interesting links to watch

smala · Post by **smala** » 03 Aug 2010, 12:05

Not your standard dance, very contemporary, self-taught, self-created. Winners, 2009

[ I posted two other videos of this group in the Lounge under Watch this Amazing Show. Amazing indeed! ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca-baeB1PJI&feature=fvst

kannagi99 · Post by **kannagi99** » 03 Aug 2010, 22:49

madhan wrote: Even Ms.Rupa Srikanth in her review on Ms.Narthaki nataraj says "It was Narthakiâ€™s expressive strength that won her audience over.The nritta was undemanding, yet it was not well-finished. The dancer should work on improving her fitness and the clarity of the steps. She should work on becoming an all-rounder. " But both the video and the review are quite old.. She has probably improved now..!

One can only hope. The video was from 2008 so quite recent (as was the review I think). Of course, if this standard was good enough to bag the Nritya Choodamani from Krishna Gana Sabha, is there really any incentive to improve??

kannagi99 · Post by **kannagi99** » 03 Aug 2010, 23:13

[quote="ksl"]Here is my article in narthaki which touched on the greatness of so called great artists.
http://www.narthaki.com/info/articles/art274.html

Nice article ksl! Are u working on any new ones?

As for Balasaraswati, I really really wish we had some archival footage of her in her younger days. I feel like by the time the Krishna Nee Begane footage was shot she was already on the greatness pedestal so as I mentioned in an earlier post, everyone feels compelled to say it was great. If we judge today's "greats" by how they dance today, I don't think we can come away with a very favorable impression. Contrast their performances today with those from their prime. It was the performances from their prime that put them on the greatness pedestal. I personally don't have a problem with them staying on the pedestal. But, I think a truly great dancer should have enough self-awareness and humility to realize when the quality of their art starts to slip. Wishful thinking, I know.

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 05 Aug 2010, 05:19

@kannagi: My 2nd article has been on narthaki for about a month now. Its the first and foremost in the 'article' section. Let me know if u cant find it.

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 05 Aug 2010, 07:21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVAp9giW ... re=related

who is this dancer and who is the choreographer and what song is this? Never heard it before. Plus its a very difficult piece to conceive considering she plays ball almost 75% of the song!! And never does she repeat herself. I am intrigued.

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 05 Aug 2010, 07:34

Now heres someone probably in her prime: Shobhana
http://www.youtube.com/user/tripmonk0#p ... cxsSZyTxMQ

kannagi99 · Post by **kannagi99** » 05 Aug 2010, 20:11

ksl wrote:@kannagi: My 2nd article has been on narthaki for about a month now. Its the first and foremost in the 'article' section. Let me know if u cant find it.

Good article ksl. There has to be a confluence of both the music and the dance for the performance to be effective. Sometimes watching Bharatanatyam to non-typical music just leaves me feeling empty. I know that some Bharatanatyam dancers are experimenting with using non-traditional music in an effort to reach out to a broader audience. I would like to hear from some of these dancers as to their motivations and whether they feel their efforts are successful.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 06 Aug 2010, 01:12

ksl, even though I am not a bharatanatyam person, I really enjoyed reading both your articles

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 06 Aug 2010, 07:18

Thenkoo Thenkoo

my english and writing probably suck for i never paid attention to first and wasnt trained in the second, but if there is one thing i have learnt from the Chinese, language isnt as important as ideas are.

smala · Post by **smala** » 06 Aug 2010, 10:41

ksl wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVAp9giW ... re=related

who is this dancer and who is the choreographer and what song is this? Never heard it before. Plus its a very difficult piece to conceive considering she plays ball almost 75% of the song!! And never does she repeat herself. I am intrigued.

I posted the link in sahitya, hoping Lashmanji will answer.

Utterly delightful the ball bouncing-play with a never a repeat move as you say.

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 07 Aug 2010, 02:35

@SP: Someone on fb told me this about the piece "kutraala kuravanji by Thirikoodarasappa kavi vasanthavalli pandhadithal. In thilng ragam Thisragathi. " If that helps.

madhan · Post by **madhan** » 07 Aug 2010, 03:00

Does anyone have the video of viralimalai kuravanji? The famous dance drama by Dr.Padma Subrahmanyam, Smt.Chitra Viswesvaran and Prof.Sudharani Raghupathy that was aired on Doordarshan a few years ago? I spoke to Doordarshan people in a book fair couple of years back and they told me that the video is in some format that cannot be converted to a viewable format in today's devices..! Now that i found rasikas, i thought i could ask if someone has their old VHS tapes of the show..!!

smala · Post by **smala** » 07 Aug 2010, 07:16

ksl wrote:@SP: Someone on fb told me this about the piece "kutraala kuravanji by Thirikoodarasappa kavi vasanthavalli pandhadithal. In thilng ragam Thisragathi. " If that helps.

ksl, Lakshman-ji has given the lyrics on sahitya. Tilang it is. So the composer is Thirikooda Rasappa Kavirayar, song is vasanthavalli pandhadithal. The kutraala kuravani must be a larger drama? where this vasanthavalli pandhadithal piece is a part.

smala · Post by **smala** » 07 Aug 2010, 07:49

ksl - are there any videos with you on stage?

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 07 Aug 2010, 08:23

Narthaka Festival 2009: http://kutcheribuzz.com/video/Natyanjal ... /video.htm

I believe the 2010 fest is going to start sometime soon..

@SP: yes, there are on youtube. But i would like you to comment on them not knowing its me, else its no fun judging someone who judges others.

I know you comment on youtube videos.

smala · Post by **smala** » 07 Aug 2010, 10:30

hmmm...how would I search in all of youtube. Give some song/dance names at least.

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 09 Aug 2010, 07:26

@ SP:

You dont have to search for me. Why would it matter if its me? Just find dances/dancers that interest you and encourage good dancing. Whatever that stands for you.

smala · Post by **smala** » 09 Aug 2010, 11:45

[quote="ksl"]@ SP:

You dont have to search for me. Why would it matter if its me? Just find dances/dancers that interest you and encourage good dancing. Whatever that stands for you.[/quote

I'd like to see and know that's it's you ksl -- you seem to write a lot on dance. I may have missed what others may already know of you since I am fairly new to rasikas. Now, if you can give some links without being so cagey or pricey? Thanks.

On finding dancers that interest me, I occasionally stumble on something or the other on my own.

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 10 Aug 2010, 00:21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQJjkOMoZ4E

SP: I write under ksl and no one knows my name (even in rasikas) except people who publish what i write. I dont write a lot, I have had two articles in narthaki in the last two months, which is when i started. Not being cagey or pricey. My wrting is not conformal to acecpted standards of respect and authority. And i would like to keep my performances and audiences' opinions about me separate from my opinions.

smala · Post by **smala** » 10 Aug 2010, 01:45

ksl :

That was very nice to watch - what the piece and who is the composer ? And who is your guru ? Are you US based/India based.

Can you give other links - thanks.

Not to worry, just wanted to see your performances. Your opinions are your own and separate, as you say.

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 10 Aug 2010, 09:35

Oh! Thats not me. I just liked her so shared it with everyone.
I was trying to make the thread what it actually is. Sharing dance links. Lets not steer the discussion in any other direction.

smala · Post by **smala** » 10 Aug 2010, 12:12

ksl wrote:Oh! Thats not me. I just liked her so shared it with everyone.
I was trying to make the thread what it actually is. Sharing dance links. Lets not steer the discussion in any other direction.

That's sneaky. You responded to a direct request from me for your videos by throwing in a 'link for sharing some other' with a note to me below the link, so I was to "guess" this was of another person? Thanks!

If it is about "sharing dance links" - why not share links to yours - how does this steer the direction ?

Too bad you don't want share your links.

You don't have to reply to this post either.

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 10 Aug 2010, 22:47

I have a hard time seeing rolling on the floor to cover music space translate as well as classical arts do. Obviously Ms. Anita Ratnam doesnt share my opinion. The dancer in this video is undoubtedly good enough. I would love to know general opinon of what rasikas think is the future here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWBGm2CQ ... re=related

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 10 Aug 2010, 22:52

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Sd ... edium#t=79
bhajare Manasa. I love Asha Ramesh's singing...esp in this one. It outshines the dance.

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 11 Aug 2010, 21:33

Maya Ravan Parts 1-14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4dhdPtZTmg

Bjankumar · Post by **Bjankumar** » 11 Aug 2010, 23:11

Aadinaye Kanna by Bharata Kalanjali students (Satyajit, Divya,& ?(does anyone know the other female artiste?))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRAWgL8gU9Y

Bjankumar · Post by **Bjankumar** » 12 Aug 2010, 13:56

A vintage interview of Smt.Sudharani Ragupathy, The videos include clips of Sudha madam performing an abinaya piece (Keliyaai Ponadhadi) in her classroom, also an excerpt from the Varnam "Maaye Mayan Sodariye" by Madurai N Krishnan, and a small extract from the Bramha Sandhi Kautvam. ENJOY : )

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z03f9nunKkE

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdwHDb_aXhs

Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RvaeJ0yKqM

Part 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muJXfRheJKQ

madhan · Post by **madhan** » 12 Aug 2010, 13:58

Awesome videos Bjankumar.. Nice answers by prof.sudharani.. Thanks for posting them!!

kannagi99 · Post by **kannagi99** » 13 Aug 2010, 00:13

@shyama-priya - My personal opinion is that it if ksl chooses not to post his/her videos, that's just fine. After all, in the carnatic music boards, we don't expect any of the rasikas to post links to their singing!

kannagi99 · Post by **kannagi99** » 13 Aug 2010, 00:28

ksl wrote:I have a hard time seeing rolling on the floor to cover music space translate as well as classical arts do. Obviously Ms. Anita Ratnam doesnt share my opinion. The dancer in this video is undoubtedly good enough. I would love to know general opinon of what rasikas think is the future here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWBGm2CQ ... re=related

@ksl - are you asking what we think of the future of this style of dance or whether is this the future of Bharatanatyam/classical dance? Most of the movements in the video are from the Contemporary style of dance - not to be confused with dancing to contemporary themes or Anita Ratnam's neo-Bharatham etc. Contemporary dance has its own very identifiable dance vocabulary - seems to me almost like deconstructed/broken form of Western classical ballet. You will see the same/similar movements in most Contemporary dance choreography. I don't have any issue with dancers using traditional based Indian music for Contemporary dance as long as it is not called Bharatanatyam/Indian classical dance etc.

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 13 Aug 2010, 09:49

@kannagi: I was referring to this article where AR talks of contemporary dancers as ones she has high hopes for.
http://www.narthaki.com/info/rt/rt33.html

salangai83 · Post by **salangai83** » 13 Aug 2010, 17:10

dear friends...nice contemporary dance but believe me dancing with contemporary style not as divine as pure bharatanatyam style...
we haven't fully discover bharata's natya shastra which is offer such large scope to expend and create more n more creative things in dance.
for an example bharata described roughly about 20 types of leg movements n how far we realize bout it n at the same time how many of this leg movements are in practice rite now?
i feel really really feel bad and disappointed when thinking bout certain dancers n teachers who willing to spend their precious time to create such a "new" bharatanatyam style which is not bharatanatyam at all. 1st of all we must be proud with natya shastra n go through at least once to understand wat is bharatanatyam all about.... bharata already made a guide so just follow it...
dont mess bharatanatyam with limited knowledge n plz retain the purity of the dance cause it is make us different, from others..

kannagi99 · Post by **kannagi99** » 13 Aug 2010, 20:06

ksl wrote:@kannagi: I was referring to this article where AR talks of contemporary dancers as ones she has high hopes for.
http://www.narthaki.com/info/rt/rt33.html

I believe that Contemporary dance has a place in India as it does in many countries. But, I doubt it will replace the traditional forms. It does bug me that AR seems to have the West is Best attitude these days when it comes to dance in India. Part of the problem with Contemporary dance is that it is very introspective and sometimes, self-indulgent. Unfortunately, I have found that unless the context of the performance is explained, my viewing experience is limited to appreciating the movements and not any deeper.

krishnaa · Post by **krishnaa** » 14 Aug 2010, 21:58

Bjankumar,
really enjoyed watching those videos.

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 17 Aug 2010, 04:08

Shantala Shivalingappa from Paris. She is a very clean Kuchipudi dancer. Famous Kuchipudi dancers i have seen are very sloppy. But she is very clean and graceful at the same time. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuTXDrQ7 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDp5cDZz ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0-OuF2u ... playnext=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGIy6aYK ... re=related

ardhanariswar · Post by **ardhanariswar** » 18 Aug 2010, 04:54

How do you guys feel about this trikala jathi? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8-mTTMhYQc

I think its ~innovative and clever, but honesty, its difficult to keep up with. It lacks that sort of build up that a traditional trikala theermanam has. Not a fan of the nattuvanar's intonation either. And its a total mismatch with the sweetness of the pallavi line. The jathi is simply too aggressive in my opinion.

Thoughts?

madhan · Post by **madhan** » 18 Aug 2010, 06:00

ewwww... why is the nattuvanar reciting it like tht...! Ive seen ms.priyadarsini govind use this jathi for one of her varnams.! choreo looks like hers too!

KSDD · Post by **KSDD** » 18 Aug 2010, 17:42

Totally agree with you Ardhanariswar...the dancer is good, the coreography is excellent, but this jathi simply donÂ´t fit....

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 19 Aug 2010, 13:20

goes on to show
1.why female dance gurus should be careful when they want to be as impactful as a male nattuvanar in reciting jathis. the recitation is bothersome in it's desire to sound like a nattuvanar.
2. how what Priyadarshini govind and a lot of other famous dancers do needs a lot of aesthetic sensitivity and cant be blindly followed to give disastrous results.
3. and that an om-namah-shivayah chanting is more appropriate for something where the nayika is not asking the sakhi to ask the Lord to come but for something more like the nattukurinji varnam. How dance teachers loose the big picture of keeping rasanubhava intact in pursuit of latest (in this case PG's) trends.

ardhanariswar · Post by **ardhanariswar** » 20 Aug 2010, 10:35

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2FUtCJGdtU
Rupamu Joochi Varnam

I don't know if Shoba Narayanan has made an appearance in this thread before.
Footwork could be improved, but I love her precision and grace. Just check out the completeness of the theermanam adavu. Very good stage presence as well.

Here's another.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcNrz8KEKak
Nrityopaharam

I gotta admit, I kinda like the influence of her classical ballet training.

Bjankumar · Post by **Bjankumar** » 20 Aug 2010, 19:56

It feels as if the nattuvanar in the trikala jathi is trying be a little seductive loll, and i agree totally does not fit into a nayika based varnam.

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 21 Aug 2010, 11:52

@Bjankumar: Thats your idea of seductive??? I was scared for my heart...

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 21 Aug 2010, 11:59

@ Ardhanariswar: Heres another dancer who is trained in modern dance
Rukmini Vijayakumar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez0Y3pGcG4w (the audio is much faster than the video)

her dancing has improved a lot since this video. But again, maybe its wrong to compare based on a presentatino where she is only taking poses vs. a traditional margam where she is doing some adavus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn89QBYS8Ys

Shes remarkably fine in postures and acting though.

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 21 Aug 2010, 23:52

Melattur Bhagavata Mela:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNc6NLsvXls

ardhanariswar · Post by **ardhanariswar** » 22 Aug 2010, 02:02

Ohh Rukmini Vijayakumar is really good. Tanjore style I think. I actually got the chance to watch her Bharatanatyam performance at the Boston Conservatory before she graduated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_EJp1bU60k
Aniruddha Knight's performance at Kalakshetra courtesy of Nick (Tripmonk0). Can anyone tell me the ragam of this thillana and possibly who composed it?

madhan · Post by **madhan** » 22 Aug 2010, 02:39

Its the mandhaari thillana...! i think the composer is Ponniah Pillai (TQ)..!

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 23 Aug 2010, 07:22

anirudhdha knight at Kalakshetra!!! OMG!!! I know Leela Samson was opening up kalakshetra for everyone but....OMG!!!
1. He is always in Kurta Pajama. Even in a concert in my city, he was in Kurta Pajama. What on earth??
2. what on earth???

3. Seriously madhan? I dont think even people from old school will like this. Unless by old school u mean people who just manage to successfully stomp at the right mridangam cues. He even managed to loose himself in that one thing at 3.14 teermanam.
4. Someone please tell me he doesnt have a gajra (a strand of flowers) on his right hand.

You know, Anirudhdha earlier gave a speech whose link i posted earlier that everytime he sees Balammas tapes, he learns something new. Everytime i see his video, I notice something completely new that i didnt notice before too!

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 23 Aug 2010, 07:34

Pt. Chittaranjan Das

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50tdSi2rzT8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrehcqya ... re=channel

madhan · Post by **madhan** » 23 Aug 2010, 10:14

That is a flower bracelet or gajra as u call it..!

ksl · Post by **ksl** » 23 Aug 2010, 10:25

Do you know who wears flower bracelet in one hand with a kurta pajama?