I couldn't log-in when I came back. Now I can read what I missed.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 11 Apr 2006, 06:02

Notation for rAma unkOkilla, kOkilARava

http://rapidshare.de/files/17698116/rAm ... y.pdf.html

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 11 Apr 2006, 06:11

Now I can ask you my question. kokilaaravam is precisely same as the 11th sampoorna meLakarta kOkilapriya. Is the SRM prayOgam allowed in kOkilapriya? I notice it being used liberally in your rendering and in the aalaapana too (?) which is perhaps I feel a difference in your approach vs TNS. I am guessing that the sampurna and asampoorna will sound quite different. We do not have a song in kOkilapriya to verify but would like your expert opinion.-------

--- But it is clear that he raga cannot be elaborated and will get monotonous if stretched beyond limits.

I am puzzled by what you write. Why do you say kOkilArava is the same as kokilapriya? It is not. An occaional "SRM" may be seen in kOkilapriya but a complete eschewal of G from ascent will result in kOkilArava and NOT kOkilapriya.
And also, kOkilArava can certainly be elaborated as I have mentioned earlier. If handled well, it will not sound monotonous.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 11 Apr 2006, 06:12

A rendering of kOkilapriya.

http://tinyurl.com/p4qcp

ALso, oDeyar`s mAlayata manjulavAgvilAsAm in kOkilapriya was doing the rounds recently. I am sure many of you have it.(rendered by KVN)

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 11 Apr 2006, 06:43

CML
The version of kOkilapriya by Nookala Chinna satyanatayana that you posted from MIO is odd in the treatment of gAndhAra. He sings it plain without gamaka, similar to gAndhAra in say SubhapantuvarALi or dhEnuka. Iam afraid this is not seen in anybody else`s rendering and ill-suits the rAga.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 11 Apr 2006, 09:05

ALso, oDeyar`s mAlayata manjulavAgvilAsAm in kOkilapriya was doing the rounds recently. I am sure many of you have it.(rendered by KVN)

I do not have it. Where did it make the rounds? In the oDeyar thread here or some other site?

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 11 Apr 2006, 09:20

Thanks DRS for the notations. My queries arise from the unfamiliarity with the asampoorNa mELa system. My vague feeling was that it is closely related to the venkata mahi sampoorNa system with some minor variations. I convinced myself that it is almost like a 'janya' raga from the sampoorNa system, but nobody has ever stated so. The more I get exposed to the MD paddhati through your songs and explantions the more I learn and the more are the confusions. T and MD were propogating the same CM at the same point in time. Apart from the major ragas all the rest of MD sound different (I may even say more logical since the moorchana captures the essence of the raga itself). Since there are a few besides me who are interested in the difference between the two system I would entreat you to give us a short lecture(s) to orient us so that we can appreciate these 'rare' ragas with a thorough understanding. Pl take your time.

Folks! If there are other among you (I know vk for one) who like to learn more please add to my chorus

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 11 Apr 2006, 09:38

I second vk!

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 11 Apr 2006, 10:35

I second CML.

Actually, the very little I know about asampoorna mela is from DRS in this thread. SRS, so I will join the chorus of CML for you to write about that.

The other interesting thing CML wrote there is about the differences in raga handling of MD, T and SS. That is probably a separate thread but that can take us through quite a journey depending on the participation and sharing of knowledge of the members.

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 11 Apr 2006, 13:22

DRS
I second CML and VK
As such we dont have much info on asampoorna mela system . Its from your thread Iam getting a faint idea about it. Would be really good if you can give us a wee lecture about it. Helps us all appreacite the system better...

Also a wee little lecture on how the trinity used the raagas in different ways would be good(Of course with a few examples

)

resvap · Post by **resvap** » 11 Apr 2006, 23:01

I am eagarly waiting for your valuble lecture.
Thanks

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 14 Apr 2006, 02:01

I have posted the KVN recording I mentioned earlier, in the oDeyar thread for discussing next.-mAnayata manjuLavAgvilAsAm in kOkilapriya.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 14 Apr 2006, 03:26

Thanks!

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 14 Apr 2006, 12:36

Happy New Year for those who celebrate today!

This thread is quiet...so you may listen to my humble attempt of DRS kriti in rAgacUdAmani. There are lapses...due to "recording fear"which I terribly suffer and offcourse I haven't mastered this raga yet.

http://rapidshare.de/files/17961571/rAg ... m.mp3.html

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 14 Apr 2006, 16:01

ellOrukkum iniya puttANDu vAzhttukkaL. ivvANDu nammanaivarukkum nanmai pozhindu valamai perukkuga!

suji Ram, thanks for posting your attempt. Keep it up. This is a good way of getting over your fear! Your perseverance will surely pay rich returns.

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 14 Apr 2006, 17:48

Suji Ram, DRS
Thanks both of your posting the clips

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 17 Apr 2006, 06:23

Just started reading this thread! Some great compositions DRS!

Can I suggest for notation that the Swaram font is used. It can be downloaded at http://www.carnaticcorner.com/fonts/carnatic-fonts.zip

There is a readme file within the zip file that explains how to use the fonts.

When you make a PDF file, you can embed these fonts in the file so that others can view it. An example of these fonts in use is at
http://www.carnaticcorner.com/articles/bhavayami.pdf

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 17 Apr 2006, 07:33

very nice mohan!

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 17 Apr 2006, 08:17

Nicely done Mohan. The picture illustrations create the Ramayana context as I scanned through the lyrics with MSS playing in my head.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 17 Apr 2006, 14:11

Thanks Mohan. The PDF file of notation for bhAvayAmi is very nice. Please continue to participate in the discussions.

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 17 Apr 2006, 16:40

Mohan!!!
That was very nice. Fonts will come handy.
Thank you very much

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 19 Apr 2006, 06:11

After a long gap, here I present a suLAdi- rAmAyaNa mangaLarAgamAlikA suLAdi. I have also included lecdem on suLAdi initially. Trust the suLAdi brings magaLa to all those who listen and render it.

http://rapidshare.de/files/18367136/rAm ... y.wma.html

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 19 Apr 2006, 10:15

WoW! It was worth the long wait! Garland-maker has used the seven choice flowers to fashion a divine MangaLa Ragamaalika for Lord Rama. I had as much thrill as I heard first SSI rendering 'Bhavayami' in an arangetram. This is a rare gem to be relished slowly with the oillamp burning in a subdued divine atmosphere. Superb vocal support by Sahana! My congratulations to her! You have revived an ancient art form (one I have not heard before). The background information on sULAdi is very enlightening going back to almost the origins of CM as we know it today. I have to listen to it more carefully! Thank you for sharing this saptaratna with us and I will not be surprised at all if one of these days I hear it rendered on the concert platform! Again this is a choice contribution to the Kannada treasury and I invoke the blessings of the dasas through the ages to inspire you for prolonged contributions to CM and the literary hoards!

AyuShmAn bhava| tava jAyA dIrga sumangalI bhava|

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 19 Apr 2006, 14:27

DRS
Glad that you eventually got round to giving us yet another beautiful garland

It is first time that Iam listening to a raagamalika like this. It will take me a while to understand it. Congrats to your spouse for her very good vocal support. Also, thanks for the Lec Dem...

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 20 Apr 2006, 01:01

DRS,
Very nice!! I was going to ask if you composed RagamAlika!
I am still listening ..not paid attention to words so far... but can say it has Sri, vasanta, mohanam, surutti...

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 20 Apr 2006, 01:05

DRS,
WONDERFUL!!
This one will take a lot longer to understand! The mangaLa rAgams are really very soothing. On a first listen, the language seems to be sankEti (if I am correct, then, after Annamacharya, yours will be next suLadi not in kannadA, right???). Also, the composition reminds me of SSI's tuing of ST's BAvayAmi raGurAmam at first glance/listen!
Ravi

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 20 Apr 2006, 01:12

This composition reminds me of MDs, Sri Vishwanatham Bhajeham..

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 20 Apr 2006, 07:05

Suji - yes I had the same feeling!

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 21 Apr 2006, 16:42

mAtu for rAmAyaNa mangaLarAgamAlikA suLAdi
rAga- SrIrAga; (caturaSra jAti) dhruva tALa

dA SrI rAmacandru varaNA | dayavaccu^ sadA jotayiraNA ||
ASrayu kuDarAlamaru kaNA | Aha kArmugilattahavu~n kaNA ||

bAla kANDa
rAga- dhanyAsi; (caturaSra jAti) maThya tALa

mArIca subAhauva | maTTi yAgu bharicavu~n ||
nArImaNikaNTina | naSiyAdaghu taricavu~n ||
gaurISa dhanuSa caTa | khaTapaTa a^Na moricavu~n ||
sIrAnkaje dhanyA | sItaya tA~n varicavu~n ||

ayOdhyA kANDa
rAga- vasanta; (caturaSra jAti) rUpaka tALa

pitanappaNa tappAdhuDi | vesanu paDAde naDandavu~n ||
satiya lakShmaNanayu tande | sangu aLacaDavi sandavu~n ||
miti mIrina rUpakAnti | meraya guhanpaDe vandavu~n ||
Satu alaca bharatandaLuva | santayicu kerapa tandavu~n ||

araNya kANDa
rAga- asAvEri; (miSrajAti) jhampe tALa

tunga RShi kuDuta dhanu | tUNIru koNDavu~n ||
cangalasuri lAlase | bhangugai a^NDavu~n ||
binga mRgatAyasA | vEriScu koNDavu~n ||
a^ngu sati kANAde | halubi jompa uNDavu~n ||

kiShkindA kANDa
rAga- mOhana; (triSra jAti) tripuTa tALa

anuju saumitrivoDane mOhana supampeku^ vandavu~n - ravi- ||
tanuju sakhana^NToppi avande | tammayyana kondavu~n - ka^Du- ||
danuju maDadiya kaddu muccinataNNu kodikodi vendavu~n - pavana- ||
tanuju jananiku^ sUcipiya gurutAha unguru tandavu~n ivu~n ||

sundara kANDa
rAga saurAShTra; (khaNda jAti) aTa tALa

Sanka illAdanila sUnuva | Saradhi phAra huri heppinavu~n ||
lanka iDi kallOlu paNNi swa- | rAShTru vandavana appinavu~n ||
jinka jAnakikAna aTTuLi | cittu naTTaDaku tappinavu~n ||
sankEtamAna cUDAmaNi | sOnki savari edekappinavu~n ||

yuddha kANDa
rAga- suraTi; (caturaSra jAti) Eka tALa

vara kapisEnA balu kaTTinavu~n ||
uruva vibhIShaNanukka^TTinavu~n ||
Saranidhike pAlu | sale kaTTinavu~n ||
ciri rAvaNande | SirasuruTinavu~n ||
eri puTamiTTavaDeda ALinavu~n ||
vara rAmESvaru paLi SILinavu~n ||
maraLi muDi cUTi | arasALinavu~n ||
dharekEkamEva | SirikAntanivu~n ||

jote
rAga- SrIrAga; (triSra jAti) tripuTa tALa

dharumu masuLAdira paravaNA ||
karuNa jota mangaLu coriyaNA ||

kiransurya · Post by **kiransurya** » 21 Apr 2006, 20:18

DRS
Though I dont know the language(Well, I could make out the meaning in bits and bobs), I can tell that its a thing of beauty and bhava.
Reminds me of Bhavayaami and M.S Subbulakshmi`s Naama Raamayana..

I take my Hats off to you

Kindly post the meaning and notation in your own time

May God bless you...........

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 21 Apr 2006, 20:25

DRS,
GREAT! This is fantastic stuff, and we are indeed privileged.

Thank you!
Ravi

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 21 Apr 2006, 20:56

Hey
I expected you to hold out for a while

I was going to request you to post one khaaNDa at a time. Perhaps you are in the spirit of the Ramayana Fest! I do not know anybody who has wovwn in both the raga and tALa mudra before! This is the first. Of course when you post the meanings everything will fall in place and we will be a wee bit more knowing Kannada.

(By the by why are Kannada scholars keeping quiet! If it was in Tamil I would have plunged in!)

Also let us have the lilting ciTTa svaras first.
dadhyaanaM vinA upadaMshaM na rOcatE|

Quick question

sULaDi according to laya history was supposed to have been invented by Jayanta (Indra's son). He taught it to Arjuna when he visited IndralOka which came handy during the ag~naatavaasa when he was in the garb of brihannaLaa. That is how it got transmitted to bhUlOka! Have you heard this story?

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 21 Apr 2006, 21:07

CML,
To me, this sounds like sankEti and not kannada...
Ravi

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 21 Apr 2006, 21:08

Hey
I expected you to hold out for a while I was going to request you to post one khaaNDa at a time. Perhaps you are in the spirit of the Ramayana Fest! I do not know anybody who has wovwn in both the raga and tALa mudra before! This is the first. Of course when you post the meanings everything will fall in place and we will be a wee bit more knowing Kannada.

(By the by why are Kannada scholars keeping quiet! If it was in Tamil I would have plunged in!)

I was not sure what was expected of me. As things had gone quite for a while, I thought I will post the sAhitya first. I wanted to do exactly as you said kANDa by kANDa. And that is how the discussion will go. No jumping queues! In thw meanwhile, i thought I will give everyone ample time to have a crack a it. Let us look in detail at each khaNda/kANDa and also discuss the rAMAyaNa.
I am hoping that everyone will chip in here.

By the way, the suLAdi is in sankEti, as Ravi has correctly observed.