Vid.Sanjay Subramanyam-San Jose-CA. 0CT 25, 2009

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PUNARVASU
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Post by PUNARVASU »

Vid. Shri Sanjay Subramanyam-vocal
Vid. Varadarajan-violin
Vid.Neyveli Venkatesh-Mridangam.

The concert was for about 3 hrs. 45 minutes or so.
Here is the song list.
1.Varnam- tODi-aTa tALam-pallavi gOpalaiiyer(?)
2.vandE mAtaram enbOm-kEdAram-Adi-subramanya bhArathiyAr-(swaram)
3.nAdAdinamADu-janaranjani-m.chApu-tyAgaraja
(brief rAgam, neraval at 'talagu vaccina bAda',swaram)
4.enna rakshisO-shubhapantuvarALi-rUpakam-P.D
5.nAgagAndAri rAganutE-Adi-MSD.
6.tiruvaDicaraNam--Adi-GKB
(extensive AlApanai,neraval at 'aDuttu vanda ennai' swaram and tani)
7.vA vElavA-k.chApu-tAnarUpi-kOTIswara Iyer
8.tillai cidambaram allAmal-kApinArAyaNi-Adi-mArimuttAPiLLai
9.RTP-kApi-Adi- rAgamAlikA swarams in shivaranjani, hamIr kalyANi, and rAgeshrI)
pallavi- 'kuzhal inidu yAzh inidu enbar tam makkaL mazhaliccol kELAdavar'.
10.ninnaiYe rati enRu-bhAgEshrI-subhramanya bhAratiyAr.
11.tunbam nErgaiyil yAzh eDutthu-deEsh-Adi- bArati dAsan.
12.viruttam:
peRRa tAi tanai-sindhubhairavi
mARi ninRu-mOhanam
uppum karpUramum-behAg
innam oru talam-behAg-Adi- muttu tANDavar
13..paniyin vinduLi-tiruppugazh
14.mangaLam
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Post by rajeshnat »

9 out of 13 are thamizh, any reasons there for the thamizh overdose concert.not complaining, wow close to 3 hours and 45 minutes. ;)
8.tillai cidambaram allAmal-kApinArAyaNi-Adi-mArimutha piLLai

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Post by Lakshman »

tillai cidambaramE is by Marimutta Pillai
innam oru talam is by Muttu Tandavar

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Post by Svaapana »

11.tunbam nErgaiyil yAzh is by Bharathidasan set to music by MMD while tillai cidambaramE was set by Sri Calcutta Krishnamurthy (Sanjay's Guru)

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Post by raj-123 »

rajeshnat wrote:9 out of 13 are thamizh, any reasons there for the thamizh overdose concert.not complaining, wow close to 3 hours and 45 minutes. ;)
8.tillai cidambaram allAmal-kApinArAyaNi-Adi-mArimutha piLLai
I think Sanjay choses the songs depending on audience tastes. Rasikas are mostly Tamil and Telugu people. If you see the crowd, it is largely 50+ Tamil Brahmins in San Jose. Younger audiences are present, but definitely older generation is majority. Sanjay himself told in one of his podcasts, that Brahmins migrating to various places have given him opportunity to travel and present carnatic music. I truly wish carnatic music spreads to all cross sections of society and reaches everywhere. If you are in the SJ CET hall, you will know know if it is music season in cheanni or USA. Its almost like it is a single place.

Sanjay's parents were in front row of audience in San Jose, unassuming typical middle class get up. His was definitely a power packed performance. No interruptions, and continuous flow.

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Post by PUNARVASU »

Thanks, rajeshnat, Lakshmanji and svaapana. I have edited my post accordingly.

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Post by arasi »

Rajesh,
A mega-concert indeed, considering the length of the concert; mega in tamizh songs too. Then again, why are we so conscious of the number of songs in a particular language, only when they are in tamizh? Haven't tamizh songs been around for a very long time that telugu and sanskrit ones alone needn't be thought of as being suitable for a CM concert? I also wish that kannaDa and malayALam songs get featured more in our concerts.
Kuzhal inidu yAzh inidu is such a lovely line from tirukkuraL which Sanjay seems to have sung in nILamaNi too, according to a rasikAs review. A lovely couplet to repeat than say, gOvindanaDi, mukundanaDi! Lyrical pallavi lines--rather than namAvaLis and jAvaLi sounding ones add weight to the weighty pallavi medium and also make the repetition of the line very pleasing to the ears and mind.
Of course, when a performer plans a concert (some don't, but it turns out that way)--it is not the language of the song which he/she deliberates on. It's the rAga bhAvam, content and emotional impact of the song , tALa and other aspects as well which make the grade in that particular concert. In Sanjay's case, the textures in his choice of songs are also rich and varied. I cannot think of a concert of his where he just made a haphazard choice of songs which had no punch in them in their wholeness. Of course, not every concert for a musician can be a great one. Yet, in his concerts, you do not feel disappointed that there wasn't any variety or involvement in his singing. When I looked at the lists of songs that I have noted down in the past decade that I have been hearing him, I find the count and kinds of songs he has sung, to be impressive. Even when I have heard him repeat certain songs, one rendition is not like any other (i don't mean tukkaDAs). So, when it comes to intelligent choice of songs and a rich repertoire, Sanjay is right up there.
Good to hear that his parents were there. Sanjay's mother is so unassuming that but for the insistence of the organizers (my guess), she would have chosen a different place to sit :)

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Post by arasi »

Punarvasu,
Glad that you could go to the concert, now that you are visiting CA. Hope we can get to hear another nearly four hour concert in India too!

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Another comment, I made in a different thread. After song 10 or 11, I think Sanjay was planning to do mangalam, when a rasika raised hand for 2 more songs. He mentioned. Avan kathava satha wait pannaran, pointing to big security guard in uniform standing in near the gate. He is waiting to close the door :) Maybe the security guard also got mesmarized into hearing the music.

some rasikas were getting autographs on CD and he was doing that. There was a big charsur booth with all past music seasons CDs.
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My impressions on the concert:
Yes, the proud parents were there in one of the front rows and it was announced at the end of the concert. A
continuous , close to 4 hours of bliss.It was not one of the 'sara veDi' concerts, but a sedate, calming,serene 'kambi mattAppoo' type. Shri Sanjay is famous for singing tamizh songs with bhAvam and it was evident y'day. Except for an extensive AlApani preceding 'tiruvaDi caraNam' there were only a few brief ones in shubhapantivarALi(brief but brilliant)&. janaranjani.
The janaranjani kriti was new to me and I was intrigued by the caraNam lines-talaguvaccina bAda talapAgaku'- it reminded me of the saying in tamizh 'talaikku vandadu talaippAgaoyOdu pOyiRRu';
(I do not know if I have understood the words correctly)
somebody knowledgeable in telugu and the saint's kritis ,pl. enlighten me on this.Shri Sanjay did neraval here and sang swarams; it was as if he was cajoling the swarams.
The choice of shubahpantuvarAli rAgam for the PD padam was so apt, the AlApanai though brief was brilliant and set the mood for the sAhityam following-''enna rakshisO' -it was a plea, so to say and the accompaniments by the violinist and the mridangist was very good. A bHava-laden rendering.
'nAgagAndhArI rAganutE' was breezy, paving way for the elaborate kambhoji which followed. The AlApanai was for almost 18 minutes by the vocalist and of an appropriate length by the violinist.The neraval and the swaram were sung for the line'aDuttu vanda ennai';fantastic! I felt as if Shri Sanjay was seeing the swarams in front of him and was plucking them as if they were flowers and making a garland.
A tani followed this-may be of 10 minute duration; it was very good
The RTP was probably around 45 minutes the ragamalikaswaras by both the vocalist and violinist were very good -esp the rageshri- it reminded me of the thillANa(Lalgudi?).
THe other numbers post RTP were all in tamizh(of course most of them in the concert were in tamizh :) )
and were rendered with lot of feeling as always , in a Sanjay concert.
Shri Varadarajan and Shri Neyveli Venkatesh played very well-anusaraNaiyAna vAsippu- and it was a pleasure to watch them as a team.
For me , a soul satisfying concert.

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"talaguvaccina bAda talapAgaku'- Just a shot! Does it refer to the missed aim by Karna in the Mahabharatha war?

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Post by fuddyduddy »

Awesome song list as usual! Cant wait for his Pomona temple, NY concert on Nov 26th.

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Post by arasi »

Punarvasu,
The meaning is exactly that. However, T says he wished that the 'bAdhalu' would go away in that fashion, but that Rama has not kept the the promise he made to him a year ago that he would protect him.

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Post by mohan »

Serial list watchers closely analyse the songs in a concert to ensure that there is a mix of talas, shudha vs prati madhyama ragas, languages, composers, songs with and without swaras/alapanas. Hence, we end up hearing comments like:
‘he could have sung at least one Kannada song’
‘there were 4 songs in row in Adi tala’
‘the tillana was the only prati madhyama raga sung’
‘how could she not sing a Dikshitar kriti?’
'he rendered kalpana swaram for 3 songs in succession'
‘it would have been nice if he sang a vivadi raga’

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Post by rajeshnat »

Punarvasu
Recently in one of the reviews annamalai mentioned that the 13..paniyin vinduLi-tiruppugazh is in harikAmbOdhi . It was popularized by alathur brothers. You must be in my envy list of rasikas you travel long (I guess from mumbai) to hear a CM concert close to 3 hrs 45 minutes to sanjose.
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Post by PUNARVASU »

rajeshnat, true :); but I missed the VS-TMK duet in mumbai- :(
Yes, I think the thiruppugazh was in Harikaambhoji; am not sure of the tALam; tiruppugazhs have complicated tALams.
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Post by arasi »

Punarvasu,
Every year we travel many miles to listen to concerts, but I have to admit we haven't heard one for as long as you have, last weekend. Any good concert which goes beyond the three hour mark makes me happy. The RTP is there too, of course.

Rajesh,
I have heard Sanjay sing nADADina mATa before and that time the AlApane was what caught my fancy. Hadn't heard the song before nor a detailed AlApane in janaranjani.

Mohan,
You are right. Even when the content of a concert bowls you over, you hear complaints. To satisfy such people, a five hour concert might be the answer!
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Punarvasu wrote: Yes, I think the thiruppugazh was in Harikaambhoji; am not sure of the tALam; tiruppugazhs have complicated tALams.
Punarvasu , the thAlam for " paniyin vinduli polave " is kanda jAthi dhruva thAlam , with eduppu of 6 beats after samam..

Arvind..

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arasi, in that aspect, we ,mumbaiites are lucky; a concert lasting more than 31/2 hrs is a norm here rather than an exception;most of the concerts in BRR Sabha at Anushaktinagar extend beyond 31/2 hrs, some have gone a little over 4hrs also; many a time myself and my friend had to walk 20 minutes in search of an autorikshaw.Even in the Chembur Fine Arts we have concerts lasting more than 3 hours; on spl. occassions the concerts are announced for 4 hrs , like on Aust 15th etc.
semmu 86, thanks for the info.
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Arvind, with kanda jAthi dhruva thAlam for this thiruppugazh, 5+2+5+5,

1) eduppu of 6 beats means it starts into second beat of drutham or 6 sub-beats into the first laghu

2) This is just a tangential question: In Druva thalam, where does the arudhi fall normally? I realize thiruppugazh may not comply by the arudhi principle, so it is a general curiosity.
I try to figure out the eduppu with the aid of the arudi like emphasis/stress point and I am curious if that would have helped in this case.

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Post by shripathi_g »

The concert was a wonderful experience as others have mentioned. I felt that Sanjay's voice was a little rough in the first two songs but as the concert progressed it got better and better. The Janaranjani was sublime and had the right pidis. To me, the benchmark for Janaranjani is S.Balachander's 30-minute rendition of Vidajalathura and Sanjay's rendition came quite close to matching it. The highlight of the concert for me though was Subhapanthuvarali. I was very tired due to lack of sleep and the natural pathos in the raga along with beautiful karvais struck a chord with me. I was expecting Ennalu urage but the Purandaradasa krithi made it even better. I'm completely addicted to it now. :-)

My wife, who has listened to more Carnatic music in our first month of marriage than in her entire life, wanted to listen to some Kambodhi on Saturday and I entertained her request by playing MMI's Ma Janaki ( that first got me addicted to CM ), TNS' O Rangasayee and Sanjay's Koniyadina. As I was listening to Koniyadina, I remarked to her that Sanjay would probably sing Rasa vilasa in Kambodhi tomorrow. Both his Kambodhis at the Academy, Koniyadina in 2003 and Rasa Vilasa in 2008 are amongst my top Kambodhi favorites. The Kambodhi here was different from the other two but wholesome at the same time. Varadarajan's reply was measured but captured the entire gamut of the raga. Sanjay's rendition of Thiruvadi charanam was closer to Musiri's version than MMI's. It was nice to listen to a different version of the same krithi and also this version fit the mood better. The neraval and swaras as usual were top-notch.

I was listening to the Tanarupi krithi for the first time and managed to recognize the raga ( using the scale ) despite not having listened to the raga before. This is a personal victory since I usually detect ragas using phrases. :-) Just when I was getting a little concerned when he sang Thillai chidambarame that there would be no RTP, he started on a glorious Kapi with an awesome response by Varadarajan. I felt that the Tanam was a bit flat though some of Varadarajan's responses were good. The pallavi and the ragamalika swaras were rendered very well and so were the thukkadas. Will post some clips as soon as I get the ftp issues with Sangeethapriya figured out.

Side-note:
On the first month anniversary of our wedding, I decided to take my wife to her first CM concert. After briefing her the whole day on what to expect in a concert, I rushed her into getting ready early to avoid parking issues. I also had to print out the ticket at the last minute. We rushed to the concert hall only to find it empty. We had gone a day earlier. :-|. Unfortunately, she couldn't make it to the concert yesterday since she was on call. Guess her first concert experience will have to wait.

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Shripathi
I was expecting you to attend this concert that too with calmbOdhi as main, this tiruvadi many musicians sing it little more like musiri nowadays(I have noticed many like GAyathri Venkat, Suryaprakash and Sanjay have done that before). In a way it is good as kApi RTP needs that extra hot thrust.

Best wishes in your journey to carnatic bliss with your wife. ABout going to concerts a day before , few times I have done that wherein not reading the hindu engagement where it would have said tomorrow thinking it is today, I would have gone to a concert 24 hours early ;) .

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Post by bilahari »

Congratulations, Shripathi, on your marriage and best wishes to both of you for a long and happy married life!

Sanjay sang this janaranjani krithi in San Diego last year with elaborate R,N,S. It was excellent - particularly the neraval.

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Post by shripathi_g »

Thanks Rajesh and Bilahari. Here are a few excerpts from the concert:

[Sorry folks! We can't allow this
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shripathi_g... Can you put up the "Ninnaye rathi endru" if you have it? Many thanks.

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Here you go -
[and this too!] ..mod

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Sorry to be a party-pooper, but is this permitted as per forum guidelines?

The rules: http://rasikas.org/forums/rules.html

See #2.
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I'm not sure. If it's not allowed, I'll remove it.

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Remove everything shripathi_g . Prashant can also unquote his quote. Let us not take any risk. High profile artist, let rasikas.org not be a mirror image of sangeethapriya.

Just like how shri nageshwaran does,one can explicitly state that he/she has got permission and then possibly upload it. Still even this is a moderator's call (I dont want to make final call)

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shripathi_g wrote: Side-note:
On the first month anniversary of our wedding, I decided to take my wife to her first CM concert. After briefing her the whole day on what to expect in a concert, I rushed her into getting ready early to avoid parking issues. I also had to print out the ticket at the last minute. We rushed to the concert hall only to find it empty. We had gone a day earlier. :-|. Unfortunately, she couldn't make it to the concert yesterday since she was on call. Guess her first concert experience will have to wait.
Oh..thats soo sad :( :( :(
Well there is always next time...or you could overdoes her with music by taking her to the season :)

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Post by sureshvv »

I'll be darned... that really was Bagheshree.. He sang the same in Patdeep for KGS which sounded ultimate awesome.

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prashant wrote:Sorry to be a party-pooper, but is this permitted as per forum guidelines?

The rules: http://rasikas.org/forums/rules.html

See #2.
Haha thats why i quickly downloaded everything...incase they get taken down :P

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vasanthakokilam wrote:Arvind, with kanda jAthi dhruva thAlam for this thiruppugazh, 5+2+5+5,

1) eduppu of 6 beats means it starts into second beat of drutham or 6 sub-beats into the first laghu

2) This is just a tangential question: In Druva thalam, where does the arudhi fall normally? I realize thiruppugazh may not comply by the arudhi principle, so it is a general curiosity.
I try to figure out the eduppu with the aid of the arudi like emphasis/stress point and I am curious if that would have helped in this case.
VK , you are spot on.. yes the thiruppugazh indeed starts in the second beat of the drutham or to put it more simply , the seventh beat . Yes , the thiruppugazh does not follow the arudhi principle , and mrudangam artistes usually will play an arudhi such that , it finishes with laghu coming after the drutham . .

If you have a copy of trichy sankaran sir's interview ( he was interviewed by sri.b.m.sundaram for AIR ) , do listen to it , and sankaran sir would have recited a mohrA in exactly the same eduppu , citing the same thiruppugazh as an example ( you will then get a clear idea as how the arudhi principle gets followed in this thiruppugazh ). I also heard him play that mohrA live earlier this year at rAgasudhA , when accompanying sri.Chengalpet Ranganathan in an exclusive thiruppugazh concert..

Arvind..
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Shripathi - Congratulations!! I am sure you will have tons of opportunities for making live-concert date!

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Sripathi,
Congratulations! Wishing you many many concerts in the company of your beloved!

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Thanks rshankar and arasi! :-)

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good thing i lurk around here often...got the recordings before the mod removed them yaayy! :)

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Rasika911 wrote:good thing i lurk around here often...got the recordings before the mod removed them yaayy! :)
Good for you...

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

Thanks Arvind for the info. So if there is an RTP in kanda jathi druva thala, the arudhi would be on the start of the second laghu or on the start of the drutham? Thanks.

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I do not understand what is meant by our forum not being a mirror site like sangeethapriya. Both these sites are like chalk and cheese and here only musical discussions take place and there only uploads.
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Punarvasu tks fr the review of SAnjays concert. even though most of the songs rendered were in Tamil.it doesnt matter. it is the quality we have to take in to account. i have heard him taking subhabandhuvarali for RTP in Chennai 4 Years back.there is a word in Tamil PUGUNDHU VILAIYADU VADHU ENDRU.thats what he did with that Raga.we didnt feel like leaving the auditorium at all . it was rining in our years for a long time. THAT IS SANJAY.

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