can it be possiable to compose?

ananth krishna · Post by **ananth krishna** » 02 Dec 2008, 12:28

can it be possiable to compose a song in two different ragas and with same tala,or with two different talas with same raga why i am asking this one is i heard a song in two ragas but i think they r in different talas.please if any body got some idea inform to us

thank you.

suma · Post by **suma** » 03 Dec 2008, 23:18

I have also seen this

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 04 Dec 2008, 18:19

Yes. My composition 'mayilERi oyilAi varuvAi murugA' in chArukESi was originally composed in Adi tALA and is sung in miSra chApu by Sumitra Nitin in my Arasi CD.

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 04 Dec 2008, 19:12

this is old and well known.

shyama sastri's gauLipantu piece taruNam Idamma is rendered in Adi popularly. Smt Vidya Shankar renders it in misra cApu.

There are many many many examples of same kriti in multiple rAgams.

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 04 Dec 2008, 19:42

Famous "mari mari Ninne" was tuned in Kambodhi by T and saramathy in Cinema. I don't know whether this is the true example of what u are asking.. but my 2 cents.

keerthi · Post by **keerthi** » 04 Dec 2008, 19:45

Songs in more than one raga -

Ninnu vina- Shama shastri - Reethigaula/ abheri
Nannu brovu -Shama shastri - Vasantha / lalitha

Kanta joodumi - Thyagaraja - Lathangi/ Vachaspathi
Vallagadanaka - Harikamboji/Sankarabharanam
Ne mora bettithe - Thodi/ rupavathi
Pahi ramadutha - Vasanthavarali / Shadvidhamargini
Jnanamosaga rada - Purvakalyani/ Gamanasrama/ Shadvidhamargini
Prananatha biraana - Shoolini / Shankarabharanam
Ninne bhajana - Naata / Gambheera nata
Lemi delpa - Pavani/ navaneetam / Suvarnangi
Jayajaya sriraghurama - Gauri / Mangalakaisika

Muthuswami Dikshitar - Maaye - Tarangini(like charukesi) and sudha tarangini(like janjooti)
Srinilotpalanaayike - Reethigaula(like the thyagaraja version) and Nari-reethigaula(Natabhairavi cognate)
This is just off the top of my head. there must be more..

MaheshS · Post by **MaheshS** » 04 Dec 2008, 20:07

Another two that come to mind,

Gajavadana Beduve - Hamsadhwani [Maharajapuram Santhanam], Kedaram [various]
Kshemam Kuru - Mohanam [TNS, MDR], Durbar [TVS]

Bhavayami Raguramam - set to Saveri originally, was retuned by SSI as a ragamalika.

And almost 80% of the Thripugazh rendered are in different ragams / talams.

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 04 Dec 2008, 20:58

Yaro Ivar Yaro- sung in Saveri and Bhairavi?

sramaswamy · Post by **sramaswamy** » 04 Dec 2008, 23:06

keerthi

Most of the songs you have listed as two different ragas are in ragas that differ in just one note and are very closely allied. I know that many a time that one note can make lot of difference. But most of the cases listed, the ragas are very close to each other. None of them seem to suggest that they were composed/ sung in two quite different ragas. Is it possible that originally they were in one raga and somehow evolved over time into the two different versions?

keerthi · Post by **keerthi** » 05 Dec 2008, 09:43

Yes, that is my opinion too. In the course of reception and transmission in the aural-oral tradition(karna-parampara), there must have arisen these minor differences, which later became rigid and distinct forms.
However the idea of composing a song in two ragas seems an unlikely event; as Indian vaggeyakaras unlike film songsters did not write a score and then fill in words, or write a song and then tune it. Their music was an extemporaneous outpouring of verse and melody.

Going back to the original question in this topic; most songs of Annamacharya, the Dasas, Narayana tirtha yathi and the alwars/Nayanmars are sung in multiple tunes which have been set by contemporary musicians. hence we hear the same song in different ragas/talas in different renditions.

Same song in same raga but different tala, as I wrote to Ananth krishna, can be seen in the recondite saptataleswari kind of song where a piece can be sung in any of seven talas, and will fit.[the total numbers of aksharas in the song units will be LCM (or it's multiple) of number of aksharas in all those seven talas]