Vijayashiva@AshitkA samAjam (Alwarpet)on Dec 14th,2008

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 14 Dec 2008, 23:43

Conducted by Guru karaikudi mani by his shruthilaya trust.

Accompanied by embAr kannan - violin , neyveli narAyanan - mrudangam and BS Purushottaman -kanjirA

1A. slOkham ???
1B. mariyAda gAdayyA - bhairavam - T
2. innum paraamukhamEnO (RS N S) - bEgaDa - Duraiswaamy Kaviraayar
neraval in "vannattogai mayilmEl vaLar-vayypuri vEl murugayyA"

3. Ninnu vina gati gana (R N S)-kalyAni - subbarAya sAstri
neraval in "viNuta pAliNi viNi vansuNE"
4. Cede Buddhi mAnura(R) - Athaana- T

5. paradevAthE - dhanyAsi - MD
6A. ElAvatAram(R S T) - mukhAri - T
6B. tani

7. pani mAti kOkE bhAlE ... lOka vAsigal eLLam - Ahiri - ???
8A. viruththam ee eNru nAn Oru - Ahiri +?? + kAPi + KAmbOdhi -rAMalinga swamigaL
8B. vAngum enakku irukkai - kAmbOdhi - ???

8. vetta veli thaNNil -folkish shenjuruTTi?? - kudumbai sidhar??
9.pavamAna with brief slOkham - shenjuruTTi

Shri vijaya shiva started with a brief slOkham could not catch it and he started with a brisk bhairavam . After a brief alApana sketch , he launched brilliantly and gave a very rounded up neraval and swaras in bEgaDa. Infact I noticed he forgot few lines paused in the charanam and then went back to a beautiful neraval in the anupallavi line "vannattogai mayilmEl vaLar-vayypuri vEl murugayyA". To that extent if a neraval is guaranteed I prefer musician forgetting few lines

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kalyANi and begada in succession , perhaps not a very appealing choice . But the style of his begada (was more racy) and the kalyAni (was more balanced in madhyama kAlam) was definitely bright. But however the neraval was not that great , swaras were excellent . An excellent alApana in atAna followed with a well rounded rendition of cEDe buddhi mAnura.

This dhanyAsi is certainly a great filler , vijayashiva's language command in thamizh, telugu and sanskrit just peaked. THe days best was his brilliant mukhari , The alAPana was outstanding , the krithi rendition excellent , swaras were excellent but I felt he could have gone little more there just perhaps there was a slight loss of breadth there.

Every thukkadA was outstanding ,particularly love or rather sold out on the viruththam ee Enru , always I look to hear that ,there was a rare kAmbOdhi krithi vAngum enakku irukkai anAL aruLum unakku paNNirukkai on Lord muruga was outstanding. The one before was a beautiful Ahiri possibly in manipravalam. The folkish vetta veli was not lagging behind the other tukkadas.

The violinist embAr kannan got lots of long applauses , but to me I felt his bowing had azhuttam but he did not bring much of subtle sangathis in alApana.nArayanan dazzled more in the first half that too for quite a few fast numbers. BSP gave able support their tani was just very good.

Guru karaikudi mani spoke briefly at the end of mukhAri ,and his customary practice was to garland an artist .This time it was mAyavaram somu , he just briefly mentioned that he played for 2 decades with madurai somu . Two somus with KM must have been stunning those days.

Overall an excellent concert , perhaps I thought I will get a RTP today, was unlucky there .

kamavardhani · Post by **kamavardhani** » 15 Dec 2008, 00:03

3. neraval at "vinuta pAlinivi nIvanucunE..."

5. paradEvatA, not paradEvatE

7. panimati mukhi bAlE (anupallavi of Swati Tirunal's padam starting with 'manasi dussaham ayyO...'). The 1st charanam begins as "lOka vAsikaLkkellAm lObhanIyanAmindu..."

If you are not familiar with transliteration, kindly avoid it and write in plain English. Thanks!

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 15 Dec 2008, 03:50

phaNimati mukhi bAlE is by Madurai R.Muralidharan. vAngum enakku iru kai is by Uttukadu Venkatakavi
veTTaveLi is by Kudambai Siddar.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 15 Dec 2008, 04:41

kamavardhani, your corrections to people's sincere attempt at proper transliteration is very much welcome.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 15 Dec 2008, 06:00

Lakshman
panimathi mukhi bAlE is a beautiful padam in maNipravaaLam by Swathi thiruNaal. KVN sings it quite often...

Jigyaasa · Post by **Jigyaasa** » 15 Dec 2008, 08:38

rajeshnat wrote:1A. slOkham ???

sadA bAlarUpApi vighnAdrihantri... He always sings this at the start of a concert.

rajeshnat wrote:9.pavamAna with brief slOkham - shenjuruTTi

The shlOka is svasti prajAbhyah paripAlayantAm nyAyENa mArgENa mahIm mahIshAh gObrAhmaNebhyah shubhamastu nityam lOkAssamastAh sukhinO bhavantu. It was sung in sowrAshTram only.

rajeshnat wrote:Infact I noticed he forgot few lines paused in the charanam... To that extent if a neraval is guaranteed I prefer musician forgetting few lines .

He did not forget anything. He completed the entire kriti n was intending to sing the neraval. He just started it at the wrong point n immediately realised it.

rajeshnat wrote:This dhanyAsi is certainly a great filler...

He has sung it as a main item on some occasions...

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 15 Dec 2008, 14:13

Vijay Siva was not at his best as I saw in Nalinakanti sabha. . Actually, while singing his raga the flow got interrupted few times. For me Dhanyasi raga alapana would have been better than Atana or Mukhari. He does not need to sing Ragam for begada, kalyani, atana and mukhari. Too much weightage for a 2.5 hours concert.

Embar was good. But not better than his Gowrimanohari ragam in the ensemble on sunday morn at BVB with Ghatam Kartik and Keyboard Satya.

Sathej · Post by **Sathej** » 15 Dec 2008, 14:25

Panimathi is the famous Swathi Thirunal Ahiri Padam, I guess..
Sathej

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 15 Dec 2008, 20:37

kamavardhani wrote:3. neraval at "vinuta pAlinivi nIvanucunE..."

5. paradEvatA, not paradEvatE

7. panimati mukhi bAlE (anupallavi of Swati Tirunal's padam starting with 'manasi dussaham ayyO...'). The 1st charanam begins as "lOka vAsikaLkkellAm lObhanIyanAmindu..."

If you are not familiar with transliteration, kindly avoid it and write in plain English. Thanks!

Not intending to argue here. At times I put more lines of sAhityam(in padam ) that way even if incorrect some body can correct. Usually I put ?? which I just forgot to put at the end .Thanks for your correction.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 15 Dec 2008, 20:38

sathej /cmlover
SInce Lji has mentioned the padam by Madurai R.Muralidharan. It should be right . IT does have a padmanAbha phrase perhaps because of that it is wrongly attributed to Swati tirunAl

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 15 Dec 2008, 20:41

Jigyaasa wrote:
rajeshnat wrote:Infact I noticed he forgot few lines paused in the charanam... To that extent if a neraval is guaranteed I prefer musician forgetting few lines .
He did not forget anything. He completed the entire kriti n was intending to sing the neraval. He just started it at the wrong point n immediately realised it.

IIRC, He also sang the charanam at the end of neraval , perhaps he decided to take the neraval as a little after thought.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 15 Dec 2008, 20:44

Jigyaasa wrote:
rajeshnat wrote:9.pavamAna with brief slOkham - shenjuruTTi
The shlOka is svasti prajAbhyah paripAlayantAm nyAyENa mArgENa mahIm mahIshAh gObrAhmaNebhyah shubhamastu nityam lOkAssamastAh sukhinO bhavantu. It was sung in sowrAshTram only.

Goofed up there as it was a bit late night post , certainly pavamAna is in sowrAshtram. Who wrote this slOka???

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 15 Dec 2008, 21:22

It is part of shaanti mantra regularly chanted as benediction, probaly from naaraayaNa sUktaM. Sanskrit dramatists use it generally as bharatavaakyam!

sramaswamy · Post by **sramaswamy** » 16 Dec 2008, 02:37

Kamavardhini

The common advise is that in any endeavour nothing ventured nothing gained. If you do not try anything new, you are always going to be right. However, when you make sincere attempts - maybe not 100% perfect - you bring out new thoughts, and new points that one never knew of.

In this forum we have amateurs, professionals, experts and novices. I think the posts here are all in the form of wiki. The collective knowledge here will make sure that all mistakes are corrected.

ganeshkant · Post by **ganeshkant** » 18 Dec 2008, 17:41

Vijayshiva's concert was good.But he can't pronounce Na (3 chuzhi) so he sang 'vannaththogai'(which sounds like 'annam' instead of sounding like 'kannan')

This problem is there with Sudha,Jeyashri also

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 18 Dec 2008, 19:20

Vijay Siva's pronunciation has such clarity.
vaNNam and vannam mean the same--color (varNam). There are other meanings to the words too, like beauty.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 18 Dec 2008, 20:03

Arasi is 100% correct! Vijay Siva is a Tamil scholar who sings regularly Tamil songs (sometimes all Tamil

, knowing the meaning.

Jigyaasa · Post by **Jigyaasa** » 18 Dec 2008, 21:23

ganeshkant wrote:But he can't pronounce Na (3 chuzhi)

It is possible that when a member of the audience is seated very far, or the acoustics are very poor (which, was the case that day, considering that it was an "open" auditorium, certain sounds might not have carried through. Or aural defects can cause words to be heard incorrectly. It doesn't seem acceptable to make such sweeping stmts without getting one's facts right or ears checked...

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 19 Dec 2008, 10:31

jigyaasa- You are right. it was open auditorium and if you are not close to the speakers, you won't get the clear pronunciation.

But do not blame ganeshkant for his statment. He does not know that he is sitting (writing) among the die-hard vijay siva fans.

By the way- are u the person sitting in green Kurta (fourth row from the front) writing in a LIC Diary seriously and the old man sitting to your left was making "tappu talam" and occassional "besh" in wrong time. !!! .

Jigyaasa · Post by **Jigyaasa** » 19 Dec 2008, 10:33

Lol... Yes...

I sincerely hope that the old man wasn't you Sir?

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 19 Dec 2008, 10:52

NO, not at all. He was also disturbing me a lot. I was sitting in the front row (3rd). right back of me was you and back left was that man.

I wanted to check the ragams for Mukhari or bhairavi (surely because of my understanding of the raga not vijay siva's fault) so I turned up have a glimpse at your diary and other few times also just like that.

By the way, Iam also bad at Talam. I carefully watch the artist and follow their pattern =D

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 19 Dec 2008, 12:02

grs, same here with respect to tala putting! With Vijay Siva it's more difficult because he often just waves his arms about and keeps tala internally or with his feet. To avoid being a nuisance I just tap my fingers on my lap lightly.

ganeshkant · Post by **ganeshkant** » 19 Dec 2008, 12:36

I strongly differ with Arasi. Vannam is incorrect and only VANNAM conveys the meaning Color.

I am also a fan of not only Vijay Shiva but whoever sings beautifully.

Where is the qn.of being a fan or not comes here !

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sankark · Post by **sankark** » 21 Dec 2008, 11:38

Doesn't vaNNam (3 suzhi) mean color whereas vannam (2 suzhi) mean "do as", an example in "sonna vannam seidha perumAL". VS could have really bungled in that one instance perhaps?

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 21 Dec 2008, 13:36

sankark, I beg to differ from you; both are 'vaNNam's(3 suzhi );AFAIK, there is no word 'vannam' in tamizh.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 21 Dec 2008, 17:26

sollum vANNam, as Punarvasu says.
vannam is not incorrect--vannap paDamum illai, kaNDAi, tOzhi (bArati)

Jigyaasa · Post by **Jigyaasa** » 21 Dec 2008, 22:35

sankark wrote:VS could have really bungled in that one instance perhaps?

I can vouch for the pronunciation of the word. He DEFINITELY pronounced it as vaNNam only! I was seated just a few rows from the stage. Not that I regard this as being of any consequence, but it's irksome when ppl find faults where there are none... And then go on to explicate on them... As a matter of fact, the DKJ-DKP school as such is know for its flawless and clear pronunciation in all languages.

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 23 Dec 2008, 06:17

In fact, in a DKP/DKJ concert one could easily write down the whole song even if one has not heard it before.

sankark · Post by **sankark** » 23 Dec 2008, 10:52

jigyasa - I was not there at the concert. So, I will take your word - DEFINITELY and VS did not bungle. For the record, I am a fan of VS's music & DKP's music. I still remember his Bhairavi couple of years ago @ MA (Koluvaiyunnade where he bettered MMI's Koluvaiyunnade). But it does not mean that they are absolutely infallible & never commit mistakes, does it?

Yes DKP DKJ school is known for flawless pronunciation. But in the Kalarasana concert, I found him wanting on the virutham that was not that much clear as to the lyrics. Or I am deficient in the ear department. Both of the prospects horrify me! Especially the later given that CM is one of the thing that I like in this world hurtling down to hell in a handbasket

vannam - I was wrong. Ofcourse it is sonna vaNNam. Thanks for the correction Punarvasu.

Jigyaasa · Post by **Jigyaasa** » 23 Dec 2008, 14:46

sankark wrote:But it does not mean that they are absolutely infallible & never commit mistakes, does it?

I agree completely.. No one is infallible... N I have been referring to this particular concert only all along... Maybe the generalisation abt the DKJ DKP school was interpreted in too 'broad' a sense...