Interactive Session,Sri.Trichy Sankaran, 6th Feb 2011

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Thank you for the reminder. I had had it in mind to get this directly from you via a USB cable, rather than via the internet, but have downloaded it anyway. As you say, doing it helps to keep the files current and online.

Feedback about the event itself? Delighted that it happened, due to the persistence of VKV and others. If I have a criticism, it would be that we heard too much from others. It was excellent, but might have been even more so if TS himself had, simply, been left to talk for two hours. Alternatively, we should, simply, have had two sessions, to accomplish the agenda that was planned. For me personally, it was a shame that the latter, more technical part of the presentation, and the dialogue with Sri Easwaran, was in Tamil --- but I have no right to ask otherwise.

Another word for feedback is "being wise after the event" --- I ask those involved to take any criticism very lightly :)

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Downloaded the videos.. had to struggle a bit to view DIVX format. Perhaps the salient portions of the interaction with 90% covering what Mr.Sankaran spoke and 10% of euologies could be uploaded on YouTube for a wider audience and improved viewing. Thanks again.
It is amazing how Mr. Sankaran's mridangam speaks...his lec dem in MA some years back was equally scintillating. Could someone post samples of his concerts illustrating his accompaniment skills which would then help us appreciate this maestro even more.
By the way I suppose Rasikas.org has enough "voice" to collect the submissions from rasikas who want the Academy title conferred on the maestro in 2011. You can set up a voting button system with comments.

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I don't think anyone or anything has that voice... outside the Academy committees themselves!
It is amazing how Mr. Sankaran's mridangam speaks
In class, I used to say, "When I play Na Tha Tha Dhin, it sounds like an excercise: when Guruji plays it, it sounds like music."

At one point, Sri TS played Mridangam Lesson Number One --- Tha Dhi Thom Nam --- and, wow... it was music!

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Nick H wrote:At one point, Sri TS played Mridangam Lesson Number One --- Tha Dhi Thom Nam --- and, wow... it was music!
Nick this is for you: One of my favorite dancers, Ms. Malavika Sarukkai, describing the very imaginative take on how these basic units of rhythm came into being...a composition of Sri Seetharama Sharma's - he imagines Siva's vigorous dancing dislodging one tiny bell from his anklets which streaks to the earth like a meteor, striking terror into the hearts of people, and how Siva agrees to come down to earth and absorb the impact - and as it strikes his head it makes the sound tat, then strikes his right shoulder creating the sound dhit, then his right thigh to the sound thom, and makes the sound nam as it falls harmlessly to the ground; and how these 4 basic sounds then go on to make the sound/syllables of the rest of the tALas!

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Ravi, Nice. Quite poetic.

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Very nice :)

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:)

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Such symmetry in the movements and presentation!
Ravi, thanks for the link.

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dear sri S.NAGESWARAN

Thanks for the wonderful efforts you have been taking, in particular about this meet. I was fortunate to be there too! My personal experience is that many people i am sure would have downloaded your links and may be they have not responded. That does not mean your effort has not been recognised. I am sure, being senior in this forum you will know this but i just thought of telling you that there are more silent observers than active participants and all of us are behind your efforts.

tkb

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Trichy Sankaran - the video from the interactive session

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I had promised Sri Nageswaran that I would pen my thoughts on the interactive event after watching the DVDs.

I finally have, so I am writing a few words.

To top it all off, I had the good fortune of interacting with the maestro himself. This essay, is not a review of the video. I would encourage all of you to watch it; it is beautifully produced, mixed and edited. These are just some of my thoughts on the genius of Trichy Sankaran (TS), anchored around the context of this video.

I would like to express my strongest words of appreciation to Sri VKV and Nageswaran for all their hard work in making this available to the global rasika community. And thanks to all those that made the event possible…


The maestro at home.

North York, Toronto. (Just a few blocks from York University.)

Sri Sankaran had asked me to come to his house on a Saturday afternoon in what turned out to be a lovely early spring day in Toronto. Dr Mohan Kumar, TS’s long term disciple opened the door. Sri Sankaran and his family were on the same flight going to India from Toronto a few months ago, both of us headed for the music season. We exchanged our round of niceties, spoke about long distance flight travel and we sat down in his living room with some wonderful south Indian coffee and fresh mulLu muruKku.

As a child in the 1970s, I first heard the name Trichy Sankaran, from my grandfather Kalpathi Ramanathan. He told me about this wizard that lived in Canada, one of the best accompanists that he had heard in his lifetime. I had never heard of Toronto or Canada or New York or London for that matter, but this only piqued my interest in this mythic personality named Sankaran. This comment from my grandfather is special for a couple of reasons.

First, my grandfather is from the “other” school. He was also very close in age to his guru, Palghat Mani Iyer. (Here is a little side story that describes their early musical relationship: http://www.palghatmaniiyer.org/1_27_V-S-Mani.html; must read for anyone with an interest in how music was taught in the 1920s by PMI).

Second, my grandfather was at least 30 + years senior to Sri Sankaran. Sri Kalpathi Ramanathan had accompanied Alathur Bros in 1938-39 at their very first music academy concert. Through the ‘40s he played with MSS, DKP and NCV. In the 1950s he became a staff artiste at All India Radio and here he accompanied pretty much every artiste who chose to sing into the can. The airwaves of AkashvAni, the commercial-free golden days. So, for him, a very senior vidwan, to speak so highly of Sankaran was incredible and I would dare say, unprecedented.

TS recalled his association with my grandfather and the first time that he had met him. It was in the 1950s at Krishna Gana Sabha, the very first Lalgudi solo concert in history. LGJ was to be accompanied by Pazhani and a very young Sankaran, a double mridangam affair. PMI was in attendance. Despite the heavy crowds and the stress of performing with his guru and in front of PMI, TS noticed that my grandfather had arrived in the audience. Although people were trying to seat him in the first row, Kalpathi refused to sit next to his guru as a sign of respect (he was used to only sitting on the floor when his guru was on a chair) and moved to the second row of cane chairs. Krishna Gana Sabha probably uses the same cane chairs they had in this period, although the venue might not have been on Griffiths road (now Maharajapuram Santhanam Salai) at the time. As soon as TS recalled this event, I felt terrible about sitting in the couch facing him, so I took for the earliest opportunity to gracefully seat myself on the floor.

Fast forward to Dec 21, 1980. The first concert of TS that I remember attending. My parents took me to a huge number of kutcheris in the 70s/early 80s, but somehow this is the one I remember best.

I was dying to see Sri Sankaran perform in the season, and my father managed to get Lalgudi sir to take us to a kutcheri at the academy. The hall was packed and Lalgudi sir had us ushered and seated in the press booth (not sure if it exists now) and I had a view of Sri Sankaran’s valanthalai from a distance of < 10ft. An equivalent seat at the Carnegie Hall would be worth my entire year’s salary.

The concert was spectacular. The combination of SSI-LGJ-TS was perhaps one of the most special in the history of modern Carnatic music. The music flowed that day was like the monsoon rain. SSI prodded, coaxed, teased and egged TS on. Of course, Lalgudi sir stole the show with his razor sharp responses and brilliant control over talam. The tani was, in classic TS style, breathtaking.

After the concert, Lalgudi sir introduced me to TS and said: this little boy wants to say something to you. I developed a nervous stutter and in my schoolboy exuberance I shook the maestro’s hand and managed to utter one word: “Brilliant”, a word I had just learned in school. TS, patted my shoulder and said, “how sweet of you”, an expression that he still uses today when he receives a compliment. In the video of the interactive session with rasikas.org, he used the same expression, with even the same facial gestures when Sri V. Subrahmaniam complimented him on his glorious career of accompanying the who’s who of the Carnatic world.

I have seen TS perform for 30+ years since that day. In Chennai, in Connecticut (my home for several years when I was in graduate school), in Cleveland and now Toronto. TS represents to me the very best that tradition, sAdhana and sheer hard work can do to the refinement of a skill. His open mind and the ability to see beauty in everything, including our conversation is what distinguishes him from most masters in this field. It is the same beauty that he found in the style of the “other” school; he openly spoke of his admiration of PMI and especially Sri Palghat Raghu. He owes his success to what he calls his two eyes, his guru and Sri Mani Iyer. However, he felt very strongly that experimenting with other styles, in the absence of a certain foundation can be dangerous to the development of the art.

TS has trained numerous American, Canadian and European musicians and many of them have gone on to do amazing things; just not visible to the Carnatic world. In the video, Sri Easwaran talks about how training such a diverse range of people requires unbelievable amounts of patience. It is this patience and a patent love for teaching that has kept TS going in the west, far away from his comfort zone in the Chennai music world.

Just an hour with him is enough to see why he is an award-winning lecturer/teacher. He is a recipient of the OCUFA teaching award, given to a handful of people in Ontario. I teach in the Ontario University system and I have served on committees that nominate these teaching heroes. Only the very best teachers I have encountered in my life have received this award. TS brings out the best of everything that he has learned from gurukulavasam and adapts it to train students with virtually no background in nadai, kanakku or kArvais. He has also helped with organizing the research careers of people like David Nelson (student of T Ranganathan) who put together an amazing thesis on five different styles of mridangam playing at UMass. I think Nick might have written a demo about David’s lec-dem at the academy.

Now, the video:

The video (available for download from this thread) captures every aspect of TS’s personality. Every little thing I noticed about his amazing personality in person, comes through in the video. His nascent sense of humor, his devotion to his guru, his respect for SSI, PMI and Lalgudi sir, his dedication to the art and propagating it in the west are all facets that shine through the screen and beam right at you in the video.

There are three parts to it. The first shows the gathering at Sastri hall in February with speeches by VV Sundaram and a video documentary on TS that was prepared when he received his honorary doctorate in Victoria, BC. There is a beautiful clip of TS and Harishankar (another legend) accompanying SSI/TNK performing paTTi viDuva rAdu in manjari. If you surf youtube for Carnatic videos like I do, you have probably already seen this clip.

But there is another gem: A rare recording of TS accompanying Higgins (with whom he started the Carnatic music dept in Toronto) singing swarams in Hamsadwani. TS is his usual, boisterous self with his child-like enthusiasm (to use Uday’s words) in accompanying both these musicians from completely different styles/modes of performance.

Following this in the video, TS spends a good bit of time talking about his association with his guru. It is full of wonderful anecdotes about his guru’s fondness for him, his arangetram playing for Alathur bros, the korvai that Pillai-vAL taught him at the beach and other stories about this golden period from 1955-1970.

A lovely interaction follows, where Sri V Subrahmaniam talks about SSI’s association with TS. Of course, the moment where VS asked him about why he left India at the peak of his career is an important one. TS answered the question very gracefully; and I, for one, am glad that he chose to move to the West. I don’t think the concert circuit has been impoverished by his absence; in fact his season concerts are just as sought after today as they were in 1969.

Karaikudi Subramaniam, another Connecticut PhD, spoke about his association with TS. For those of you that like collecting good music, there is a wonderful commercial release called SunAdA where Sri KS plays the veena to TS’s accompaniment. This is a lesson on how to accompany for the veenai. They way TS has embellished kritis like Sarasa sAma dAna or mayatita swaroopini is simply superb. KS spoke of TS’s accompanying style and he attributed his greatness to his deep listening and understanding of the grammar of both vocal and instrumental Carnatic music. The ability to imbibe the great qualities of senior vidwans (a very Lalgudi quality he notes) is also seen in the performances of TS.

Possibly the best part of the video was the interaction of Sri Mannargudi Easwaran with TS. Easwaran sir was making requests for the maestro like a “fan” requesting hit songs from a star. TS entertained every one of his requests. I saw the depth of the thoppi sowkyam and korvai amaippus as orchestrated by TS extemporaneously. There are so many worthwhile pieces written by people much smarter than I about the Pazhani school, the thoppi, the nadai development, the sound of the thom etc. (KS Kalidas has written quite extensively about the technical aspects of this for those interested), so I won't go into the details here.

But what is unusually special about the video is the way Sri MAE got answers out of Sankaran sir. So, Semmu, Rajumds, Uday, Nick and others who actually attended the event, I can only see what the live experience must have been like.

That said, the video is just delightful. For those of us that missed the Sastri Hall event, it is an opportunity to tap into and cross paths with the genius of TS. TS my hero.

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I left the TS household that afternoon with a smile that I could not hide. Driving away with the feeling that I briefly connected to a man, who represents a tradition that goes back to Dakshinamoorthy Pillai and Mamundia Pillai. It is a tiny fabric that takes us back in time to days of the invention of the kanjira, adaptation of tavil rhythms to mainstream accompaniment. A connection to an era when these giants roamed the earth…

endarO mahAnubhAvulu

(Please download the video. It will make Nageswaran very happy, even if you don’t do it not for the reasons I have given you here.)

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Mahavishnu - very eloquent....

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Thank you, that was splendid.

As an aside, I met David Nelson a couple of years back, having emailed with him a few years previously. I have a copy of his thesis. I knew he was in Chennai again this year, and I would have loved to, at least, see him play, but this was one of the many hoped-for December 2010 experiences that a gang of microbial thugs robbed me of.

The TS Interactive left me, above all, with the feeling of having met someone I had previously only seen play. Although I felt like a bit of a gatecrasher, I extended this a little by tagging along with Curtis, who I've known (thanks to this internet) for a few years now, for lunch with the family afterwards.

Curtis, in his closing remarks, made it very clear that, in Canada, TS's name is not just known to a minority group of largely-South-Asian-origin rasikas, but that he has made his mark with the musical community in general. Curtis is not just a student of mridangam, but also a multi-percussionist professional musician. As a pro, moving to a new city, and needing to establish himself, he found that his association with TS opened doors the widest.

It must be a great experience, being TS's student!

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Respected Admin and Moderators,

It would be better that the above topic is merged with the "INTERACTIVE SESSION WITH SRI TRICHY SANKARAN" TOPIC.

S.NAGESWARAN.

16.04.2011.

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mahavishnu
Thoroughly enjoyed your writing , it just had a great speed and flow ,just like the brilliant trichy sankaran. I am yet to see the video, I did pass a question or two to CACM by mail, not sure if that was relayed to TS.

On a side note , one question that i remembered asking was "How is that TS is maintaining touch with mrudangam when he left in 1969 to Canada and is still performing with such excellence as though he is playing throughout the year in mylapore?" . You may have asked this question indirectly or you may relay this question and post the answer.

Thanks for the write up

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Very nice writing, Mahavishnu! One of the most enjoyable pieces I've read here. Thank you very much.

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[quote="rajeshnat"]mahavishnu
Thoroughly enjoyed your writing , it just had a great speed and flow ,just like the brilliant trichy sankaran. I am yet to see the video, I did pass a question or two to CACM by mail, not sure if that was relayed to TS.

Dear Rajeshnsat,
If you have followed this thread over time S.Nageswaran he had informed every one how to unload the video session.PL CONTACT HIM IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. VKV(cacm)

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Mahavishnu: Enjoyed very much reading your write up. Thanks.

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Thank you everyone for the positive responses to the write-up.

Rajesh: Interesting question. How does he do all of this while living in Canada? What I understood from Sri Sankaran is that there is nothing compromised about his rigorous practice schedule and time spent on conceptualizing/thinking/analyzing/teaching music/instrument up-keep (very important for mridangists) because he lives away from Madras. He is also so academically involved in rhythm composition that he is constantly making up new moharas/korvais and refining old ones.

What I imagine that he does not get as much during 8 months of the year, is active kutcheri performances. This has not taken away from his brilliant ability to anticipate and match wit with today's top performers with the same adroitness with which he accompanied SSI, Alathur, MMI and all those amazing Lalgudi solos.

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Could it be possible that it is that very fact (no active kutcheri experience for 8 months of the year) that allows his playing to remain so fresh...a lack of the 'araicca puLi' syndrome, and enough time to internalize, polish, and edit everything so that every stroke he plays is burnished to perfection?

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Ravi, that is certainly a valid hypothesis. In TS's case, he draws upon the experience of the kutcheri platform that he has gained from the golden era. That combined with the freshness you mention and his asura sAdakam is probably the magic formula.

But as Uday mentioned in another thread, I have never seen TS give anything but his BEST. No matter who the main artiste is and whether or not they are having a bad day.

It could also be that playing a kutcheri a day might, in fact, be detrimental to performance. Before the global CM era, musicians performed sparingly through the year when they worked on teaching, scholarly activities, learning new kritis, composing/creative activities etc.

Another hypothesis is that excessive playing through the year leads to burn out and physical damage. Most pianists, violinists and even percussionists in the western classical world go through serious skeleto-muscular problems.

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Re: Interactive Session,Sri.Trichy Sankaran, 6th Feb 2011

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I just finished watching the videos of the Interactive Session with Sri. Trichy Sankaran. It was a great treat.
First, our thanks to Sri. Nageswaran and Sri. VKV for taking the initiative to organize and conduct the program.
It flowed very smoothly. Sri. VKV moved things along effortlessly. It seemed effortless but I know there was quite a bit
of planning that was done ahead of time that made this possible. And Sri. Nageswaran's comments at the beginning with the plaque presentation and the at the end expressing the general rasikas point of view were perfect bookends to this successful
program.

I thought I will share what I saw and experienced. This is not a review or a description of
everything that transpired during the program. This is just a small subset of the highlights. I strongly encourage
those who did not attend the program or those who have not watched the video to set aside a few hours and watch it.
I am sure a lot of you will "rewind" many segments and watch them again. They are that good. I definitely did.

As for the program itself, one thing that stands out is the high level of maturity and scholarship that was
evident in everyone who spoke,
whether it was about music or about reminiscences of the past. Everyone, without fail, spoke so well. Many times,
I felt like we are participating in a grand story telling session, many short stories all interconnected
with the common connecting thread being Sri. Sankaran. What else does one need to enjoy such a great program!

Of course, it was not just such entertainment, there was a lot of education as well with live demonstrations from
the grand laya master Sri. Sankaran himself. We get to learn about the Pudukottai bANi and what
its mudrAs are. Sri. Sankaran is a great communicator and teacher. He succinctly summarized so many points in clearly understandable manner.

There are so many highlights, I noted down only a few. I am putting them down here as markers, so others who
view them can look forward to them.. Most of these are my paraphrases and not necessarily exact quotes.

About Pudukkottai bANi: "It is in the Sol Combination and naDai calibration"..
Wow, what else one needs to say, so much is inherent in that short statement. He goes on to say that there are some visEsha mOrAs ( special morAs ) and unique kOrvais that provide the bANi mudhra in addition to the special uses of the left hand.
Kudos to the video person for the excellent close zoom work on the left side when Sri. Sankaran was demonstrating the idanthalai usages.

Advice to youngsters on how to successfully accompany in a concert: "learn what to play, what time to play, in what proportion to play and in what dynamics". This comes through a lot of attentive listening and practice. Do not play to the thala,play to the song which requires knowing the song at the level of detail on how the song goes and develops. Thani is the extension of the krithi and the bhAvam of the krithi needs to be maintained in the thani.

His advice to fellow mridangists and artists is spot on. He advices fellow percussionists to be 100% involved in the concert
throughout, pay attention to the alapana. Same advice to artists, do not focus your attention away from the percussionists
during the thani. If we, as artists on stage, are not focused 100% on the happenings on the stage, how can we expect the audience to do the same? He said that so nicely and politely and in a charming manner. What a great all around advice!

On the ocean that laya is: "adi thala has so many shapes".. That is a succinct statement, thought provoking one and complete at the same time.

On gurukula vasa: "It is self-discovery. You learn on the stage, Guru teaches you through the eyes by asking
you to join and play and when to stop without intruding the Guru's manodharma"

The beach kOrvai bit was quite humorous.

There were many other humorous moments that made the program so lively. One such anecdote is Sri. Sankaran's story about how he was the alarm clock for the neighborhood. If they hear "tha dee thum num" it is 4 A.M. ;)

Sri. Mannargudi Easwaran's speech and interaction with Sri. Sankararan was poignant, emotional, technical and humorous, all wrapped in one. And he does that so naturally.
Sri. Easwaran coaxes Sankaran to play a few patterns. It was a great treat to hear the solkattu by one
grand master and then to hear that being played by the other grand master, the guest of honor. That is something special.
The way Sri. Easwaran opened up and spoke freely added a different dimension to the program.
Our special thanks to Sri. Easwaran for his contribution to the program.

Another very special moment is to get to see Sri. Sankaran keeping thalam for the 1960 misra jampa thani. How I wish he continued that to completion. For lack of time he had to stop. We will cherish that forever.

There were many other notable moments...

Cleveland Sundaram summarized Sri. Sankaran's contribution by recalling the concert with Sri. Higgins and Sri. Shankar ( violin ). Given their diverse styles,
it was Sankaran who harnessed all that immense talent and brought a cohesion which made the concert work.
Sri. Sankaran's ability is to integrate his innate talent, what his guru taught him and what he had learned himself into an art form that he deploys on stage without overshadowing the main artist while revealing his individuality and above all contributing in a major way for a magnificent musical experience.

Brahadwani Subramanyam's quote of T.S. Elliot on tradition was quite apt. I looked it up and here is the link: http://www.bartleby.com/200/sw4.html
The take away message is tradition is not static. Tradition is kept fresh and alive by bringing in new ideas and weaving them into the existing fabric.

Curtis's remarks ( in that charming Newfoundland accent ) were quite poignant. Especially his relationship to
his guru as not just learning music but how Sri. Sankaran taught him how to carry on as a person and as an artist.

Sri. Sankaran's own recollection of how he first met his Guru was quite touching. You can sense in Sankaran's voice the immense respect he carries for his guru.
His recollection that M.S. Amma told him in Toronto that Sri. SSI misses him so much. It was quite moving to hear that story.

This interactive session with Sri. Sankaran is very enjoyable to watch. It is a great mixture of entertainment, education, humor and poignancy.

Thanks to everyone who participated. Our sincere thanks to Sri. Sankaran for his graciousness in agreeing to meet with us for this successful session.

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VK, thanks for your lovely and detailed summary. I especially agree with you about the "rewind and watch again" moments. The video is full of them, as you observed.


In the video, TS laments (in jest) about how no one gives mridangists chit requests, when they ask the main artiste for pallavis, tukkadas, thillanas etc.

I just returned from a concert here where Trichy Sankaran played with Papanasam Ashok Ramani, here in Toronto. Today, I gave him a chit and asked him to perform the Beach kOrvai. He beamed a smile when I gave it to him. And he obliged! He later told me after the concert that he was going to keep the request chit in his files :D

The kOrvai goes roughly like this:

Tha thaka joNU thAm tha thom tha, thaka joNu thAm tha thom tha,
thaka joNU thAm tha thOm, thAm tha thOm, thAm tha thOm,
thAm tha thOm, thAm tha thOm, thAm tha thOm,
thAm tha thAm tha thAm tha thAm tha thOm.

It is deceptively simple, but tantalizingly difficult. And beautiful in its symmetry of progression.
He also played a beautiful Pazhani style tisra nadai today.

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Thanks MV for the kOrvai documentation. It is great you sent out a chit to TS. Probably around the same time I was watching the video of that segment where TS was jokingly telling about the mridangists not getting any chits, you were giving him the chit for the beach kOrvai. Well done!

I am assuming, like many (or all ) other Korvais, this kOrvai will also have three lines with each line having a purvanga and uttaranga each of which is again split into three. Where will those demarcations be in this kOrvai. If you can somehow mark those off ( 18 total ), that will be useful.

Thanks.

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Re: Interactive Session,Sri.Trichy Sankaran, 6th Feb 2011

Post by mahavishnu »

Instead of annotating the korvai (which I or someone smarter can do later), I have just uploaded the section on this korvai to youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7PmBFL0KhU

It is unlisted, so there is no public access for this video (nor is it searchable), only people with this URL can access it. The full video can be downloaded from the link Sri Nageswaran has provided already.

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Re: Interactive Session,Sri.Trichy Sankaran, 6th Feb 2011

Post by vasanthakokilam »

Good idea MV. And equally good that you included the genesis of chit-sending for the beach korvai!!

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Re: Interactive Session,Sri.Trichy Sankaran, 6th Feb 2011

Post by Nick H »

Mahavishnu, can I have a clue please? :)

How many akshira is this korvais?

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Re: Interactive Session,Sri.Trichy Sankaran, 6th Feb 2011

Post by mahavishnu »

Nick, it is 64 aksharams (2 avartanams in 1 kalai adi talam, starting at samam).
The video has Sankaran sir demonstrating it with just the sollus :D

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Re: Interactive Session,Sri.Trichy Sankaran, 6th Feb 2011

Post by Nick H »

We must reside on different sides of the akshara/madra fence, as 2 avartanams in 1 kalai adi talam is, to me, 16 akshara ;) , but, with your added information, I'll take another look in the silence of the night.

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Re: Interactive Session,Sri.Trichy Sankaran, 6th Feb 2011

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mahavishnu wrote:Nick, it is 64 aksharams (2 avartanams in 1 kalai adi talam, starting at samam).
Am sure you must have meant 96 Aksharas and not 64, as this korvai is in thisra nadai and in thisram, 1 beat has 6 aksharas and 2 avarthanams in adhi thalam 1-kalai corelate to 16 beats and 96 aksharas...........

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Re: Interactive Session,Sri.Trichy Sankaran, 6th Feb 2011

Post by mahavishnu »

Semmu, you are absoulutely right. My oversight. Yes, it is in tisra nadai.

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Re: Interactive Session,Sri.Trichy Sankaran, 6th Feb 2011

Post by arunk »

A naiive question. I am having trouble counting either 64 or 96 with this:

I count as follows - I am sure it is wrong - where am I counting wrong?

Tha(2) thaka(4) joNU(4) thAm(2) tha(1) thom(2) tha,(2) thaka(2) joNu(2) thAm(2) tha(1) thom(2) tha,(2) = 28

thaka(2) joNU(2) thAm(2) tha(1) thOm,(3) thAm(2) tha(1) thOm,(3) thAm(2) tha(1) thOm,(3) = 22

thAm(2) tha(1) thOm,(3) thAm(2) tha(1) thOm,(3) thAm(2) tha(1) thOm,(3) = 18

thAm(2) tha(1) thAm(2) tha(1) thAm(2) tha(1) thAm(2) tha(1) thOm(2) = 14

I get 82.

Arun

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Re: Interactive Session,Sri.Trichy Sankaran, 6th Feb 2011

Post by mahavishnu »

Arun, there are kArvais in the middle. It will be easier if you just followed the korvai with the youtube clip that I posted. You will see how it spreads to two avartanams.

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Re: Interactive Session,Sri.Trichy Sankaran, 6th Feb 2011

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Well, I suppose I should start the revision of my counting exercises with something simpler, but I can't even get started --- and I have been cursing the photographer for just missing TS's right fingers from the frame! OK, we can see his left hand and his foot, but still...

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Re: Interactive Session,Sri.Trichy Sankaran, 6th Feb 2011

Post by S.NAGESWARAN »

Dear Rasikas,

The mail to Sri TRICHY SANKARAN from the U/S and his reply mail from Sri TRICHY SANKARAN is given below.

I am very happy that Sri Sankaran had moved with all the Rasikas freely and his humility towords the Rasikas is worthy to be emulated by all the

performing artists.

S.NAGESWARAN.
09.07.2011.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:12 AM, SUBRAMANIAN NAGESWARAN <[email protected]> wrote:

Dear Sri Trichy Sankaran,

I hope that you would have seen the feedback reports of the Rasikas
posted in our rasikas.org website about your excellent Interactive session
done by you on 06.02.2011.

The feedback comments from Sri Mahavishnu, Sri Vasanthakokilam, Sri Nick H and others.

Kindly find time to go through the reports and convey your reflections
through your E-Mail to me so that I can post your reply in our website.

Kindly inform me about your visit to Chennai for your grahapravesam of your
new house at Chennai.

S.NAGESWARAN.
16.06.2011.

Dear Sri Nageswaran:

Namaskaram. Sorry, it took me long to reply to your email. Hope all is well with you. Due to my hectic schedule, I could not write to you earlier.

Yes, I have seen the feedback of the rasikas. It is wonderful to see the response. As I wrote to you before, I had a good time meeing Sri Ramesh

from Hamilton. When you get a chance, please thank all the respondents on my behalf for their excellent comments on my Inter-active session

on Feb. 6th.

I will be coming to Madras in August only for two weeks and then back again in December. I will give you a call. Take care. Our best wishes to

you and your family.

With warm regards,
Trichy Sankaran

p.s. You may have seen this interview before. Here is the link:



http://chennaionline.com/tags/Trichy.col

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