Vijay Siva, ICICI Bank Music Festival

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 13 Oct 2008, 16:34

Vijay Siva - R K Shriram Kumar - Manoj Siva - V Suresh

ICICI Bank Music Festival
Music Academy Main Hall.

Slokam on Lord Ganesha
pAhi srI girirAja sutE - Anandabhairavi - rUpakam - SS (NS)
gatayA gatayA mAdhavam - kalyANi - misra cApu - NT (RS)
sangITa sAstra gnAnamU - mukhAri - Adi - T (RN)
innamum oru taram - yadukula kAmbhOji - Adi - GKB
kAmAkshI gaurI - sAvEri - Adi - PS (RNST)
shAradA bhujangam - naLinakAnti, nATTakuranji, srI, kIravANi, latAngi, sAmA, jaganmOhini, chArukEsi - tisra nADai
jAnakI nAth sahAya karE - misra khamAj - Thulasi Das bhajan
muddugArE yashOdA - kuranji
verses from kandar anubhUti - gambIra nATTai, hindOLam, mAND, madhyamAvati
svasti prajApya - madhyamAvati

It was a great concert. I reached a little late, as he was wrapping up the anupallavi of the Anandabhairavi piece. The neraval and svarams were aptly done. The kalyANi affair was kept short and sweet. The AlApanai was nice and there were some interesting svara patterns. The mukhAri AlApanai was shorter and sweeter. The neraval was great. The main sAvEri AlApanai was outstanding. The neraval and svarams in sAvEri were great as well.

All kritis were sparklingly rendered. Sri Vijay Siva's music is always known to be top class and this concert was yet another proof for the same.

The accompanists were very good and gelled well with the music.

bharath

malavi · Post by **malavi** » 13 Oct 2008, 18:52

The first item was Sadabalarupapi followed by Mahaganapathe palaya of MD in raga Natanarayani.
The concert though only for 2 hrs was really great. All the items were of different composers.The main saveri was superb.The thani by Manoj Siva and Suresh was excellent.

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 13 Oct 2008, 19:00

Yes, the main Saveri was great. The violinist's Mukhari was very good too. I liked the Kalyani svarams also. The tani seemed somewhat complex.

shwesand · Post by **shwesand** » 13 Oct 2008, 21:35

Hi Bharath,

Innamum Oru Tharam was sung in Kedaragowlai

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 13 Oct 2008, 22:22

@ shwesand

Do you mean it used to be sung in kedaragowLai or that it was sung that way in this particular Vijay Siva concert?

shwesand · Post by **shwesand** » 14 Oct 2008, 06:12

Shri Vijay Siva sang it in Kedaragowlai. Thanks

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 14 Oct 2008, 14:44

From what i recollect, Sri Vijay Siva did render it in yadukula kAmbhOji only, it wasnt kEdAragauLa.

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 14 Oct 2008, 14:48

I have a recording of Sri Vijay Siva rendering this song. It is in what I would consider to be a yadukulakAmbOdhi-eaque kEdAragauLa

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 14 Oct 2008, 15:04

prashant wrote:yadukulakAmbOdhi-eaque kEdAragauLa

could u elaborate.

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 14 Oct 2008, 15:34

The pallavi has prayogas like mpR,MS,, [pArkka] RSndndp,dpmgr,, [vEnDum enRu], s,n#n#d#p#,p#n#srg'r [(koL)Lud-en manamE] which are pure kEdAragauLa. Caps - tarasthayi. # - mandra sthayi

Also 'vAzhum sarvEsanai' in the anupallavi is r,m,p,m,p,n,S,S which is exclusive to kEdAragauLa.

But I could see how confusion could arise due to the start of the song which is rpmgs,s,,,r,m,p,d,pp,dpm,, [innamum oru daram] which with the appropriate gamakas would be kosher in YK as well as kEdaragauLa. IMO the CaraNam 'karattil aNiyum kapAlamum trishUlamum' is vintage kEdAragauLa. Sorry, bharath, that I cannot illustrate with the recording

108talas · Post by **108talas** » 14 Oct 2008, 17:00

sa ri maa ma ga ma pa ma pa dha(flat) dha ni Sa Ri Sa ni Sa ni dha dha pa ma .. ma pa dha Sa dha pa ma ga

clear YK prayOgAs

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 14 Oct 2008, 20:02

now, the thing is, how much ever i buy your arguement and phrase-wise analysis, the overall effect of the kriti was definitely a sedate YK and not the majestic KG.

i think, i must try to catch hold of a recording of this kriti and listen to it in detail to convince myself, or request, Sri Vijay Siva to sing it somewhere so that i can understand it better

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 14 Oct 2008, 22:13

Why dont we call this rAga as kEdarakAmbOdhi or yadukulagaula

harigiri · Post by **harigiri** » 14 Oct 2008, 22:41

Hello folks,

Take a deep breathe, cool down. It was 100% kedaragowla-absolutely no doubt. Many of my friends got it in the first stroke!

Yes, I did record and do have it in my archive! Sorry I am unable to part with, that is against my principle.

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 15 Oct 2008, 15:32

I spoke to Sri Shriram Kumar about the kriti. He says that there are two versions of the kriti, one in yadukula kAmbhOji and another in kEdAragauLa. However, he also confirms that the version rendered on Saturday was indeed in kEdAragauLa.

now, i wish i get a recording of that kriti and listen again.

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 15 Oct 2008, 16:13

harigiri wrote: Yes, I did record and do have it in my archive! Sorry I am unable to part with, that is against my principle.

I guess recording the concert without the artiste's permission is not against your principle...? :rolleyes:

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 15 Oct 2008, 22:33

I don't think any artiste should object if a rasika records strictly for their personal listening pleasure.

harigiri · Post by **harigiri** » 15 Oct 2008, 22:51

sureshvv wrote:I don't think any artiste should object if a rasika records strictly for their personal listening pleasure.

And it is a prerogative of composers! So, as long as they do not object, its fine!

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 15 Oct 2008, 22:59

harigiri wrote:I don't think any artiste should object if a rasika records strictly for their personal listening pleasure.
And it is a prerogative of composers! So, as long as they do not object, its fine!

Are you sure you meant to say "composers"?

Because if that's what you think, then you won't be allowed to record AlApanais, tAnams neravals, kalpana svarams without the artists' consent.
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My take is that recording a free concert and sharing it for free is fine, but we need to take the artists' and organisers' consent for recording and sharing ticketed concerts.

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 16 Oct 2008, 07:43

I was only taking exception to 'harigiri's' somewhat smarmy tone. Anyway, now I have relaxed and taken a deep breath...

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 16 Oct 2008, 09:29

and started singing a kEdAragowLa and yadukula khAmbOji, one after the other!

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 16 Oct 2008, 10:09

prashant wrote:I was only taking exception to 'harigiri's' somewhat smarmy tone. Anyway, now I have relaxed and taken a deep breath...

Agree with you on the "smarminess", but as a principle it seems valid!

Ragjay · Post by **Ragjay** » 16 Oct 2008, 21:37

Todays technology permits one to record any performance without being wired. I suppose that no artist can prevent their singing on the stage from permeating the auditorium. It is ridiculous to to suggest that such an act is unethical and requires the permission of the artist. I did see one of the disciple of a prominent singer literally policing the sabha for such supposedly illegal recording. I believe that the constitution guarantees the right to liberty and such acts infringe upon that fundamental right and can constitute a legal tort.What is not to be done by the rasika is that he should not make an unlawful gain out of such an act. Such remarks that one should seek the permission of the performer to record sitting in your seat with such devices is ridiculous. If the performer is so fussy than he or she may as well sit at home and sing to his or her hearts content.The rasika must not put up such recordings on public domain for sharing. Bye Ragjay

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 16 Oct 2008, 22:44

Ragjay wrote:I suppose that no artist can prevent their singing on the stage from permeating the auditorium. It is ridiculous to to suggest that such an act is unethical and requires the permission of the artist.

A concert hall is not public property. It is owned by some organisation, which has dealings with the organisers of a concert, who in turn have dealings with the artists. To even step inside is a restricted thing if the organisers choose to keep a ticket, forget about stepping in with a recorder and recording the concert.

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 16 Oct 2008, 22:46

Ragjay wrote:The rasika must not put up such recordings on public domain for sharing.

And why is THAT? (As long as there's no "unlawful gain" of course!)

Ragjay · Post by **Ragjay** » 17 Oct 2008, 09:55

Mr Srikant I have read your response with keen interest. No doubt that the auditorium is not public property and if the concert is public whether free or otherwise then what I stand by what I have stated . If you put up such recordings on public domain for sharing and that is objected and then there is every chance some down loader without scruples may make make an unlawful gain by commercial exploit it may invite libel.Technically the artist has no locus standi to object but we in such a situation do respect their sentiments .Certainly sangeethapriya site observes this rule strictly.and ensures that uploads which are objected to are immediately deleted. If one has a private network then I suppose the upload is freely shared.. So long as such recordings are only for purely personal listening pleasure then it is lawful in the context of present day technology. I can even record outside the venue if the audio is audible outside.and the artist has no control over this aspect. Certainly direct recording of the concert from the mike system or video graphing can be objected to. Bye Ragjay