Vijayanagari

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chetants
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Post by chetants »

Dear Rasikas,
Have any of you felt at any time that the famous AIR signal standyby tune by Lord Yehudi Mehuhin drew inspiration from or at least has a striking semblance to our own Vijayanagari ragam? I've gotten this idea several times especially when I listen to Sri MMI's raga alapana followed by TNK's response preceding his mind-blowing Vijayambike. Would love to know if someone else thought along my same lines..... :-)

kyiyer
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Post by kyiyer »

Isn't the Vijayambike with LGJ? There's half a concert I have - not sure of who was on the violin.

The package of alapana, violin, song and kalpanaswarams are simply mind-blowing.

I get stuck on to it for days - once I have heard it.

I have no idea about the AIR part you mention - the Vijayambike is enchanting, to be sure.

Cheers

bilahari
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Post by bilahari »

It's TNK on the violin, kyiyer.

chetants
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Post by chetants »

Thanks bilahari and kyiyer for responding. Maybe I am a makku :-( For those of you who would like to listen to the tune and draw some comparison between that and phrases in TNK's alapanai, here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97bpv2qdvu0&NR=1

chetants
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Post by chetants »

Forgot to add, listen to TNK's alapanai at around 06:00 and 06:05 min and again between 07:05 and 07:11 into the clip to see what I mean :-)

http://www.mediafire.com/?ctm9c43xj9z

vasanthakokilam
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Post by vasanthakokilam »

chetants: Interesting observation indeed.

The AIR signature tune is commonly thought of as Sivaranjani ( I think ).

If we go by Vijayanagari as S R2 G2 M2 P D2 S - S D2 P M2 G2 R2 S

Obviously uttaranga similarity and the partial purvanga similarity will bring them close in some prayogas when they cross quadrants : e.g P D2 S R2 G2, G2 R2 S D2 P region.
The signature tune probably wanders in this region more, hence the similarity you observed.
I am not good with swara identification, so hopefully what TNK plays corroborates what I have written above.
Even in Vijayambike we can sense the similarity in some places though the raga vijayanagari as a whole is quite diferent from Sivarajani. D2 P M2 G2 and G2 M2 P D2 makes a whole world of difference compared to D2 P G2 and G2 P D2.

The purvanga in isolation is a stretch but plausible. It is a bit of a dangerous business to stick my neck out on these raga lakshayam/lakshanam matters but let me try.

M2 G2 R2 S can sound similar to ( in the neighborhood but not the same as ) P G2 R2 S . The big jump from P to G2 ( 4 semitones ) and the subsequent small jump ( 1 semitone ) from G2 to R2 characterizes the pathos that is inherent in Sivaranjani. Instead of P if you use M2, it is smaller jump ( 3 semitones ) but M2 has its own way of inducing pathos. Try it a few times: P G2 and M G2 . Similar aesthetics.

To be sure, this reasoning for the purvanga above only works on the descent. On the Ascent, with S R2 G2 M2, it is hard to not sound like Ranjani ( not surprisingly ), you have to have S R2 G2 P to get that sivaranjani effect.

There is a raga hEmapriya S R2 G2 M2 D2 S - S D2 M2 G2 R2 S

It will be interesting to hear its aesthetics and melodic flavor on the descent compared to S D2 P G2 R2 S . In my initial straight note attempts, they are close but quite discernible. (Again the ascent is very much in the Ranjani camp which is to be expected )

mankuthimma
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Post by mankuthimma »

http://www.mediafire.com/?c9kb30z2we9j9le

listen to an elaborate vocal rendering that I picked up in my recent trip to some lesser known ( in music circles ) parts of Karnataka . In Hindusthani mode
Artist : Ashok Huggannanavar
fascinating stuff indeed

ganeshkant
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Post by ganeshkant »

I till now think the AIR's signature tune is Sivaranjani.Once MSG played it while replying to a ragamalika in a Maharajapuram Santhanam's concert.The crowd spontaneously cheered.I remember even Santhanam used to sing this tune in his Sivaranjani expositions.He might have been inspired by MSG.

kapali
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Post by kapali »

I think that the raga of A I R 's signature tune may be --------- misra sivaranjani

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